Aragon, I will try to dig it up from my files by friday nite for you. Check back then if you will ; )
Deal. Also, kick ass for you on doing the heavy lifts ala Louie Simmons in the off-season. I just finished similar work (although not WSB template) with an older 64 yr old gent who does endurance cycling for fun…First week back was last week and he was SHOCKED at how much better his legs were at biking :). Glad somebody else gets it too… occasionally I think I might be the only one even though I know others here are sharp. Not many in my small community do lol
who even cares about a chart like that??? you should be in top shape from your grade school high school college days and today… a year after college, or 40 years after college, you shpould get and then stay in shape…
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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Believing that either method is the be-all-end-all would be a mistake.
I will say though that the majority of competitive bodybuilders prefer lower intensity longer duration cardio during their contest prep, and they are among the (if not THE) leanest athletes out there as a population. In fairness to high intensity cardio though, they are also eating a SUPER strict clean calorie restricted diet, and are engaging in intense resistance training 4-6 days a week.
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Also I would like to point out that the kind of weight training many bodybuilders use during contest prep is, in itself, very similar to HIIT–lactic acid training with incomplete rest periods. While I do not believe the same will hold true for say…bicep curls…nobody can tell me that leg supersets with no rest do not constitute HIIT style training. If you do, I will respond that you have obviously never trained with enough intensity to squat properly :). All one needs to do is look at the kind of training Tate and Meadows get into on their Saturday leg-fests. The work:rest ratio is definitely high enough to qualify as is the proportional amount of muscle mass in action during work periods.
So, in essence, many bodybuilders are already doing HIIT style work during their weight training regimens in contest prep. Viewed from this angle I can say it is much less surprising that many prefer low intensity cardio.[/quote]
Good point.
[quote]spk wrote:
who even cares about a chart like that??? you should be in top shape from your grade school high school college days and today… a year after college, or 40 years after college, you shpould get and then stay in shape…[/quote]
Conrad Anker and Alex Lowe where arguably americas greatest Alpinist/mounteering duo. During a slide show I was fortunate enough to attend prior to Alex’s death, the question was asked:
“What is the best way to get in shape?” To which Conrad quickly answered “Dont get out of it in the first place!” Brilliant !
Conrad for the record is known for doing 100 pushups/100 dips and 100 crunches right out of the sleeping bag Reguardless of the Altitude ! that is some bad ass shit at 25,000 Feet !
He has a good point. It is easier to Maintain excellence then to try to always play catch-up with it.
thats what my post said. start getting fit at an early age. then stay there… so simple…
wow!! where do you do dips at 25,000 feet?
In the high mountains, you just find a rock(s) large enough to do the equivalent of bench dips or if close enough together regular dips ! either way it is pretty damned impressive ; )
Those who are committed enough will find the ways and means…
Aragorn, I was still unable to find the study on why one would do their Power workouts before their endurance training. I
I do believe that it had to do with how the body responds during the krebs/citric acid cycle and the bodies ability to only put out so much ATP during Anaerobic workouts compared to the amount that is being produced during Aerobic conditioning.
If someone would please chime in on this one for me it would help !
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Aragorn, I was still unable to find the study on why one would do their Power workouts before their endurance training. I
I do believe that it had to do with how the body responds during the krebs/citric acid cycle and the bodies ability to only put out so much ATP during Anaerobic workouts compared to the amount that is being produced during Aerobic conditioning.
If someone would please chime in on this one for me it would help ![/quote]
Sorry, don’t have any studies to cite off hand, but the reasoning behind doing power work before aerobic work is that you want your body to use it’s stored ATP (ATP-CP system) and glycogen stores for the high intensity work. So putting the power work first makes sense. Also, because the body’s metabolic rate is raised post intense exercise (and will already be running the Kreb’s cycle at an elevated rate) one will become aerobic more quickly during their SS endurance work IME.
Placing the endurance work first would burn through some of the body’s stored ATP and glycogen (since it will always tap into these first while the Kreb’s cycle warms-up/kicks into gear), hence why you always feel out of breath and like you are “out of shape” during the early stages of endurance work. This will in turn lead to decreased performance on the subsequent power work.
Building off of what some guys have already been stating, I always thought doing HIT via sprinting etc and following that up with some steady state would combine benefits of both. I remember an article I think by lowry, or could have been a fatloss round table where he compared ss vs hit. He said Hit was good for post exercise calorie burn, and steady state did a great job of RELEASING fatty acids into the blood stream but did little in the way of burning them.
So it makes sense to me to perform HIT, and follow that with steady state. You’ll be burning fatty acids from HIT, and using steady state to release them.
there ya go…thanks for the additional input ! I really wish I could have found those damned studies…