I personally can’t attest to the 36 hour concept but what I will say with the fasting protocols is that most people generally stay around a 24 hour period maybe once a week, the 36 hour is one I’ll have to research to give you a better answer. Also, even though it may be without food, practitioners will normally have ingested BCAA’s and water to try and spare muscle loss as well as combat hunger.
The 36-Hour fasting protocol actually has about 400 calories in it from the MAG-10 and Power Drive, so it’s not really “fasted.” On that subject, I have done the 36-hour protocol a few times and really like it. I will be doing it again starting next week actually. I have done it and done 30 minutes of SS cardio a bit more difficult than walking, but by no means my max-effort, on an elliptical and during those two weeks, my fat loss was WAY higher, didn’t lose muscle, and I wasn’t even lifting weights at this time. I did take in AMIGOS during the cardio and made sure the cardio came shortly after a Pulse.
I wouldn’t do HIIT personally as I know how hungry and drained I get after HIIT as I push myself to the max and I was WAY more drained and hungry after the SS cardio. Kind of follow along with PB Andy on this, but I wouldn’t be concerned in pushing yourself a little more than walking if you are actively doing cardio.
EDIT: Also, I will be referring to Aminos are Amigos from now on. I like this. They are my friends and I never forget them for my workouts. If I could only get one supplement, I’d buy Amigos.
If you read some research by Layne Norton, he has completely debunked the ‘fasted cardio burns more fat/calroies’ myth.
Personally, if it’s easier for you to do it in the morning and it happens to be fasted, it’s not the end of the world, but I think you’d get better results, especially with HIIT, doing it with food in you.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
If you read some research by Layne Norton, he has completely debunked the ‘fasted cardio burns more fat/calroies’ myth.
Personally, if it’s easier for you to do it in the morning and it happens to be fasted, it’s not the end of the world, but I think you’d get better results, especially with HIIT, doing it with food in you. [/quote]
Have you got a link? I would love to read that.
[quote]Razamataz wrote:
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
If you read some research by Layne Norton, he has completely debunked the ‘fasted cardio burns more fat/calroies’ myth.
Personally, if it’s easier for you to do it in the morning and it happens to be fasted, it’s not the end of the world, but I think you’d get better results, especially with HIIT, doing it with food in you. [/quote]
Have you got a link? I would love to read that.[/quote]
I don’t have the link handy, but I read the study when it came out, and it made a hell of a lot of sense. I will note that I have read many authors whom I respect postulating about heightened insulin sensitivity throughout the day due to morning cardio bouts, which is the reason I will still include (and have my clients include) short sessions when necessary, just not completely fasted.
(for the record, I seriously doubt short steady state cardio sessions are going to really cause any noticeable muscle loss, people just always seem to enjoy obsessing about tiny details.)
S
Did fasted HIIT (stationary bike) for about 5 months once and on a low-carb (< 60 g) and hypocaloric diet, to boot.
Results:
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a lot of fat loss
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a lot of fat loss practically everywhere but in the lower ab area
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quads blew up big time
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my endurance had improved a lot
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might indicate elevated cortisol levels
I’m pretty sure I could’ve made better by upping my carbs.
Like ebombs said, I go with Layne’s principles as he has debunked this many many times.
Also, my HIIT routine is so intense I don’t think there is no way I would, or even could, do it fasted.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Razamataz wrote:
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
If you read some research by Layne Norton, he has completely debunked the ‘fasted cardio burns more fat/calroies’ myth.
Personally, if it’s easier for you to do it in the morning and it happens to be fasted, it’s not the end of the world, but I think you’d get better results, especially with HIIT, doing it with food in you. [/quote]
Have you got a link? I would love to read that.[/quote]
I don’t have the link handy, but I read the study when it came out, and it made a hell of a lot of sense. I will note that I have read many authors whom I respect postulating about heightened insulin sensitivity throughout the day due to morning cardio bouts, which is the reason I will still include (and have my clients include) short sessions when necessary, just not completely fasted.
(for the record, I seriously doubt short steady state cardio sessions are going to really cause any noticeable muscle loss, people just always seem to enjoy obsessing about tiny details.)
S[/quote]
Thanks for the response, Stu. If you don’t mind my asking, what do you have eat before your morning sessions if they’re not completely fasted? BCAAs?
I have a custom mix I had made of BCAAs, and glutamine that I just scoop into my mouth before I take the dog out. Then I get back, pop in a DVD, crank the treadmill to a good incline, and walk my way towards shredded glutes 
S
Cool. Thanks.