Fasted Cardio or Not!!

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

I think it would depend on the type of cardio. I mean how many calories do you guys think you can burn before the body starts breaking up muscle too?

I like to run for my cardio and in about 25 mins I’ll burn around 340 calories(1 mile x 110 cal). It’s about 60% of my vo2 max pace. That seems like a lot of calories; theres no way that muscle will not be broken down.

What makes you think this? 340 calories is less than 3 tablespoons of olive oil and a fraction of a pound of stored fat. How is that “a lot” of calories? In an already decently conditioned individual who’s body is trained to efficiently utilize energy I doubt if any appreciable amount of muscle at all will be burned in 30 minutes of moderate intensity exercise unless they are VERY lean and or glycogen/glucose depleted.

Also I was referring to a fat adapted metabolism wherein lipids and not glucose are the primary fuel. Nothing in the blood, or liver?.. no problem look at this several thousand calories(at the very least) of stored fat I have to use, especially when my entire endocrine system has been “reprogrammed” to burn fat by preference anyway. [/quote]

What I meant to say was, you burn more calories running for roughly 30 minutes than compared to stationary biking, elliptical, and steps.

Now I just don’t think 67% of those calories can be fat when running because of so many calories being burned. I mean how many calories do you burn when doing your specified cardio session?

It’s not a lot in terms but lets say I wake up to run 3 miles a day, which 330 calories at 221.1 calories of fat at 67%. Now in 15.82 or roughly 16 days if I eat maintenance calories and lift a regular 3x8 set to maintain muscle. I would have lost 1lb of pure fat theoretically. At 150lbs at 5% body fat thats 7.5lbs of fat.

Now at 149lbs with 6.5lbs of fat thats 4.4% body fat. Thats almost a 1% body fat drop in 2 weeks without dieting or cutting, just running 3 miles a day in the morning, nice and easy. Now that is just a little too hard to believe.

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I’ve done all my working out- cardio AND lifting first thing in the morning with only water in my stomach for two years, and I’ve also made the best gains in this time period. Whether this is due to my fasted state or my better workout execution, i don’t know.

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[quote]monteitis wrote:
I’ve done all my working out- cardio AND lifting first thing in the morning with only water in my stomach for two years, and I’ve also made the best gains in this time period. Whether this is due to my fasted state or my better workout execution, i don’t know.[/quote]

I think you’d notice a strong increase in exercise performance if you drank a carb-drink during training. Start drinking it before you hit the gym and keep drinking it 'til a little after you leave the gym.

Something like gatorade or powerade in terms of its sugar content. Sometimes I make my own sugar drink before the gym: 1/4 cup of sugar to 1 litre of water. But half the litre is actually freshly brewed tea with lemon, and then I add some ice to call it all down before hitting the gym. I’ll drink two litres of this stuff at the gym during a workout of approximately two hours. Oh, don’t forget the pinch of salt to each litre of iced training tea.

Start drinking carbs all around training time and you’ll notice a difference. I promise you that.