Fast Food for Mass

[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
My college phys. ed. coach told us that one big mac has as much salt as 50 quarter bags of lay’s potatoe chips. Is this the kind of stuff you really want in your body ?[/quote]

do you just get things spoonfed to you or do you ever question what people say? doesnt 50 bags of lays potatoe chips to 1 big mac seem a little unrealistic? a big mac contains 1080 mg’s of sodium, a serving of Lays potato chips contain 150 mgs of sodium…150x50= 7500…not quite the same as a Big Mac.

[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/oreo.htm

One of my favorite articles.[/quote]

funny article. funnier since he went on the GSD and ate good foods, he looked even more JACKED!

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
My college phys. ed. coach told us that one big mac has as much salt as 50 quarter bags of lay’s potatoe chips. Is this the kind of stuff you really want in your body ?

do you just get things spoonfed to you or do you ever question what people say? doesnt 50 bags of lays potatoe chips to 1 big mac seem a little unrealistic? a big mac contains 1080 mg’s of sodium, a serving of Lays potato chips contain 150 mgs of sodium…150x50= 7500…not quite the same as a Big Mac.

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He made me a little unsure when he called it a “bigmac-doublecheeseburger”, but the fact is 1080 mg’s of salt is alot of salt. Im sure if you added up 3 quad stackers then your talking 50 bags of lays.

[quote]Wimpy wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Ay yes, because coaches and teachers are notorious for knowing what their talking about.

Read some of Scott Abel’s stuff about sodium, as well as others.

This is somewhat paradoxical to me. You tell him to ignore coaches and teachers and instead to listen to somebody who (as far as I can tell) has zero scientific background and writes articles for an online magazine which contain zero scientific references to the claims he makes.

As far as I can tell from his website he graduated from university with a degree in sociology. [/quote]

He is the most recent one that came to mind, but if you’d like I’ll be happy to find some more info about it.

I never said the others didn’t know shit, I said they weren’t the end all be all. I suppose if I said fat was good for you, you would argue that now I am just parroting because the medical community argues otherwise?..

BrB, I’ll go find some sodium info.

I will clarify that I meant for athletes who sweat alot and often, which anyone on this site SHOULD be doing, (course that is up for debate after the many people who said they don’t even lift in the “who here really trains thread” a while back).

Sweating athletes NEED to replenish their sodium.

intensemuscle.com/29655-sodium-glycogen-replenishment
-pwo-shake.html?highlight=sodium+replenishment

Here’s a short thread about sodium and glycogen replenishment.

Are they a bunch of PHD’s or geniuses? Nope, but they are some pretty damn good looking bodybuilders.

I will also mention that Scott Abel rarely makes outrageous claims and as far as I know he’s not selling any sodium products nor his ideas.

These are the types of things I take into consideration when I read many things.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
wow machines arent supposed to be harder lol. the dead-squat…what an evil fuck.

yea i was being sarcastic.[/quote]

  1. I figured you were being sarcastic, but I had to make absolutely sure. Nothing personal.

  2. What the FUCK!? That is the most insane contraption I have ever beheld. Awesome. Such a badass name, too.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Are they a bunch of PHD’s or geniuses? Nope, but they are some pretty damn good looking bodybuilders.[/quote]

Exactly. Story: When my brother was in the hospital with kidney/gallbladder/liver problems (what a sick bastard, but I’m glad he’s pretty much 100% now), the doctor told him that too much protein intake caused the majority of his problems. He then advised him to not drink protein shakes ever again. Now, my brother, who is going to college to play D3 football, was more or less heartbroken by this (given the vital role whey and casein protein plays in his nutritional supplementation scheme).

As the doctor was leaving, I told Paul not to worry, that the doc didn’t know what he was talking about (just loud enough so he’d hear). The doc turn himself around and asked me to explain myself, since I “knew so much.” I said it was simple, that since my brother was on heavy intravenous medicine for about two months, his kidneys had been overworked to the point that they were no longer able to function correctly. I also said that proteinuria (protein in urine, which SHOULDN’T happen) is a sign of a kidney problem, not a problem in and of itself.

I concluded by saying that Paul’s “excessive intake” was actually a Godsend, considering the fact that without the proteinuria, we would’ve never found the problem in the first place.

Long story short, the doctor didn’t say I was wrong but he didn’t say I was right. My parents, both of whom are RNs, were quite impressed. The moral: your degree doesn’t mean you know it all, it just means you know enough.

Now, back to sodium specifically. I agree (though it’s not about agreement, it’s a fact through and through) that someone who sweats a lot needs to replenish their sodium levels. I didn’t read your link, and I will when I’m finished writing this, but 1800mg at once (possibly x3)? All I’m saying is everything in moderation, and a possible 5400mg of sodium in a night is A LOT. Then again, like we’ve concluded, it depends on how much you sweat, etc.

That is alot at once, however, read around a many a lifting coach will say the average athlete under 200 lbs should get about 6g of sodium and about 8liters of water per day, given they are training hard.

My real point was just to explain why I said to read in other when earlier in the read I said authors aren’t the end all be all. Which again, they aren’t.

I personally don’t give a shit what he does with his sodium, I was just stating my opinion on the matter which is that unless you have pre-existing conditions, you really shouldn’t worry about you sodium intake provided you are sweating alot and drinking alot of water.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
That is alot at once, however, read around a many a lifting coach will say the average athlete under 200 lbs should get about 6g of sodium and about 8liters of water per day, given they are training hard.[/quote]

Yeah, it is a lot at once, even 1800mg. Ideally consumption would be relatively spread out throughout the day, but whatever. And sure, I can understand those numbers. It makes sense if you’re sweating and depleting your electrolyte levels; you obviously need to bring them up. I guess optimum sodium intake is really dependent on your workout/exercise regimen.

We agree. Simple as that.

Once again, agreed. Like you said, it’s not a big deal if you’re adequately hydrated (relative to your lifestyle). Really, if there was an “equation” for sodium intake, it would be… sodium:hydration :: hydration:lifestyle. Which, regardless of science, seems about right (it’s exactly what you said, just “mathy”). I just think that the relatively large amounts of sodium should be spread out throughout the course of the day so as to ensure a proper balance with hydration.

Yep.

thats pretty cool you made a doctor look dumb.

anyway i dont know if i sweat the precise amount to need 1080 mgs of salt x3 or whatever. most my other foods arent salty anyway. but honestly, i dont care. its working for me and thats whats important. theres so many things wrong with people these days, taking in too much sodium by a couple hundred mgs is last of my worries. i care about taking in adequate nutrients to override my metabolism and provide growth, thats really it. overthinking and overanalyzing everything seems to be the culprit for most people doing nothing…like analyziation-paralyzation or something like that. if everyone just ate and lifted, didnt care so much about miniscule things the world be a better place…and theyd make doorways wider too.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
anyway i dont know if i sweat the precise amount to need 1080 mgs of salt x3 or whatever. most my other foods arent salty anyway. but honestly, i dont care. its working for me and thats whats important…i care about taking in adequate nutrients to override my metabolism and provide growth, thats really it.[/quote]

Well then there ya go. LIke GetSwole and I were saying, as long as everything else in your diet is spot on (sounds like it is) and you’re hydrated enough, the sodium shouldn’t be a real problem. So, sounds like you’ve got it, more or less.

[quote]GetSwole wrote:

Its just that more and more and more there is too much article parroting on here.

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The irony in this statement is hilarious. Here you are, saying that someone is parroting articles from this site, when you are parroting the likes of Prof X and Tirib.

I’m not saying I disagree with your statement. I’m just saying no one got all hot and bothered over article parroting before some of the more experienced members started getting vocal about it. Now that they’ve gotten more vocal, suprise! You are more vocal as well.

Just a little ironic…

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
GetSwole wrote:

Its just that more and more and more there is too much article parroting on here.

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The irony in this statement is hilarious. Here you are, saying that someone is parroting articles from this site, when you are parroting the likes of Prof X and Tirib.

I’m not saying I disagree with your statement. I’m just saying no one got all hot and bothered over article parroting before some of the more experienced members started getting vocal about it. Now that they’ve gotten more vocal, suprise! You are more vocal as well.

Just a little ironic…

[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Quart of milk PWO!?!?!

I’m fucking adding you to my friend list bro. I like your damn attitude.[/quote]

i can dig that as well. sounds familiar.

I said one thing about article parroting defending the guy who got assaulted for fast food for mass. I don’t understand why you are starting an issue over this. I have no doubt you have something better to get flustered and confused over. And if you read my posts, any of them, you’ll see that very rarely will I ever talk about articles much less parrot them.

idk if anyones mentioned this earlier in the thread but i didnt care to look. BK and Mickey D’s are the two most notorious dealers in trans fat. trans fat is known to lower protein degradation and contains and converts well into the bad cholesterol, which you dont want. for those of you who dont know what that means in lamence terms its heart problems and slowed protein degradation is basically absorption, it hinders it and makes ptoein synthesis harder. bulk with restaurant sh.t like chicken parms or pizza or cheese steaks, avoid trans fat

its only 3 grams of trans fat. not a big deal. as ive also mentioned, i dont believe in cholestoral being bad at all, whether its the “bad” kind or not.