Hmm…I’ve been taking 1/2 cup of oats and 25g of whey/casein 30 minutes before working out and 50g waxy maize starch, 50g whey isolate PWO.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this thread and possibly experiment with other protocols.
For slower carbs could one just mix in some instant oatmeal with a shake or would that not digest well before a workout?
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
muscles become insulin resistant after exercise and fast absorbing carbs having a stronger insulin response as well as a faster one[/quote]
Muscles become insulin several HOURS after exercise, and eating something will delay this quite a bit. The premise behind carbs POST workout is to replenish glycogen that has been depleted during your training session. Those that take advantage of the PRE and PERI (during) workout carbs will not have such a depleted end result. I haven’t taken post workout carbs (except for the rare morning training on weekends) in a few years now and I keep getting bigger and more cut on stage… I must be doing it wrong -lol.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
muscles become insulin resistant after exercise and fast absorbing carbs having a stronger insulin response as well as a faster one[/quote]
Muscles become insulin several HOURS after exercise. THe premise behind carbs POST workout is to replenish glycogen that has been depleted during your training session. Those that take advantage of the PRE and PERI (during) workout carbs will not have such a depleted end result. I haven’t taken post workout carbs (except for the rare morning training on weekends) in a few years now and I keep getting bigger and more cut on stage… I must be doing it wrong -lol.
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ok cheers for the info!
what does your pre workout carbs consist of?
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
muscles become insulin resistant after exercise and fast absorbing carbs having a stronger insulin response as well as a faster one[/quote]
Muscles become insulin several HOURS after exercise, and eating something will delay this quite a bit.
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That statement of yours is nonsense. Muscles become insulin??? I would say with fast carbs and whey protein that insulin helps to stop muscle break down but it also stops fat burning…
So what you go on to say about getting more and more cut up makes sense if all your doing is whey, you might not be getting much of an insulin response, due to the nature of the food present or the amount and type of it, but I’d say your pretty healthy.
[quote]silee wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
muscles become insulin resistant after exercise and fast absorbing carbs having a stronger insulin response as well as a faster one[/quote]
Muscles become insulin several HOURS after exercise, and eating something will delay this quite a bit.
S
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That statement of yours is nonsense. Muscles become insulin??? I would say with fast carbs and whey protein that insulin helps to stop muscle break down but it also stops fat burning…
So what you go on to say about getting more and more cut up makes sense if all your doing is whey, you might not be getting much of an insulin response, due to the nature of the food present or the amount and type of it, but I’d say your pretty healthy.[/quote]
i think he meant to type “muscles become insulin RESISTANT”
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
I spike insulin before workouts. Why?
Bushidobadboy reccomended it to someone to have two candy bars and 40g of protein approx 40 min before working out. For me the sweet spot was about an hour and fifteen minutes felt amazing working out.
He also ran an experiment where he used insulin preworkout and had amazing workouts. This also convinced me.
Bonez also mentioned the in his opinion spiking insulin(withfood) before working out was better than spiking it just after. I think CT also wrote an article saying that its great to spike it after but preferably you should do both but if you could only spike it once it should be before.
These are just things off the top of my head.
My bad Bonez and BBB if I interpretted y’all wrong.[/quote]
Youre not wrong, not about what I do at least, gnerally speaking. I use consider anything with calories to be food, so yes, youre right. [/quote]
Ha yeah that’s what I meant(things with calories) I was just making sure people knew I wasn’t referring to slin.[/quote]
Ah ok. I dont use exo insulin, correct.
Something to check out its old and I scanned through it ill read it more later/look up more threads I gotta go to the gym now.
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
There aren’t really set rules…in the beginner stage, is getting enough overall calories to grow. [/quote]
Amen!
In the absence of adequate calories to grow, a lifter is heading in the wrong direction.
FINiBARs + Surge Workout Fuel pre-and-during workout = fucking win.
Spike insulin pre workout because its anitcatbolic and it will help deliver nutrients.
Just because muscle is insulin resistant doesnt mean it cant use carbs after a workout. Glut 4 are still on the outside of muscle cells which mean they can suck up glucose without insulin. JM and BW wrote a 2 great article on protein synthesis and insulin. I recommend checking those out.
Agreed… spiking insulin pre-workout (via carbs like D-glucose, maltodextin, etc) will allow better glucose and amino acid transport into the muscle, and will help prevent muscle breakdown.
This guy is 135lbs and is afraid of getting fat and won’t eat cheeseburgers. You sound like a high school girl. Sorry. You need to change your attitude if you hope to ever accomplish your goals. Your diet is shit. There are no egg yolks amd egg whites for you. Theres just “eggs” and you need to eat 6 at a time.
Use the advice given to you here. Most everyone here started out small and weak. I’m no physical specimen myself but I went from 155lbs to 195 in about 2 years with visible abs the whole time. Instead of focusing on carbs you need to also pay attention to fats. Olive oil, coconut oil, peanut butter, almond butter, fish oil. I saw none of those mentioned in your “diet”. They are full of good calories. Sorry for rambling on. I wish you the best of luck, you came to the right place.
[quote]silee wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
muscles become insulin resistant after exercise and fast absorbing carbs having a stronger insulin response as well as a faster one[/quote]
Muscles become insulin several HOURS after exercise, and eating something will delay this quite a bit.
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That statement of yours is nonsense. Muscles become insulin??? I would say with fast carbs and whey protein that insulin helps to stop muscle break down but it also stops fat burning…
So what you go on to say about getting more and more cut up makes sense if all your doing is whey, you might not be getting much of an insulin response, due to the nature of the food present or the amount and type of it, but I’d say your pretty healthy.[/quote]
-Obviously I meant to type Insulin RESISTANT. I tend to type too quickly, and usually when I’m doing something else at the same time (my posts are riddled with typos, it’s part of my charm).
-Trust me, your body is fully capable of repairing and growing muscle tissue even if your insulin levels aren’t highly spiked. It’s a 24 hour process. Sure little spikes can increase the rates of protein synthesis and nutrient uptake for a bit, but banking on that one tiny post workout window is like focusing on one tree in the middle of a forrest.
-Also, the point I made about getting more ripped, was more about my contest weight actually increasing each year, despite being better conditioned. Essentially pointing to the fact that I’m building considerable muscle, despite no post workout carbs.
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hey, kid. you need to learn that
A: to get big, you need to eat big - baby elephants eat fucking tonnes of food while theyre growing up, and the most succesful hunt and eat men.
What does this suggest? EAT MEAT! its awesome. i have just eaten 1kg of lamb steak for lunch - it said so right on the packet, because i squatted and deadlifted for heavy doubles and triples yesterday, and i will be squatting heavy for high reps today. The body needs this!
Whole eggs count because theyre dead chicken babies
B: the digestive process doesnt take 5 minutes
im glad i read this thread, learnt many things
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/study_is_it_necessary_to_spike_insulin_postworkout_1?id=2191023&pageNo=0
Something to check out its old and I scanned through it ill read it more later/look up more threads I gotta go to the gym now.[/quote]
cheers for the link!
[quote]silee wrote:
I’d like to see if this has any scientific merit.[/quote]
Then you should probably read stuff written on this site in the past 2-3 years.
Not exclusding the all powerful Anaconda protocol.
But seriously, when you say you ‘can’ get a “let down” (whatever you mean by that), are you talking from how YOU feel during a workout when following something similar to what’s been mentioned? Or are you just saying sutff that you THINK is true?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]The Rattler wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
slow release before, fast after.
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Why?
OP, I don’t think you should really be worrying about what type of carb source you should be having before/during/after your workouts but more the amount of food you’re eating as a whole. If you have at least 4-6 BIG meals in your day with complex carbs, protein and fats and you’re putting on weight then that’s a good thing.
EDIT: Eat beef. Lots of beef. [/quote]
the first meal he is having in the day is his pre workout shake so he should be getting a decent amount of good carb sources like oats
and fast after for an insulin spike[/quote]
O rly?
U mean the dextrose/maltodextrin I add to my pre workout shake is wrong? And the fact that I dont have fast carbs post workout is wrong?
Damn. That sucks. [/quote]
^ This also works best for me. Got the pre workout isulin spike tip from Berardi article years back. Gatorade and whey 15 mins before workout always works. Also Anaconda protocol when I feel like spending the money but for me the difference in effect between the two isn’t always worth the money. Usually do Anaconda when cutting.