[quote]Chicksan wrote:
Highjumper, your damn profile movie clip makes me loose my train of thought every time I scroll past it!! lol
As far as Klokov’s numbers…his 550lbs front squat with about a 15 minute pause at the bottom made me go WTF. I actually have the poster hanging in my office. His stiff-legged, snatchgrip, deficit pulls inolly shoes definately make me go WTF. Then again, maybe im wrong and they really arent as impressive as I belive them to be.[/quote]
Nope, you’re pretty much right. At least IMO! I think them impressive not because they’re contest numbers, but specifically because this is shit heis doing almost every damn day instead of working up to something heavy once in a while. How many people can say they have a 500 lb raw bench press without training for it? (also I believe he has said his best back squat is 320 kg…so 700 lbs. pretty good for.uber raw and a non powerlifter)
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Nope, you’re pretty much right. At least IMO! I think them impressive not because they’re contest numbers, but specifically because this is shit heis doing almost every damn day instead of working up to something heavy once in a while. How many people can say they have a 500 lb raw bench press without training for it? (also I believe he has said his best back squat is 320 kg…so 700 lbs. pretty good for.uber raw and a non powerlifter)[/quote]
A 300+kg bs and 300kg+ pull is the norm in elite wlers in his bw class. Not freak status in his reference class. Among gym rats these are monster lifts and among elite raw PLers they a good or very good lifts.
I don’t understand your remark “How many people can say they have a 500 lb raw bench press without training for it?”. Are you implying that he hasn’t specifically trained the bs, fs, and different pulling variations over time? I would disagree.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Nope, you’re pretty much right. At least IMO! I think them impressive not because they’re contest numbers, but specifically because this is shit heis doing almost every damn day instead of working up to something heavy once in a while. How many people can say they have a 500 lb raw bench press without training for it? (also I believe he has said his best back squat is 320 kg…so 700 lbs. pretty good for.uber raw and a non powerlifter)[/quote]
A 300+kg bs and 300kg+ pull is the norm in elite wlers in his bw class. Not freak status in his reference class. Among gym rats these are monster lifts and among elite raw PLers they a good or very good lifts.
I don’t understand your remark “How many people can say they have a 500 lb raw bench press without training for it?”. Are you implying that he hasn’t specifically trained the bs, fs, and different pulling variations over time? I would disagree.[/quote]
not at all, he clearly trains them all the time (which is why I think them impressive). what I mean is there is a video of him bench pressing 500 lbs easily, and he doesn’t train the bench at all really. Not many people can say they can come anywhere close to that, without bothering to train for it, powerlifter or no.
Maybe the almighty Clockoff has changed his name, cause the only Russian’s listed at 105 are:
Bedzhanyan and Demanov.
Or maybe he decided to stay home and make some more one-legged-bent-behind-the-back-reverse-hyper-hack-row crossfit videos. Those are nice.
I’d kinda like to see Bedzhanyan do some damage, but Aramnau gets my sentiment vote.
After all, back in 2008 in Beijing, he was an unknown 20-year old, fat, drunk kid who buried the almighty Clockoff.
I just think its nice to see after 5 years he’s sobered up long enough to compete.
[quote]LBramble wrote:
gold medalist Torokhtiy at the Ukraine nationals hitting 240
Clockoff at the Russian Nationals hit what 216? Or was it 217?
And it looked sooooooooooo heavy.
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Bar is 20kg, reds are 25kg, and little black ones are 2.5kg. That C&J is 225.
Look, I don’t think a lot of you guys understand the insane conditioning of the top level CrossFitters. Whether you respect CrossFit or not, those guys are animals. Compared to Klokov, they are not strong at all. But strength is only one of many aspects of CrossFit, and honestly, it’s a lot more conditioning heavy. There is also a lot of skill work involved, which I’m sure Klokov could learn as he is a gifted athlete. All I’m saying is that I think most of you would be surprised at how badly Klokov would lose in the CrossFit Games. Also, I have yet to see a video of him demonstrating conditioning anywhere close to that of Games status.
[quote]TheMoose wrote:
Look, I don’t think a lot of you guys understand the insane conditioning of the top level CrossFitters. Whether you respect CrossFit or not, those guys are animals. Compared to Klokov, they are not strong at all. But strength is only one of many aspects of CrossFit, and honestly, it’s a lot more conditioning heavy. There is also a lot of skill work involved, which I’m sure Klokov could learn as he is a gifted athlete. All I’m saying is that I think most of you would be surprised at how badly Klokov would lose in the CrossFit Games. Also, I have yet to see a video of him demonstrating conditioning anywhere close to that of Games status.[/quote]
Klokov is aware of this. There are some recent videos of him on Youtube doing crossfit type workouts and getting destroyed. For instance, you can find a video on his channel where he does a complex of deadlifts, cleans, and overhead with 70kg on the bar. He’s with a bunch of guys in a crossfit gym and doesn’t finish anywhere near first, even though a lot of the guys there are nobodies. And that workout is relatively short by crossfit standards.
Klokov has spoken to the fact that he is too big to compete at crossfit right now and wants to take time to lose 10-15kg while keeping as much strength as possible. Obviously building different types of energy systems is implied.
The thing here is that while Klokov level strength takes years and probably decades to build, conditioning can be built faster. At the recent crossfit games, the top clean and jerk was around 160kgs. Some of the guys have gone a little higher than that when not doing ladders, but that’s the ballpark of where crossfit guys are maxing out. Klokov has hit over 80 kgs more than that in training. Even when Klokov inevitably loses a lot of strength preparing for crossfit, he will still be the strongest guy out there [with lots of margin to spare].
I’m excited to see Klokov compete in crossfit since I think it will be interesting to see if and how he makes the transition. There is a strong contingent of people who argue that strength is the real and meaningful adaptation and everything else comes from it. If Klokov can dominate crossfit, he would do a lot to vindicate that viewpoint. I agree that if the game is crossfit, smart money is still on guys that have proven their ability in crossfit. As a side note, I would say that at this point crossfit is a brand of gym and a type of competition. It isn’t really a training system and shouldn’t be regarded as such.
I dont care if hes training for Olympic Lifting, Crossfit or Underwater Basket Weaving, I just like watching the guy train. When him and Chuck Vogelpohl stop training, I honestly dont know what I’ll do, lol.
i think that’s the dude who got dusted in the beijing olympics by some kid who was only like 20 years-old. That was 5 years ago. I always wondered what happened to him cause i didn’t see him in London. So he’s making u-tube exercise videos. OK.
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Lol. Whatever dude. I guess if the only thing you know about weightlifting is at the Olympics then he could have dropped off your radar. Fortunately for most other people that’s not the case.
If you mean dusted as in got the Silver medal and second in the World then ok. I suppose so. He didn’t compete in London. Back injury. Since '08 he’s placed in the World Championships several times and the Rus Nat’ls.
Hardly washed up.[/quote]
He came in 13kg behind Andrei Aramnau. Aramnau dusted everyone that year. He had the second highest margin of victory in men’s weightlifting, most of the other classes were very close. He broke the records in Snatch, Clean and Jerk, and Total that year. Klokov has only one victory at the WWC or the Olympics.
He’s amazingly strong, charismatic, and is great at marketing himself. As an Olympic lifter he has never consistently been a Gold medal contender.
i think that’s the dude who got dusted in the beijing olympics by some kid who was only like 20 years-old. That was 5 years ago. I always wondered what happened to him cause i didn’t see him in London. So he’s making u-tube exercise videos. OK.
LB[/quote]
Lol. Whatever dude. I guess if the only thing you know about weightlifting is at the Olympics then he could have dropped off your radar. Fortunately for most other people that’s not the case.
If you mean dusted as in got the Silver medal and second in the World then ok. I suppose so. He didn’t compete in London. Back injury. Since '08 he’s placed in the World Championships several times and the Rus Nat’ls.
Hardly washed up.[/quote]
He came in 13kg behind Andrei Aramnau. Aramnau dusted everyone that year. He had the second highest margin of victory in men’s weightlifting, most of the other classes were very close. He broke the records in Snatch, Clean and Jerk, and Total that year. Klokov has only one victory at the WWC or the Olympics.
He’s amazingly strong, charismatic, and is great at marketing himself. As an Olympic lifter he has never consistently been a Gold medal contender.
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The reason that Klokov is popular is that he is strong, athletic, and looks like it in spades. Most guys work out for those three reasons. In the end, looks matter. Klokov has the body that most guys want, so he gets attention. It’s true that he has never been dominant, but he’s been a main contender for years while looking amazing. That’s enough in most people’s books.
i think that’s the dude who got dusted in the beijing olympics by some kid who was only like 20 years-old. That was 5 years ago. I always wondered what happened to him cause i didn’t see him in London. So he’s making u-tube exercise videos. OK.
LB[/quote]
Lol. Whatever dude. I guess if the only thing you know about weightlifting is at the Olympics then he could have dropped off your radar. Fortunately for most other people that’s not the case.
If you mean dusted as in got the Silver medal and second in the World then ok. I suppose so. He didn’t compete in London. Back injury. Since '08 he’s placed in the World Championships several times and the Rus Nat’ls.
Hardly washed up.[/quote]
He came in 13kg behind Andrei Aramnau. Aramnau dusted everyone that year. He had the second highest margin of victory in men’s weightlifting, most of the other classes were very close. He broke the records in Snatch, Clean and Jerk, and Total that year. Klokov has only one victory at the WWC or the Olympics.
He’s amazingly strong, charismatic, and is great at marketing himself. As an Olympic lifter he has never consistently been a Gold medal contender.
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The reason that Klokov is popular is that he is strong, athletic, and looks like it in spades. Most guys work out for those three reasons. In the end, looks matter. Klokov has the body that most guys want, so he gets attention. It’s true that he has never been dominant, but he’s been a main contender for years while looking amazing. That’s enough in most people’s books.[/quote]
Agreed. I think Klokov has been pretty unlucky though, his total at the 2011 worlds was massive (196 + 232) & just lost out to a top form Akkaev.
Guys like Aramnau are strong as hell but look like shit.
And christ maybe the guy could manage a smile once in a while, always looks like someone just murdered his whole family. Zero charisma.
