I changed several variables recently and it is impossible to determine which may have helped and which may have hindered. I have quite a bit left. I’ve not used since day 35.
I will experiment with different variables in the future to provide more data
Ricky, since you are the master at following this metabolic challenge to the letter I’m wondering if during parts of it you got to breathing hard and if so can you possibly describe roughly how hard you got to breathing , especially when you narrowed down the rest periods? Was it comparable to how hard you might breath during a 50 yard sprint or a set of heavy squats or what? You’re so good at that stoic look during sets it’s hard to tell if you’re breathing hard or not?
Thanks
Scott
Having done all sorts of HIIT conditioning work, when it comes to VO2 max work, I have never experiencing anything as physically draining as stuff like Prowler sprints, boxing circuits, battle ropes, etc. This includes short 15-20s all out effort work, i.e. push that prowler as if you’re life depends on it. There is nothing akin to that when using weights, in my experience.
To put that in context, I have previously used, quite extensively because I enjoyed that style of training, so called German Body Comp training, or lactate-inducing workouts, using weights in a circuit with minimum rest periods. This was predominantly strongman type work, e.g. tug of war, farmer’s carries, pressing, deadlifting, etc. It’s brutal. But it’s a different type of brutal!
Doing some of these advanced routine workouts from the end of “The New HIT”(2004) such as the quad emphasized David Hudlow Routine done with no rest at all between exercises pushed me to the limit in terms of breathing and suffering like I was about to see God. It’s very reminiscent of hard wrestling practices in terms of the way I felt. Pushing heavy weights and taking no rest between exercises is a serious challenge.
Hell yeah, those strongman circuits I referred to it were incredibly taxing. I guess I was chucking in my views when it comes to comparing this type of work to sprints, or, any form of HIIT training when you are genuinely maxing out - which will be around the 15s mark for most mere mortals.
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I’m going to give the chin, dip, sprint routine from the latest Darden article a try starting Monday for the next 4 weeks. Looks like a very challenging circuit and I like the progression of adding another cycle to it every week.
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I have my own share of experience with that stuff(prowler, combat sports circuits…), but eventualy weights training wise, widowmaker squats session comes to my mind. I swear I was litterary so scared about that day workout and walking to the gym my head making up thousands of very realistic excuses to skip that day or turn back “tomorrow”. Lol
Yes! nothing as metabolically challenging for me as non-stop 30-10-30, but anyone thinks these workouts do not have cardio potential, I would like to see them say that after doing any of these routines, pushed as hard as you are describing.
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I found them difficult but not that much actually. The only thing I can compare to is hockey so yes, comparable but with hockey I’d get there in 90 seconds and if I had to stay on the ice for 15 minutes, I’d have to seriously pace myself.
Never having played hockey I don’t know how out of breath that could get you? Did you find yourself huffing and puffing and near out of breath during many parts of your experiment?
Scott
Huffing and puffing but not near out of breath.
This Workout A Variation on Darden Metabolic 301030 Challenge 3 of 14 workouts - YouTube
Was harder today
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Dr Darden, I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about the breathing hard part of this metabolic program like Ricky is doing and I would think the kind of breathing that should be taking place should be very pronounced and obvious if it is to bring forth cardiovascular fitness as spoken of yet in Rickys case I don’t see any real evidence of labored breathing that I think should be taking place with this program and he is the master ! I’m sure Ricky is in excellent condition so maybe he doesn’t show it but I know from my own experience of jumping from set to set of heavy exertions that it’s quite obvious that I’m breathing hard if I’m pushing it. Are my expectations to see a labored breathing during and after sets unreasonable ? Has anyone else taped themselves breathing hard during this metabolic training as an example of the cardiovascular stress it imposes?
I’ve been doing The chin, dip, sprint routine from the latest article and I’m a week in. I’m going to do my fourth workout with this program tonight, but substituting sprints with 20 seconds of dumbbell squats since it is raining. This week I also add an extra chin, dip, sprint/squat cycle and an extra 2 reps to the Wednesday workout. Doing this routine with no rest between exercises has been excruciatingly hard and has resulted in extremely heavy breathing. Even the Wednesday single joint workout, which is super easy by comparison, has me breathing fairly heavy by the end. I know this will only get harder as more volume is added every week.
For the Spanish HiT Inquisition ilk, reasonable ones can see that I did NOT bring this claim up here. Claims are just that, claims. I just challenged the claim with facts and logic.
Are you doing the same program as Ricky so nicely documented for us ?
Scott
No I’m doing the chin, dip, sprint routine from the bottom of Dr Darden’s article on the 10 hidden principles of muscle growth. I’ll be starting the same 30-10-30 program that Ricky did in a few weeks and hopefully I can be a as detailed and meticulous as he was and share everything with you guys.
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