Explosions in Oslo

[quote]garcia1970 wrote:

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[quote]orion wrote:

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[quote]weby wrote:
it was a christian fundamentalist[/quote]

Not from what I’m reading.
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Ah, so he is not a [i] real [/] Christian…

I am sorry, but as long as Christians like you do not publically denounce the acts of fellow Christians like him I have to assume that you are all bloodthirsty psychopaths. [/quote]

No, I’m going by what I’m reading from what is supposedly his manifesto.

"A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?

If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian."

This is an excerpt from, I guess, his manifesto. It’s an odd extremist twist on a term Dawkins has even used for himself, actually. Going by the above, he isn’t motivated by “fundamentalist christianity”. Reading what I’ve been able to so far, I get the sense that this is actually sort of a progressive extremist, fearful of sharia law. He’s apparently described himself as pro-homosexual, and anti-racist. Christianity seems to be nothing more than a cultural reference, historical, and compatible with progress for all. Indeed, he does seem to even take issue with christianity having a strong political influence on science, (embryonic stem cell controversy, maybe?).

“At the very least, we must support the conservative, anti-pacifist cultural Christian leaders and ensure that they are able to influence the European churches. There must however be clear distinctions. The Church must not put any limits whatsoever on issues relating to science, research and development. Europe will continue to be the worldÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??s center for research and development in all areas, strengthened by a predictable and Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??unchangeableÃ???Ã??Ã?¢?? cultural framework.”

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Love it! Tell that to Pat Robertson.[/quote]

What?

[quote]garcia1970 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

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[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]Christian, conservative extremist!

Where are your comments about Islam now, JEWbacca? Do you want to address jewish terrorism, jewish organized crime and Israel’s weapons of mass destruction?

This guy’s views and comments are not that far off from Ron Paul supporters and other “Libertarians.”[/quote]

please.
not today. not in this thread.

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This sort of shit was bound to start spewing forth. Perhaps people jump to conclusions about highly organised attacks comprising ANFO car bombs and shooting sprees because…oh I don’t know, because MUSLIMS do this shit on a daily basis? I didn’t want to jump into this shit. Perhaps people should just ignore lunatic crap from people like Garcia1970 and Rohnyn,[/quote]

please keep your bigoted and fascistoid feelings towards muslims out of this thread, that exist because some fucker with bigoted and fascistoid fellings towards muslims decided to kill 90+ people.[/quote]

I did. Because I knew immediately this wasn’t the act of a Muslim due to media reports of the suspect from his facebook page. It wasn’t until several posters started yelling that this guy has connections to anti-Islamisation groups that I responded.

I even ignored Bambi’s gleeful revelation of the suspect being ‘six foot four white male’. I ignored therajraj’s stuff. It wasn’t until I saw a raving load of shit from both Rohnyn and Garcia1970 that I felt I should say something.

This event is an absolute tragedy for the victims and their families. Trying to score ideological points from this lunatic’s motive is not my game. I only responded to several on the far-left who started that one. In fact it was I who revealed this guy’s conservative connections and wanted to look into his motive.

In addition, if you read over Garcia1970’s comments you will see that this guy is seriously disturbed. He appears to be one of those strange mixtures of the far-left and the far-right. He says he’s ‘not surprised’ the attack didn’t happen sooner because of the Labour government’s policy. So basically, a coordinated car bombing and massacre of 92 children in Norway by a guy who opposes the Labour government is something that doesn’t surprise this guy? Headcase if ever I saw one.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about??? Find that fucking post and show me where I said that!! You think I’m far right b/c I outline how the jews control American politics, media and finance. And you (apparently) are a jew.

That’s not far right, but completely realistic! I can post at LEAST 20 articles from JEWS admitting that they control media and finance.

For the rest of you who don’t see the similarities between this guy’s CONFIRMED writings and our own Tea Party and Libertarians, you have your heads in the sand! What were Tim McVeigh’s views??

This whole forum is filled with Rush Limbaughs!

Good luck in 2012.

Oh, and I’VE read Turner’s Diaries, as well, so I know all your nutjob views.

May I also interject a preemptive “fuck you” to all you Libertarians.[/quote]

[quote]garcia1970 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]Christian, conservative extremist!

Where are your comments about Islam now, JEWbacca? Do you want to address jewish terrorism, jewish organized crime and Israel’s weapons of mass destruction?

This guy’s views and comments are not that far off from Ron Paul supporters and other “Libertarians.”[/quote]

please.
not today. not in this thread.

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This sort of shit was bound to start spewing forth. Perhaps people jump to conclusions about highly organised attacks comprising ANFO car bombs and shooting sprees because…oh I don’t know, because MUSLIMS do this shit on a daily basis? I didn’t want to jump into this shit. Perhaps people should just ignore lunatic crap from people like Garcia1970 and Rohnyn,[/quote]

please keep your bigoted and fascistoid feelings towards muslims out of this thread, that exist because some fucker with bigoted and fascistoid fellings towards muslims decided to kill 90+ people.[/quote]

I did. Because I knew immediately this wasn’t the act of a Muslim due to media reports of the suspect from his facebook page. It wasn’t until several posters started yelling that this guy has connections to anti-Islamisation groups that I responded.

I even ignored Bambi’s gleeful revelation of the suspect being ‘six foot four white male’. I ignored therajraj’s stuff. It wasn’t until I saw a raving load of shit from both Rohnyn and Garcia1970 that I felt I should say something.

This event is an absolute tragedy for the victims and their families. Trying to score ideological points from this lunatic’s motive is not my game. I only responded to several on the far-left who started that one. In fact it was I who revealed this guy’s conservative connections and wanted to look into his motive.

In addition, if you read over Garcia1970’s comments you will see that this guy is seriously disturbed. He appears to be one of those strange mixtures of the far-left and the far-right. He says he’s ‘not surprised’ the attack didn’t happen sooner because of the Labour government’s policy. So basically, a coordinated car bombing and massacre of 92 children in Norway by a guy who opposes the Labour government is something that doesn’t surprise this guy? Headcase if ever I saw one.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about??? Find that fucking post and show me where I said that!! You think I’m far right b/c I outline how the jews control American politics, media and finance. And you (apparently) are a jew.

That’s not far right, but completely realistic! I can post at LEAST 20 articles from JEWS admitting that they control media and finance.

For the rest of you who don’t see the similarities between this guy’s CONFIRMED writings and our own Tea Party and Libertarians, you have your heads in the sand! What were Tim McVeigh’s views??

This whole forum is filled with Rush Limbaughs!

Good luck in 2012.

Oh, and I’VE read Turner’s Diaries, as well, so I know all your nutjob views.

May I also interject a preemptive “fuck you” to all you Libertarians.[/quote]

I would like to apologise for accidently attributing something Rohnyn said to you. It was indeed NOT you who said the Norwegian attacks ‘could’ve been laudable’ but Rohnyn. My mistake.

However, having read your post above I can see that you are perhaps as disturbed as he is. Raving on with Jewish blood libels out of the blue in a thread about the Oslo killings is very revealing. Rohnyn is also an anti-Semite who espoused his belief in the DolchstoBlegende and the USS Liberty blood libel. I guess that’s why I got you guys mixed up…similar craziness.

Regarding ‘The Turner Diary’; I’m not into the idea of starting a race war leading to the extermination of all Jews and non-whites. I’m positive that no conservatives here are either. However, it sounds like something that would appeal to you and Rohnyn(Bolivian American faction?). Also some Finnish fruitloop called ‘allfi’ and possibly a misguided and not very clever 16-year-old called ‘ultralars’.

You all have ran with this ‘could have been laudable’ statement.

You can demonize me, but don’t before you’ve read this post. A man has the right to stand and represent himself against what he has been accused of before judgement is passed. You can say I’m mad, but at least hear me out instead of jumping to that conclusion without a warranted clarification.

The way things are nowadays with the level of Corporate and Bank corruption going on in our Governments a man with the genius and conviction of this man, is a fundamental waste. What I mean to say is, if you’ve skimmed his ideology, he is not that off-base. He is not some virulent neo-nazi nor some raging muslim-killer. If you’ve looked at his manifesto, while his ideas are coarse and extreme, they do not go into pan-ethnic genocide or pogroms as some of you may assume. The guy talks about ending muslim immigration, and forcing people to assimilate or leave. He talks about an inevitable civil war, because he feels his culture and way of life are in jeopardy. This is pretty consistent with about every group involved in the Yugoslav war.

*EDIT = After reading more of his Manifesto, there is alot crazy stuff in there. Howver, from what I’ve read so far, the guy is advocating a ‘war for independence’ and not ethnic cleansing. He uses a number of 48,000 as the number of casualties said revolution would take, going as far as to say, it should take place with minimum number of casuaties to affect the change. His actions seem to be highly inconsistent with his writing. I suppose 100 is a bit less than the 46,000 he’s suggestnig."

I certainly do not agree with his ideas but also I do not entirely disagree with some of them.
Some of the issues he is inflammed over are real, but his reaction has crossed the line. Him taking action wasn’t the problem, it is the murderous aspect that has tainted the interview viewpoint now. Instead of making a point, he’s made a massacre, and only damaged whatever validity his cause had.

To go into why, this could have been laudable;

When we think about the loss of human sovereignty, civil rights, and even social justice in the EU and the USA. No, I’m not talking about reparations or social welfare. A man with enough conviction to have gone through the planning, and effort that it took to orchestrate this, and have it pervert into grand tragedy is lamentable. A tragedy in the violence and loss of human life, but also, a tragedy in that there are legitimate edificies wherein his ‘insurrection’ could have taken place, but instead he ran around and played Call of Duty on a bunch of teens on an island.

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s? That was a terroristic vandalism, but we know it now to have been justified due to the lack of political representation at the time.

Now bring this back to our situation.
In China, when Executives fail, rob and/or screw the common people in the way the our own Corporate Oligarchy has… those men are imprisoned at the very least, but more often than not, they are executed. Think of the social destruction that Enron inflicted, and the slap on the wrists only a handful of the men involved got…think about the government tearing down our Bill of Rights and damning us with habeus corpus as they please.

The crimes that have been inflicted, outweigh the common robber by exponential amounts, yet the common robber can see 20 years or more for theft that is comparatively minimal. The rights that have been taken away from us, were established as inalienable, yet they have been alienated and the political avenues for opposing those actions are stifled. Those rights were written in the blood of our forefathers in the revolution, those thefts unpunished violate the social contract that holds this society together. Those who have perpetrated these actions have thus lost all legitimacy, and insurrection has thus become acceptable. However our humanity remains, so violence would always be the dead last option.

Thus, I stand by my statement that the action could have been laudable. It would have been so, if it were directed at those violations of our society by those who we have been powerless to hold accountable. I do not think in anyway that his hateful partisan violence was acceptable.
Anders Berweik is someone who had great conviction to fight what he thought was an injustice, and in the end, perpetrated an even great injustice; discrediting his ideology, and harming innocent people. That is truly lamentable.

What I still don’t get is…why did he blow up that Government building when noone was in it, but went on a shoooting rampage where a bunch of teens were…I mean even from his standpoint, shouldn’t that have been reversed?

If you read my post, I’m not advocating what ht e man did. I’m simply saying it is endeavor that turned out the worst way, whereas if it had corresponded to justice, it could have been an extraordinary awakening.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s?

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So, basically by saying that the Norwegian attacks ‘could have been laudable’, what you really meant was that they should’ve been ‘akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700’s’? Okay, now that we’ve established that you’re insane AND an idiot let’s move on.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s?

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So, basically by saying that the Norwegian attacks ‘could have been laudable’, what you really meant was that they should’ve been ‘akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700’s’? Okay, now that we’ve established that you’re insane AND an idiot let’s move on.[/quote]
I’m saying he could have shot up sum inner city muslim gang involved in rape_prostitution and drugs or killed some Enron type that got off and at least do something consistent with social injustice. Instead after 9 years of planning we get this bullshit. I don’t even understand what the political gain to be made from this was, he has destroyed a ton of crwdibility for people of his viewpoint.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s?

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So, basically by saying that the Norwegian attacks ‘could have been laudable’, what you really meant was that they should’ve been ‘akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700’s’? Okay, now that we’ve established that you’re insane AND an idiot let’s move on.[/quote]
I’m saying he could have shot up sum inner city muslim gang involved in rape_prostitution and drugs or killed some Enron type that got off and at least do something consistent with social injustice. Instead after 9 years of planning we get this bullshit. I don’t even understand what the political gain to be made from this was, he has destroyed a ton of crwdibility for people of his viewpoint.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m a little old fashioned, but it’s my opinion that shooting unarmed civilians dead is immoral in just about EVERY conceivable circumstance. It also comprises the serious criminal offence of ‘premeditated first degree murder’ and I feel that someone who advocates it is very likely to pose a danger to others. Any of this sinking in?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s?

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So, basically by saying that the Norwegian attacks ‘could have been laudable’, what you really meant was that they should’ve been ‘akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700’s’? Okay, now that we’ve established that you’re insane AND an idiot let’s move on.[/quote]
I’m saying he could have shot up sum inner city muslim gang involved in rape_prostitution and drugs or killed some Enron type that got off and at least do something consistent with social injustice. Instead after 9 years of planning we get this bullshit. I don’t even understand what the political gain to be made from this was, he has destroyed a ton of crwdibility for people of his viewpoint.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m a little old fashioned, but it’s my opinion that shooting unarmed civilians dead is immoral in just about EVERY conceivable circumstance. It also comprises the serious criminal offence of ‘premeditated first degree murder’ and I feel that someone who advocates it is very likely to pose a danger to others. Any of this sinking in?[/quote]

So by that merit, killing Osama wasn’t okay?

He didn’t personally kill anyone, but his actions influenced and orchestrated loss of life and hardship in many.

This is the same as a robber baron or a ruthless mafia boss.
In the context of assassinating a brutal mafioso or cartel boss that is above the law to make a point, I believe that would be acceptable as the law has become unjust in itself.

This is also applies to white collar criminals who through sly maneuvering and overt control of political machinery are able to gain ill gotten wealth even by means of destroying peoples’ lives with little or no consequence. Should this be the case then a free and honorable man must engage in the struggle for justice. Obviously in such situation within an unjust legal system, the man no longer follow the laws that relate to that.

This frames violence in the context of insurrection and rebellion rather than in civil society.
The discernement occurs when one makes that distinction of when society or a situation has left the realm of justice and must be righted by any means necessary, force being one of them.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s?

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So, basically by saying that the Norwegian attacks ‘could have been laudable’, what you really meant was that they should’ve been ‘akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700’s’? Okay, now that we’ve established that you’re insane AND an idiot let’s move on.[/quote]
I’m saying he could have shot up sum inner city muslim gang involved in rape_prostitution and drugs or killed some Enron type that got off and at least do something consistent with social injustice. Instead after 9 years of planning we get this bullshit. I don’t even understand what the political gain to be made from this was, he has destroyed a ton of crwdibility for people of his viewpoint.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m a little old fashioned, but it’s my opinion that shooting unarmed civilians dead is immoral in just about EVERY conceivable circumstance. It also comprises the serious criminal offence of ‘premeditated first degree murder’ and I feel that someone who advocates it is very likely to pose a danger to others. Any of this sinking in?[/quote]

So by that merit, killing Osama wasn’t okay?

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No. OBL was not a ‘civilian’. OBL was the leader of a group that we are at war with. Once again, let me explain how these things work:

Shooting dead some guy you think is an ‘Enron type’ is WRONG. By contrast, US military forces shooting dead an enemy commander responsible for thousands of murders and hiding in a fortified compound disseminating Jihadist propaganda and blessing/directing terrorist attacks against civilians is RIGHT.

Try to imagine the difference; some guy Rohnyn thinks is an ‘Enron type’ and Osama bin Laden. I know the subtleties are confusing but they really do make all the difference.

Robber baron? Seriously, this is nonsense.

Again, I see what you’re saying unfortunately. You feel it is morally justifiable to murder ‘robber barons’/‘Enron types’ in revolutionary class warfare against the government of the United States? Look fella, every post of yours is nuttier than the last. Drink plenty of water and have a nice lie down, there’s a good chap. No one is going to hurt you. We’ll take care of those nasty Enron types and the mafioso for you.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

If you think about the modern situation in the EU or the USA, would it not be just to have an action akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700s?

[/quote]

So, basically by saying that the Norwegian attacks ‘could have been laudable’, what you really meant was that they should’ve been ‘akin to the Boston Tea Party of the 1700’s’? Okay, now that we’ve established that you’re insane AND an idiot let’s move on.[/quote]
I’m saying he could have shot up sum inner city muslim gang involved in rape_prostitution and drugs or killed some Enron type that got off and at least do something consistent with social injustice. Instead after 9 years of planning we get this bullshit. I don’t even understand what the political gain to be made from this was, he has destroyed a ton of crwdibility for people of his viewpoint.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m a little old fashioned, but it’s my opinion that shooting unarmed civilians dead is immoral in just about EVERY conceivable circumstance. It also comprises the serious criminal offence of ‘premeditated first degree murder’ and I feel that someone who advocates it is very likely to pose a danger to others. Any of this sinking in?[/quote]

So by that merit, killing Osama wasn’t okay?

He didn’t personally kill anyone, but his actions influenced and orchestrated loss of life and hardship in many.
He was an unarmed and untried at the time that they killed him.

This is the same as a robber baron or a ruthless mafia boss.
In the context of assassinating a brutal mafioso or cartel boss that is above the law to make a point, I believe that would be acceptable as the law has become unjust in itself.

This is also applies to white collar criminals who through sly maneuvering and overt control of political machinery are able to gain ill gotten wealth even by means of destroying peoples’ lives with little or no consequence. Should this be the case then a free and honorable man must engage in the struggle for justice. Obviously in such situation within an unjust legal system, the man no longer follow the laws that relate to that.

This frames violence in the context of insurrection and rebellion rather than in civil society.
The discernement occurs when one makes that distinction of when society or a situation has left the realm of justice and must be righted by any means necessary, force being one of them.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

how in the fuck are we neutral when norwegian soldiders are station in Afghanistan.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Again, I see what you’re saying unfortunately. You feel it is morally justifiable to murder ‘robber barons’/‘Enron types’ in revolutionary class warfare against the government of the United States? Look fella, every post of yours is nuttier than the last. Drink plenty of water and have a nice lie down, there’s a good chap. No one is going to hurt you. We’ll take care of those nasty Enron types and the mafioso for you.[/quote]

SM, you are right in the context of the difference between OBL and an unarmed civilian. The way I worded that was incorrect, and I cede that point to you. I meant to put a bit more into it, but at the time I was quite tired and not thinking well.

Anyways, to wrap this up.

The point I was trying to make was, one has a person like a cartel boss or a mafioso that is considered to be in some ways an enemy combatant. They run a micro-society within a larger one focused on terrorizing to keep control. Men who engage in wanton murder, extortion and oppression of the people around them.

Now these men are identified as such typically by security services of a given country, however, if they are not…does this make them not what they would have indicated as?

When I say robber barons, I speak of the people who manipulate the political process and government for their own personal material gain at the expense of the tax paying citizen, more specifically the middle class. The 2009 bail outs can be see as a robbery of the citizenry through the treasury. Failing CEOs getting enormous bailouts and and Banksters basically holding the country for ransom via threats of economic meltdown. Some of those men were as confused and distorted as a drug addict, but many of them were truly malicious. That’s where the Enron analogy comes in, because there you truly did have men bent at creating wealth by screwing and destroying others.

If the actions these men take, are like that of the Mafioso, in fact even more damaging, then the only difference between them and him, is that they are not designated as such by the government. Quite obviously, becuase they assert great influence in it, it does not change what they do or what they will do.

Rising against injustice like that, is not only moral, but also a fundamental American principle.
“Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.” - Thomas Jefferson

When the government has become like or intertwined with that figurative cartel or mafia, it is not only laudable but mandatory that men take action to right the situation. When the government has become blind and fails at justice then men have to maintain it themselves.

In the case of Europe, you have situations like this;

Vast among all sorts of violations of human rights by these guests that goes unabated by the security forces. They do not target the issue directly because of political correctness and do little or nothing to prevent it. In said situation, you or I would become extremely frustrated and inflammed. Taking the situation into ones’ own hands is not out of the question, especially when the Government is so corrupt and cowardly as to do so. The rape rate in Europe is more or less entirely held up by Muslim and African immigrants. So if someone were to do something, it would be justified due to the lack of government intervention.

That is what I am saying.

And no, I do not want class warfare in the USA, I want my Constitutional Rights back and the restoration of what the Founding Fathers spilled their blood for, instead of a bunch of sideways excuses on why we’ve torn up the constitution.

Very few of those on here who need to read this will actually read it, but it’s worth a shot: Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S. - The New York Times

Money quote: “This rhetoric,” he added, “is not cost-free.”

[quote]Carl_ wrote:
Very few of those on here who need to read this will actually read it, but it’s worth a shot: Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S. - The New York Times

Money quote: “This rhetoric,” he added, “is not cost-free.”
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Yeah, got to watch out for Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, and Adam Smith, too.

Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.

There are no words for my contempt.

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.

There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]

Fuck him.

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.

There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]

And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.

There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]

And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.[/quote]

I think his point was more that Beck is criticizing (with his standard hyperbolic offensiveness) them for running a political youth camp, while he himself supports tea party run youth camps. I don’t know anything about such camps, but my reading of Bambi’s comment didn’t lead me to believe he was calling the tea partiers nazis. Beck’s comment really is interesting though. Likening the kids to “hitler youth” seems like a justification for the murders. Why would anyone disagree with killing nazis? Nothing wrong with killing future nazis, right? Shock jockery at its finest/lowest.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Bambi wrote:

Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.

There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]

And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.[/quote]

I think his point was more that Beck is criticizing (with his standard hyperbolic offensiveness) them for running a political youth camp, while he himself supports tea party run youth camps. I don’t know anything about such camps, but my reading of Bambi’s comment didn’t lead me to believe he was calling the tea partiers nazis.

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He suggests that Beck is hypocritical in calling the Norwegian Labour Party youth group ‘Hitler youth’ because Beck supports the Tea Party and the Tea Party run summer camps. The only possibly interpretation here is that Beck is a hypocrite because he supports the Tea Party and by extension their ‘Hitler youth’ movement. It is clearly an analogy that implies the Tea Party youth are like the ‘Hitler youth’.

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Beck’s comment really is interesting though. Likening the kids to “hitler youth” seems like a justification for the murders. Why would anyone disagree with killing nazis? Nothing wrong with killing future nazis, right? Shock jockery at its finest/lowest. [/quote]

Well poor old Beck is a manic depressive and puts his foot in his mouth frequently. I feel his comment was inappropriate but to distort this into him justifying this attack is ridiculous and a typical moonbat character assassination tactic.