Explosions in Oslo

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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This is easy as two plus two.

I’ll bet my children’s college fund and give you 2:1 odds that this guy:

  1. is not married

  2. does not have a girl friend

Prove me wrong.
When they background checked Timothy McVeigh after Oklahoma City they could NOT find ANY record of ANY girlfriend. EVER.

Since time began, and on every continent on earth, woman are what make us civilized.
Think about it, guys EVERYWHERE in their late teens and 20’s do what???
Hang out in groups and go around destroying things and people that are different than them in one form or another…
Until they meet a woman, then they leave the group and settle down.
Prove me wrong. I say this dude ain’t had a serious relationship(i don’t mean just sex)for a loong long time…if EVER.

Old men start world war’s because their penis stop working and their jealous. Then they make up some excuse like religion, or politics or whatever. Pathetic.

dude ain’t got a good girl. Prove me wrong.

LB

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This is a fallacy and what’s worse, it’s a tragic one.

Women don’t make us civilized, they bring the best and worst out of men.
That’s ‘Testosterone Commandments’ 101, by the way.
The competition for their attention, hand and ultimately, their uterus, is making men noble and strong but also reckless and vile.

The ones without pussy are desperate, precisely BECAUSE they got empty hands.

Look for societies that keep the tightest lid on pussy and sexuality. You’ll find a lot of desperate men there. (as well as lots of hot, sweaty bro-on-bro action)

So yes, if that guy had a girlfriend who gave him a blowjob that morning, perhaps he’d reconsider.
But, since there are only so many floozies, probably another man would be frustrated now and reach for the shotgun.

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[quote]pat wrote:
My old post got deleted because it was in a duplicate thread…I am going on record before anybody actually know s that this was a terrorist attack by radical islamic freaks. I actually don’t think I am going to far out on that limb.[/quote]

Welp, I couldn’t have been more wrong if I tried. Seems this asshole was protesting the country being tolerant of muslims…By acting like a radical freak.

Perhaps nest time, I’ll shut the fuck up until we know for sure.

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What he did was wrong, cold hearted and ruthless that is certain. Declaring him insane is an easy way to make sense of it all. While some of his actions are crazy others seem to be coldly calculated and rational.

When a person is truly insane (which is a legal term, not an actual medical diagnosis) they will do crazy shit and be completely unaware that they are doing anything wrong and won’t know when to stop it. If you consider the time and effort it took to produce his manifesto or video it appears that he went to great lengths to justify and legitimize his actions. He understood that people would see his actions as wrong. An insane person isn’t worried about what other people are going to think about his actions.

How and when he ended his rampage shows rational thought. An insane person would have tried to fight with the SWAT team and got killed or at least committed suicide. As soon as he was surrounded by the SWAT team he surrendered peacefully. Because he didn’t want to die and he knows at the most he is only going to get a slap on the wrist. The maximum sentence he can get under Norwegian law for his crimes is 21 years. He could be free by the time he is 53. That suggests rational thought.

105

If he is crazy or just one evil SOB, is a pointless discussion at this point. He will probably be
run trough a number of test about hes mental health. When the experts are trough with him, we know for shure whats behind hes cruel actions.

Lets just hope he was alone and that there isnt a network that have aided him and that are capable
of creating more hell.

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Is it true that the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, and that this guy will be free after that? I’ve heard this from various news outlets but am so shocked I’d like someone from that region to confirm/deny it. And are Norwegian prisons also as comfortable (saunas, sunbeds etc.) as they have been made out to be in the news? It seems like, save for some vigilante justice, this guy will be getting a relative slap on the wrist for his crimes.

107

If the guy isn’t killed in jail, he’ll never be a free man ever again.

He’ll be under custody of the state until his death.

Locked away in some institution somewhere.

That’s my best guess.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Is it true that the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, and that this guy will be free after that? I’ve heard this from various news outlets but am so shocked I’d like someone from that region to confirm/deny it. And are Norwegian prisons also as comfortable (saunas, sunbeds etc.) as they have been made out to be in the news? It seems like, save for some vigilante justice, this guy will be getting a relative slap on the wrist for his crimes. [/quote]

yes its true and its the way it should be. We are not barbarians like the man
behind the terror on friday. It doesnt bring any of the lost back by executing
him or something similar. The best way to beat him and hes ideas is to uphold
the humanitarian traditions our society our country is buildt on. And some of those
traditions are a justice system that doesnt carry out infantil revenge.

ps. I think he will probably be sitting longer than 21 years because he will not be safe
out side of prison, but thats just how I see it.

109

[quote]weby wrote:
it was a christian fundamentalist[/quote]

Not from what I’m reading.

110

Pretty decent summary:

“Breivik was inspired by an internet community who brands itself â??counter jihadistâ??, a community espousing an ideology that may be considered as extreme right-wing, which also has connections to European neo-fascism.”

“The terrorist was a Norwegian extreme nationalist, a self-declared â??cultural conservativeâ?? â?? as if the mass-murder of adolescents is â??cultureâ?? or â??conservatismâ??. He consciously targeted politically engaged youth, members of AUF (Labour Party Youth), who he has tied to what he calls â??cultural Marxismâ??.”

111

He will be out well before maximum sentence, since he’s not an idiot.
After that I believe they have no right to detain him anymore.

Germany had a curious law to detain certain criminals practically indefinitely, which they used with certain hardcore child molestors. EU recently forbid that so now they’re out and living with police surveillance around the clock.

It leaves a strange taste in your mouth but Florelius has it right. Under the circumstances that be, in the battle for freedom, childrapers and their rights are the legal shocktroopers.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]weby wrote:
it was a christian fundamentalist[/quote]

Not from what I’m reading.
[/quote]

Ah, so he is not a [i] real [/] Christian…

I am sorry, but as long as Christians like you do not publically denounce the acts of fellow Christians like him I have to assume that you are all bloodthirsty psychopaths.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]weby wrote:
it was a christian fundamentalist[/quote]

Not from what I’m reading.
[/quote]

Ah, so he is not a [i] real [/] Christian…

I am sorry, but as long as Christians like you do not publically denounce the acts of fellow Christians like him I have to assume that you are all bloodthirsty psychopaths. [/quote]

No, I’m going by what I’m reading from what is supposedly his manifesto.

"A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?

If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian."

This is an excerpt from, I guess, his manifesto. It’s an odd extremist twist on a term Dawkins has even used for himself, actually. Going by the above, he isn’t motivated by “fundamentalist christianity”. Reading what I’ve been able to so far, I get the sense that this is actually sort of a progressive extremist, fearful of sharia law. He’s apparently described himself as pro-homosexual, and anti-racist. Christianity seems to be nothing more than a cultural reference, historical, and compatible with progress for all. Indeed, he does seem to even take issue with christianity having a strong political influence on science, (embryonic stem cell controversy, maybe?).

“At the very least, we must support the conservative, anti-pacifist cultural Christian leaders and ensure that they are able to influence the European churches. There must however be clear distinctions. The Church must not put any limits whatsoever on issues relating to science, research and development. Europe will continue to be the worldÃ?¢??s center for research and development in all areas, strengthened by a predictable and Ã?¢??unchangeableÃ?¢?? cultural framework.”

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]cromwell2007 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The arrested suspect is Anders Behring Breivik:

He appears to be a conservative nationalist whose facebook page cites Winston Churchill and Norwegian WWII anti-Nazi(and anti-Communist) guerrilla fighter Max Manus as inspiration.

Max Manus:

This guy was obviously off his fucking rocker. I guess this isn’t going to make conservatives who like Winston Churchill look very good. :frowning:

EDIT: Reports that 80(!) teenagers killed at the youth camp. This may change but it’s looking very bad indeed.[/quote]

Yes, clearly an Islamic/Muslim terrorist !(some people think they are on and the same). I love how people (including on this site )jumped to conclusions as to who was responsible. There are other agendas in the world. For all you know this could be an individual act of a loon[/quote]

How can you blame them for jumping to conclusions in light of the fact that we hear about similiar attacks by Muslims on a daily basis?

EDIT: And an Islamist group claims responsibility? A fucking coordinated car bomb/small arms rampage against civilians, Islamist group claims responsibility and you think people are jumping the gun here by assuming Islamist connections?[/quote]
Because a jumping to conclusions is dangerous. Groups claim responsibility for actions they do not commit or were involved in. Daily basis? Perhaps, certainly NOT on this scale. Be very careful how you chose your words, “Muslim” is a term for a follower of a religious faith, a very small percentage of whom have committed such attacks which are certainly not condoned by the majority, nor supported by the doctrine of the faith. I am a Christian, and if you know anything about history, the Church has a fuck of a lot to answer for. So by this logic I should assume all Catholics are horrible people? Using a word like that to describe such actions implies complicity. This was a terrible tragedy and Heinous act. Bringing a bias into does not help matters. We don’t know the motivation on the individual(s) involved. Norway’s connection to to known “Islamic terrorist” groups is nebulous at best, there for less likely one of them would have been involved. Again, we have few facts

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Is it true that the maximum sentence in Norway is 21 years, and that this guy will be free after that? I’ve heard this from various news outlets but am so shocked I’d like someone from that region to confirm/deny it. And are Norwegian prisons also as comfortable (saunas, sunbeds etc.) as they have been made out to be in the news? It seems like, save for some vigilante justice, this guy will be getting a relative slap on the wrist for his crimes. [/quote]
It is true that the maximum sentence is 21 years, but people who cause a danger to society will be kept in prison until they no longer pose a threat. Once you’re deemed a threat to society it is really hard to do anything about it. I’m betting this guy will never get out of prison.

The reasoning behind this system is that if you can’t rehabilitate someone after 21 years, you probably never will, and so they will be kept in prison to keep the rest of society safe. After the first 21 years the rest of the time served is technically not “punishment”, although nothing changes in practice.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.

[/quote]

GTFO!

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
He will be out well before maximum sentence, since he’s not an idiot.
[/quote]

Wrong. They will likely declare him criminally insane and he will be locked away in an institution for the rest of his life.

Wrong. The insane(not just criminally) can be locked away indefinitely if declared legally insane. Usually they are released and told to take their meds if they’ve only killed a few people but when someone shoots and kills 85 children even the looney psychiatrists always give the ‘do not release’ stamp. There is no point pleading ‘insanity’ because he would never be released. Unless he prefers to live with crazy people as opposed to nonces and rats and assorted freaks in the protective ward of a maximum security prison.

Anyone know if the 21-year max sentence in Norway can be served concurrently with other sentences? Psycho guy could be charged for dozens of murders and be put away for life if this were the case.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]Christian, conservative extremist!

Where are your comments about Islam now, JEWbacca? Do you want to address jewish terrorism, jewish organized crime and Israel’s weapons of mass destruction?

This guy’s views and comments are not that far off from Ron Paul supporters and other “Libertarians.”[/quote]

please.
not today. not in this thread.

[/quote]

This sort of shit was bound to start spewing forth. Perhaps people jump to conclusions about highly organised attacks comprising ANFO car bombs and shooting sprees because…oh I don’t know, because MUSLIMS do this shit on a daily basis? I didn’t want to jump into this shit. Perhaps people should just ignore lunatic crap from people like Garcia1970 and Rohnyn,[/quote]

please keep your bigoted and fascistoid feelings towards muslims out of this thread, that exist because some fucker with bigoted and fascistoid fellings towards muslims decided to kill 90+ people.[/quote]

I did. Because I knew immediately this wasn’t the act of a Muslim due to media reports of the suspect from his facebook page. It wasn’t until several posters started yelling that this guy has connections to anti-Islamisation groups that I responded.

I even ignored Bambi’s gleeful revelation of the suspect being ‘six foot four white male’. I ignored therajraj’s stuff. It wasn’t until I saw a raving load of shit from both Rohnyn and Garcia1970 that I felt I should say something.

This event is an absolute tragedy for the victims and their families. Trying to score ideological points from this lunatic’s motive is not my game. I only responded to several on the far-left who started that one. In fact it was I who revealed this guy’s conservative connections and wanted to look into his motive.

In addition, if you read over Garcia1970’s comments you will see that this guy is seriously disturbed. He appears to be one of those strange mixtures of the far-left and the far-right. He says he’s ‘not surprised’ the attack didn’t happen sooner because of the Labour government’s policy. So basically, a coordinated car bombing and massacre of 92 children in Norway by a guy who opposes the Labour government is something that doesn’t surprise this guy? Headcase if ever I saw one.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about??? Find that fucking post and show me where I said that!! You think I’m far right b/c I outline how the jews control American politics, media and finance. And you (apparently) are a jew.

That’s not far right, but completely realistic! I can post at LEAST 20 articles from JEWS admitting that they control media and finance.

For the rest of you who don’t see the similarities between this guy’s CONFIRMED writings and our own Tea Party and Libertarians, you have your heads in the sand! What were Tim McVeigh’s views??

This whole forum is filled with Rush Limbaughs!

Good luck in 2012.

Oh, and I’VE read Turner’s Diaries, as well, so I know all your nutjob views.

May I also interject a preemptive “fuck you” to all you Libertarians.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]weby wrote:
it was a christian fundamentalist[/quote]

Not from what I’m reading.
[/quote]

Ah, so he is not a [i] real [/] Christian…

I am sorry, but as long as Christians like you do not publically denounce the acts of fellow Christians like him I have to assume that you are all bloodthirsty psychopaths. [/quote]

No, I’m going by what I’m reading from what is supposedly his manifesto.

"A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?

If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian."

This is an excerpt from, I guess, his manifesto. It’s an odd extremist twist on a term Dawkins has even used for himself, actually. Going by the above, he isn’t motivated by “fundamentalist christianity”. Reading what I’ve been able to so far, I get the sense that this is actually sort of a progressive extremist, fearful of sharia law. He’s apparently described himself as pro-homosexual, and anti-racist. Christianity seems to be nothing more than a cultural reference, historical, and compatible with progress for all. Indeed, he does seem to even take issue with christianity having a strong political influence on science, (embryonic stem cell controversy, maybe?).

“At the very least, we must support the conservative, anti-pacifist cultural Christian leaders and ensure that they are able to influence the European churches. There must however be clear distinctions. The Church must not put any limits whatsoever on issues relating to science, research and development. Europe will continue to be the worldÃ??Ã?¢??s center for research and development in all areas, strengthened by a predictable and Ã??Ã?¢??unchangeableÃ??Ã?¢?? cultural framework.”

[/quote]

Love it! Tell that to Pat Robertson.

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[quote]garcia1970 wrote:

What the hell are you talking about??? Find that fucking post and show me where I said that!! You think I’m far right b/c I outline how the jews control American politics, media and finance. And you (apparently) are a jew.

[/quote]

News to me. Didn’t know there were many Catholic Jews whose ancestors come from Cork and Tipperary. You learn something everyday.

[quote]
That’s not far right, but completely realistic! I can post at LEAST 20 articles from JEWS admitting that they control media and finance.

For the rest of you who don’t see the similarities between this guy’s CONFIRMED writings and our own Tea Party and Libertarians, you have your heads in the sand! What were Tim McVeigh’s views??

.[/quote]

Okay crazy guy. Signing off. Over and out.