[quote]Carl_ wrote:
Very few of those on here who need to read this will actually read it, but it’s worth a shot: Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S. - The New York Times
Money quote: “This rhetoric,” he added, “is not cost-free.”
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I see it all now! Robert Spencer drove him to shoot 90 Norwegian kids dead with his ‘anti-Muslim’ rhetoric. Of course, silly me.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.
There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]
And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.[/quote]
I think his point was more that Beck is criticizing (with his standard hyperbolic offensiveness) them for running a political youth camp, while he himself supports tea party run youth camps. I don’t know anything about such camps, but my reading of Bambi’s comment didn’t lead me to believe he was calling the tea partiers nazis.
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He suggests that Beck is hypocritical in calling the Norwegian Labour Party youth group ‘Hitler youth’ because Beck supports the Tea Party and the Tea Party run summer camps. The only possibly interpretation here is that Beck is a hypocrite because he supports the Tea Party and by extension their ‘Hitler youth’ movement. It is clearly an analogy that implies the Tea Party youth are like the ‘Hitler youth’.
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Beck’s comment really is interesting though. Likening the kids to “hitler youth” seems like a justification for the murders. Why would anyone disagree with killing nazis? Nothing wrong with killing future nazis, right? Shock jockery at its finest/lowest. [/quote]
Well poor old Beck is a manic depressive and puts his foot in his mouth frequently. I feel his comment was inappropriate but to distort this into him justifying this attack is ridiculous and a typical moonbat character assassination tactic.[/quote]
Well, from the Beck article… “There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”
My understanding of Bambi’s comment was that Beck says this quote, but Beck himself supports the Tea Party youth camps (apparently)… so I don’t see how Bambi was saying this means the Tea Party youth camps are anything like the Hitler youth, just that Beck is a hypocrite.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.
There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]
And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.[/quote]
I think his point was more that Beck is criticizing (with his standard hyperbolic offensiveness) them for running a political youth camp, while he himself supports tea party run youth camps. I don’t know anything about such camps, but my reading of Bambi’s comment didn’t lead me to believe he was calling the tea partiers nazis.
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He suggests that Beck is hypocritical in calling the Norwegian Labour Party youth group ‘Hitler youth’ because Beck supports the Tea Party and the Tea Party run summer camps. The only possibly interpretation here is that Beck is a hypocrite because he supports the Tea Party and by extension their ‘Hitler youth’ movement. It is clearly an analogy that implies the Tea Party youth are like the ‘Hitler youth’.
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Beck’s comment really is interesting though. Likening the kids to “hitler youth” seems like a justification for the murders. Why would anyone disagree with killing nazis? Nothing wrong with killing future nazis, right? Shock jockery at its finest/lowest. [/quote]
Well poor old Beck is a manic depressive and puts his foot in his mouth frequently. I feel his comment was inappropriate but to distort this into him justifying this attack is ridiculous and a typical moonbat character assassination tactic.[/quote]
Well, from the Beck article… “There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”
My understanding of Bambi’s comment was that Beck says this quote, but Beck himself supports the Tea Party youth camps (apparently)… so I don’t see how Bambi was saying this means the Tea Party youth camps are anything like the Hitler youth, just that Beck is a hypocrite. [/quote]
You’re right. I withdraw my accusation. Reading the Beck quote and Bambi’s statement I agree with your interpretation.
Wow. The blog for SIOE (Stop the Islamisation of Europe) has been deleted.
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
Wow. The blog for SIOE (Stop the Islamisation of Europe) has been deleted.
http://sioe.wordpress.com/[/quote]
What was it? A blog he posted on, or his own?
Did the government do this?
SIOE is the European equivalent of Spencer/Geller’s outfit - SIOA, Stop the Islamization of America.
I’m guessing they did it themselves in light of what’s happened, and will reappear in some other form.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.
There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]
And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.[/quote]
I think his point was more that Beck is criticizing (with his standard hyperbolic offensiveness) them for running a political youth camp, while he himself supports tea party run youth camps. I don’t know anything about such camps, but my reading of Bambi’s comment didn’t lead me to believe he was calling the tea partiers nazis.
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He suggests that Beck is hypocritical in calling the Norwegian Labour Party youth group ‘Hitler youth’ because Beck supports the Tea Party and the Tea Party run summer camps. The only possibly interpretation here is that Beck is a hypocrite because he supports the Tea Party and by extension their ‘Hitler youth’ movement. It is clearly an analogy that implies the Tea Party youth are like the ‘Hitler youth’.
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Beck’s comment really is interesting though. Likening the kids to “hitler youth” seems like a justification for the murders. Why would anyone disagree with killing nazis? Nothing wrong with killing future nazis, right? Shock jockery at its finest/lowest. [/quote]
Well poor old Beck is a manic depressive and puts his foot in his mouth frequently. I feel his comment was inappropriate but to distort this into him justifying this attack is ridiculous and a typical moonbat character assassination tactic.[/quote]
Well, from the Beck article… “There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”
My understanding of Bambi’s comment was that Beck says this quote, but Beck himself supports the Tea Party youth camps (apparently)… so I don’t see how Bambi was saying this means the Tea Party youth camps are anything like the Hitler youth, just that Beck is a hypocrite. [/quote]
You’re right. I withdraw my accusation. Reading the Beck quote and Bambi’s statement I agree with your interpretation.[/quote]
Meaning you interpreted what Bambi said, and criticized what I said, without ever reading the context.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Glenn Beck compares murdered teenagers on Utoya to ‘Hitler youth’, while the Tea Party run summer camps, which he himself supports.
There are no words for my contempt.[/quote]
And you’re comparing the Tea Party summer camps to the Hitler youth. Beck’s comment was totally inappropriate. Your Tea Party analogy is also.[/quote]
I think his point was more that Beck is criticizing (with his standard hyperbolic offensiveness) them for running a political youth camp, while he himself supports tea party run youth camps. I don’t know anything about such camps, but my reading of Bambi’s comment didn’t lead me to believe he was calling the tea partiers nazis.
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He suggests that Beck is hypocritical in calling the Norwegian Labour Party youth group ‘Hitler youth’ because Beck supports the Tea Party and the Tea Party run summer camps. The only possibly interpretation here is that Beck is a hypocrite because he supports the Tea Party and by extension their ‘Hitler youth’ movement. It is clearly an analogy that implies the Tea Party youth are like the ‘Hitler youth’.
Yes. I didn’t read the actual quote from Beck first. I should have. It led to my misinterpretation. Hence my withdrawal.
Maybe a bit early for humour, but I think it was done in a tasteful way, and as a Norwegian wasn’t offended by this:
This is one of Colberts finest pieces ever. Gotta love the propaganda-media of the Anglo-Saxon world. I’m not always supportive of the Norwegian mainstream media either. They are also run by big corporations who seek to maximize profit, and there’s probably more info on Lady Gaga in the papers than the war in Afghanistan. But I’m glad to say that none of them resorted to the baseless conjecture which is clearly displayed in the video above. Conjecture which just happened to fit the hateful propaganda against muslims, the current perceived enemy of the western world.
After the facts were known Fox news also tried to proclaim that this was the first non-muslim terrorist attack since 1995. And they painted the picture of this being an “exception to the rule”. According to a Europol report there were 294 terrorist attacks in Europe in 2009. 293 of those attacks were done by non-muslims. Islamist fundamentalists were responsible for 0,003 percent of the terror in Europe that year. Exception to the rule my ass.
[quote]molnes wrote:
Maybe a bit early for humour, but I think it was done in a tasteful way, and as a Norwegian wasn’t offended by this:
This is one of Colberts finest pieces ever. Gotta love the propaganda-media of the Anglo-Saxon world. I’m not always supportive of the Norwegian mainstream media either. They are also run by big corporations who seek to maximize profit, and there’s probably more info on Lady Gaga in the papers than the war in Afghanistan. But I’m glad to say that none of them resorted to the baseless conjecture which is clearly displayed in the video above. Conjecture which just happened to fit the hateful propaganda against muslims, the current perceived enemy of the western world.
After the facts were known Fox news also tried to proclaim that this was the first non-muslim terrorist attack since 1995. And they painted the picture of this being an “exception to the rule”. According to a Europol report there were 294 terrorist attacks in Europe in 2009. 293 of those attacks were done by non-muslims. Islamist fundamentalists were responsible for 0,003 percent of the terror in Europe that year. Exception to the rule my ass.
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colbert is spot on. Thanks for sharing this my fellow norwegian.
That was actually an excellent job by Colbert.
lol nice find. love Colbert.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.
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GTFO!
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Why is a bomber pilot over Tripolis, who accepts killing as part of some greater mission less insane?
You could make a case that this Norwegian guy is acting morally more sound, since he came to his own conclusions and didn’t take orders from anyone.
He also sacrificed everything for his beliefs.
A large part of the soldatesca (any time period, any army) is just in for the money.
Is there a magic number of kills that makes the killer automatically insane?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.
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GTFO!
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Why is a bomber pilot over Tripolis, who accepts killing as part of some greater mission less insane?
You could make a case that this Norwegian guy is acting morally more sound, since he came to his own conclusions and didn’t take orders from anyone.
He also sacrificed everything for his beliefs.
A large part of the soldatesca (any time period, any army) is just in for the money.
Is there a magic number of kills that makes the killer automatically insane?
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I don’t play these moral inversion silly bugger games anymore. Sorry.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.
[/quote]
GTFO!
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Why is a bomber pilot over Tripolis, who accepts killing as part of some greater mission less insane?
You could make a case that this Norwegian guy is acting morally more sound, since he came to his own conclusions and didn’t take orders from anyone.
He also sacrificed everything for his beliefs.
A large part of the soldatesca (any time period, any army) is just in for the money.
Is there a magic number of kills that makes the killer automatically insane?
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I don’t play these moral inversion silly bugger games anymore. Sorry.[/quote]
Yes, they are so uncomfortable.
Uniform good, if not, bad.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.
[/quote]
GTFO!
[/quote]
Why is a bomber pilot over Tripolis, who accepts killing as part of some greater mission less insane?
You could make a case that this Norwegian guy is acting morally more sound, since he came to his own conclusions and didn’t take orders from anyone.
He also sacrificed everything for his beliefs.
A large part of the soldatesca (any time period, any army) is just in for the money.
Is there a magic number of kills that makes the killer automatically insane?
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I don’t play these moral inversion silly bugger games anymore. Sorry.[/quote]
Yes, they are so uncomfortable.
Uniform good, if not, bad. [/quote]
Actually I’m of the opinion that someone who declares that bombing Gaddafi ammunition dumps/military compounds is somehow morally comparable to the massacre of 85 unarmed teenage civilians is:
A) Insane
or
B) An idiot
or
C) Both of the above
So we’re bombing ammunition dumps/military compunds for months now!
What an amusing thought!
Gaddafi surely has these deep, underground bases from the Bond movies. Or perhaps “mobile chemical labs”?
The point remains:
As if no soldier has ever got the command to “kill those teenagers”!
Are they all insane?
Third, the difference and implications between “insane” and “idiot”(which by the way, means roughly the same, medically. I believe you mean “asshole” or something like that) is pretty huge.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.
[/quote]
GTFO!
[/quote]
Why is a bomber pilot over Tripolis, who accepts killing as part of some greater mission less insane?
You could make a case that this Norwegian guy is acting morally more sound, since he came to his own conclusions and didn’t take orders from anyone.
He also sacrificed everything for his beliefs.
A large part of the soldatesca (any time period, any army) is just in for the money.
Is there a magic number of kills that makes the killer automatically insane?
[/quote]
I don’t play these moral inversion silly bugger games anymore. Sorry.[/quote]
Yes, they are so uncomfortable.
Uniform good, if not, bad. [/quote]
Actually I’m of the opinion that someone who declares that bombing Gaddafi ammunition dumps/military compounds is somehow morally comparable to the massacre of 85 unarmed teenage civilians is:
A) Insane
or
B) An idiot
or
C) Both of the above[/quote]
Sure, that is all that is ever bombed and that and that alone is whats hit.
Every bomber pilot flies missions where he knows, in advance and without any doubt that the expected loss of civilian life will be such and such.
And he gets into his machine and flies it anyway.
The difference is that he usually does not take responsibility for his decision and it is debatable whether that makes him morally superior to someone who decides to kill on his own.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Clearly he’s no more psychopathic then any soldier going into war.
[/quote]
GTFO!
[/quote]
Why is a bomber pilot over Tripolis, who accepts killing as part of some greater mission less insane?
You could make a case that this Norwegian guy is acting morally more sound, since he came to his own conclusions and didn’t take orders from anyone.
He also sacrificed everything for his beliefs.
A large part of the soldatesca (any time period, any army) is just in for the money.
Is there a magic number of kills that makes the killer automatically insane?
[/quote]
I don’t play these moral inversion silly bugger games anymore. Sorry.[/quote]
Yes, they are so uncomfortable.
Uniform good, if not, bad. [/quote]
Actually I’m of the opinion that someone who declares that bombing Gaddafi ammunition dumps/military compounds is somehow morally comparable to the massacre of 85 unarmed teenage civilians is:
A) Insane
or
B) An idiot
or
C) Both of the above[/quote]
Sure, that is all that is ever bombed and that and that alone is whats hit.
Every bomber pilot flies missions where he knows, in advance and without any doubt that the expected loss of civilian life will be such and such.
And he gets into his machine and flies it anyway.
The difference is that he usually does not take responsibility for his decision and it is debatable whether that makes him morally superior to someone who decides to kill on his own.[/quote]
That is the best you can do?
Run to the playground, child.