Explain Republicans to Me

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Republicans may not be perfect, but they are the closest you can get to upholding the constitution.

The question is, what kind of America do you want?

People are going to be people whether they are liberal or conservative. However, what needs to be addresed are the issues - Not slapping a label on one side or another because a group of people made threats.

I didn’t make any of those threats and I’m as far over to the right as anyone can possibly be. [/quote]

You do understand that the American Revolutionaries define Classical Liberalism… right?
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However, Obama is not a liberal I would like to point out. However, in this current mainstream of politics, he is unfortunately correct. Republicans are about as close as you can get, Ron Paul of course is the closest in the Party.

On those cases of people getting threats on the life, well welcome to good all America. This stuff used to happen all the time when the states had more power, now since we have better transportation people are willing to take it all the way to DC. I do not know why people are so shocked, when you threaten and take away someone’s livelihood all bets are off. That is why I would never want to be in those people’s shoes, seems to me like with their work they are in a position to piss someone off bad enough to kill them.

I find it humourous though, a couple of them mentioned they are protective of their families, however why do you think these people are so angry, they find this bill to be a detriment to their families freedom.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Oh I have no doubt that most started with quite noble aspirations. And you’re absolutely right, reality is a bitch.[/quote]

At least they started that way. Over here, politicians are just the town alchoholics. They get to know everyone in the pub and one day… Hey Presto! They’re in politics.

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The difference between R’s and D’s?
R’s can laugh at themselves
D’s can’t
R’s are taking us toward totalitarianism fast
D’s are taking us toward totalitarianism REALLY fast
D’s have done a masterful job of masking their agenda behind the guise of “compassion”
R’s have been masterful at - uh - well - not much!
D’s view life as a burden.
R’s view life as a gift (so at least they got that going for them!)
I believe the war is going to boil down to progressives vs constitutionalists.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
At 26, I had been working full-time for 8 years, paid for my own college, married, and half-way through a graduate degree.[/quote]

Oh god this is me, except I’m 22 and I’ve been working 5 years.

only another 4 years to get ma masters[/quote]

LOL. Welcome to Hell.

Are you still covered under Mommy’s insurance?

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[quote]

See look at USA Today/Gallup 3/22/10 versus Bloomberg 3/19/10 everyone loves a winner. And much of the lack of support was the result of the imperfectness of the bill (as opposed to not wanting reform) and the really nasty debate around it.[/quote]

The point I believe you are making is that the bill sucks. I agree and so does most of America. You do realize that there are ways to make a problem worse, correct?

I think most of us realize that health care needs reform. However, most of us are against this “don’t let a good crisis go to waste” overreach.

Instead of health care reform, this is a corrupt process leading to HEALTH CARE TAKEOVER.

Wrong approach.

Oh, since you think one outlier negates the OVERWHELMING number of polls I gave you, here’s one after the bill. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html

62% think the Republicans should fight on. 33% think they shouldn’t.

Think that one through.

I disagree completely. As more of the process used to pass the bill comes out ($726,000 for stupak airports…) people will get increasingly angry at your dems.

Not to mention, now will actually get to see what a mess the bill really is. Pre-existing conditions for kids, anyone?

JeffR

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[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:
You do understand that the American Revolutionaries define Classical Liberalism… right?
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Classical Liberalism is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

Hmm, sounds a lot like the Conservatives today, wouldn’t you say?

As opposed to modern “social” liberalism (Obama), classical liberalism tends to be considered a conservative ideology that rejects economic populism or business regulation.

What is your point?[/quote]

That when you say our country was founded by right-wing extremists, when in fact it was classical liberals, you’re either ignoring facts, or living with some sort of cognitive dissonance.

There are more than two options. Because MOST of the founders wouldn’t be Obama style democrats, doesn’t mean they’d be Tea Party Nut Jobs.

Your use of the term social liberal hammers the nail in the head of your cognitive dissonance, where on the one hand you define conservatives as being everything that’s good warm and fuzzy, classic liberalism as conservatism, and modern liberalism as what?- pseudo-communism?

The modern conservative movement, while ostensibly embracing free-markets on the economic end, has shown itself to be an extremely AUTHORITARIAN movement, at least since the Goldwaters got kicked out of the party, if not earlier.

For one modern political group to pretend to own the ideology of the founders, given their track records, and rhetoric, is ludicrous.

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  1. Explaining Republicans.
    Republicans are dumb fucks. And they’re sore loosers. They can’t stand they lost this game, so now they’re kicking over the board.And it’s not just the extremists, they’re egged on by the regular republican party.

  2. How to handle Republicans
    What we now need is a couple of liberals that will arm up and declare “an eye for an eye”. That’s from the bible they pretend to love so much.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
At 26, I had been working full-time for 8 years, paid for my own college, married, and half-way through a graduate degree.[/quote]

Oh god this is me, except I’m 22 and I’ve been working 5 years.

only another 4 years to get ma masters[/quote]

LOL. Welcome to Hell.

Are you still covered under Mommy’s insurance?[/quote]

Nope. Not married either, which I neglected to mention. 3 years on the degree, 2 years for the Masters (if I do it right) and it’s onward to a thankless job with semi-decent pay!

:open_mouth:

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
That when you say our country was founded by right-wing extremists, when in fact it was classical liberals, you’re either ignoring facts, or living with some sort of cognitive dissonance.[/quote]

Your views on right wing extremists must be distorted.

[quote]
There are more than two options. Because MOST of the founders wouldn’t be Obama style democrats, doesn’t mean they’d be Tea Party Nut Jobs.[/quote]

Oh come on! Is it even a question who the founding fathers are closer to? Really?

[quote]
Your use of the term social liberal hammers the nail in the head of your cognitive dissonance, where on the one hand you define conservatives as being everything that’s good warm and fuzzy, classic liberalism as conservatism, and modern liberalism as what?- pseudo-communism?[/quote]

Yep, pretty much. Except for the cognitive dissonance part. I like to think of it more like “reality”.

[quote]
For one modern political group to pretend to own the ideology of the founders, given their track records, and rhetoric, is ludicrous.[/quote]

Which group are you refering to? Right wing extremists? Again, you have a twisted view of them.

However you want to spew it, I am all about upholding the Constitution and as I’ve said, no side is perfect, but I have to be realistic and choose the next best option which is the Republican party.

Do you believe in upholding the Constitution and preserving what has made our country succesful? What is your issue?

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[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:

Do you believe in upholding the Constitution and preserving what has made our country successful? What is your issue?[/quote]

That’s great.

Maybe you’re smarter than the average bear, but when most people talk about conservatives, or right-wing extremists, they are also talking about a right-wing/conservative social agenda that has come as part of the package for at least the last sixty years, and really became ingrained in the 90s.

Are you not? If you don’t include things like “social values” in your right-wing extremists, and you don’t believe things like: the US was founded as a Christian Nation, then I’m with you.

But nine times out of ten, when someone starts talking about the founders as conservative, or right-wing, they all including all that baggage with them. Which is where I hope we can agree modern Republicans/Conservatives differ greatly from the Classic Liberals who founded the country.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

Republicans are dumb fucks. And they’re sore loosers…
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I love this ^^ combo of dumb fucks and sore loosers (sic) in the same post.[/quote]

push, your a looser for pointing out this fale point.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

  1. Explaining Republicans.
    Republicans are dumb fucks. And they’re sore loosers. They can’t stand they lost this game, so now they’re kicking over the board.And it’s not just the extremists, they’re egged on by the regular republican party.

  2. How to handle Republicans
    What we now need is a couple of liberals that will arm up and declare “an eye for an eye”. That’s from the bible they pretend to love so much.
    [/quote]

no libs will ever arm up because they are too busy humping trees

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

  1. Explaining Republicans.
    Republicans are dumb fucks. And they’re sore loosers. They can’t stand they lost this game, so now they’re kicking over the board.And it’s not just the extremists, they’re egged on by the regular republican party.

  2. How to handle Republicans
    What we now need is a couple of liberals that will arm up and declare “an eye for an eye”. That’s from the bible they pretend to love so much.
    [/quote]

This isn’t a game, it’s a struggle to preserve our founding principles. Yes people are angry. Does anything justify violence? In your mind, is there anything that can justify violence? At what point can people get violent? If your freedoms are slowly being taken away, what do you do? Sit around with your thumb up your ass? The majority of Americans are against Obama, I guess we are all just a bunch of crazies huh? The minority is obviously not seeing the devastation. That or they really want a socialist country.

So if all Republicans are Christians, then that makes all Democrats Atheists by your own logic.

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I would like to know why anyone cares about bearing the mantle of the Founders? They were far from perfect, and their model doesn’t really deserve to be emulated in my opinion. Seeing as things weren’t all that great for the common people back then, why don’t we quit aspiring to turn the clock back 200 years and try to make some progress (regardless of what your ide aof progress might be)?

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
I would like to know why anyone cares about bearing the mantle of the Founders? They were far from perfect, and their model doesn’t really deserve to be emulated in my opinion. Seeing as things weren’t all that great for the common people back then, why don’t we quit aspiring to turn the clock back 200 years and try to make some progress (regardless of what your ide aof progress might be)?[/quote]

But we do, we just do not want government to get in the way.

And that is an idea worth preserving.

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I had a post ready to go about the vital role that government has historically played in establishing and protecting freedoms, but you know what? Forget it. Resume your march toward Utopia.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
I had a post ready to go about the vital role that government has historically played in establishing and protecting freedoms, but you know what? Forget it. Resume your march toward Utopia.[/quote]

I will comrade!

But I am a libertarian, we dont march:

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
I had a post ready to go about the vital role that government has historically played in establishing and protecting freedoms, but you know what? Forget it. Resume your march toward Utopia.[/quote]

I will comrade!

But I am a libertarian, we dont march:

Are you trying to say that you and the Circle Jerk Society are the one kid that does not participate? For that to be an accurate depiction, every body in the group of students would have to not participated, with a couple exceptions. The people that the Circle Jerk Society labels as liberal would be you true loners, not caring what the Circle Jerk Society thinks of them.