Explain Republicans to Me

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Jeff R wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]Jeff R wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Jeff R wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Republicans are a more cohesive group than Democrats. Republicans strategy is designed to win for Republicans; Democrat�??�??�??�??�?�¢??s strategy on the other hand would be more conducive on what is best for the Country rather than the Democratic Party.[/quote]

59% of people polled by cnn disapproved of the final Senate bill.

That’s cnn. So the true number is probably higher.

Hope that helps expose your partisan hackery.

JeffR
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I just heard that 50% of people believe that the bill is a step in the right direction, as opposed to 40% who feel it isn’t. [/quote]

That’s nice. Care to expound on the particulars?

I’ve got some pretty compelling evidence from various polling/SCOTT BROWN, that the majority of people disapprove of this bill.

If you’d like more, I’d be happy to provide more evidence. I picked cnn because they are liberal. That makes it even more valid, in my opinion, because cnn would be more likely to push the liberal line.

Let me know if I can help.

JeffR
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What’s Scott Brown have to do with anything? Who gives a shit about Mass.

I’d be interested in your polls. Everyone loves a winner, and every poll I’ve seen since the bill passed now shows a decent majority support it. That’s the way it goes.[/quote]

JeffR
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See look at USA Today/Gallup 3/22/10 versus Bloomberg 3/19/10 everyone loves a winner. And much of the lack of support was the result of the imperfectness of the bill (as opposed to not wanting reform) and the really nasty debate around it.

I predict the passing of this bill will help Dems come fall (where the defeat would have hurt them).

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
At 26, I had been working full-time for 8 years, paid for my own college, married, and half-way through a graduate degree.[/quote]

Oh god this is me, except I’m 22 and I’ve been working 5 years.

only another 4 years to get ma masters

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Massachusetts has the highest premiums in the nation … because MassCare has cut costs SOOOOOO much … Fuck you Romney

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Jeff R wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Republicans are a more cohesive group than Democrats. Republicans strategy is designed to win for Republicans; Democrat�?�¢??s strategy on the other hand would be more conducive on what is best for the Country rather than the Democratic Party.[/quote]

59% of people polled by cnn disapproved of the final Senate bill.

That’s cnn. So the true number is probably higher.

Hope that helps expose your partisan hackery.

JeffR
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I just heard that 50% of people believe that the bill is a step in the right direction, as opposed to 40% who feel it isn’t. [/quote]

I am a Republican and I would say that people think that parts of the bill are a step in the right direction, but the entire bill is a giant leap in the wrong direction. 59% are opposed to the bill but would like to see reform everyone wants that. The question is how do we do it. Raming it down our throats was not the way to handle it.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Republicans are a more cohesive group than Democrats. Republicans strategy is designed to win for Republicans; Democrat�??�??�?�¢??s strategy on the other hand would be more conducive on what is best for the Country rather than the Democratic Party.[/quote]

Christ, you really have no idea how big of a joke you are. Seriously, who really believes (well, besides you) that either party is putting country before party?

mike[/quote]

I must agree with Mike here. Neither political party is really working “for the people”, I doubt even Obama is working “for the the people”. At the end of the day, these politicians are in fact people, and look out for themselves.[/quote]

Funny, I think (some) people on both parties INTEND to put country before party…but political realities bite 'em in the ass. I would guess McCain, Obama, Bush, and Clinton all intend(ed) to put country first. [/quote]

Oh I have no doubt that most started with quite noble aspirations. And you’re absolutely right, reality is a bitch.[/quote]

This is the first statement from you all that I can say I agree with. Why did they all have to sell their souls? Why not quit? Absolute Power corupts absolutely.

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[quote]thefederalist wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I am a republican, but let me tell you that i DONT DO RELIGION, any of it, i think they (religions) are all a bunch of bullshit. I’ll also say that i dont hate Obama (notice i even capitolize his name), and likewise never understood why people HATED Bush so bad, he is still a human being trying to do the right thing…

My perception of the two parties

Republican mentality:

This is your dad, he tells you to “rub some dirt on it” to go “figure it out” and “grow up”. He will help you when you are in true need of help, but he wont ever give you more than you need, and no, he wont tuck you in at night

Everyone in this country is expected to bring something to the table (unless you are truely* disabled), you can do this (most often) by getting a job and being ambitious, constantly reaching higher to contribute more to society, provide for yourself/your family and expecting VERY LITTLE (if any for that matter) help from the government. You dont give much to the government in terms of taxes because you expect very little from the government, you take care of yourself. And, oh yea, you fuck with us? We’ll get all American on your ass and fucking bomb the shit out of you.

Democrat mentality:

This is your mommy, she will give you a hug, a piece of candy, rub some lotion on your owie, put a band-aid on it, kiss it, then tell you everything will be ok. She will always be there to cook you a meal, tell you that the world is full of mean people and provide you with anything you WANT. She will tuck you in at night and pour the milk in the bowl for your cereal in the morning.

Democrats expect very little from people, “you tried and thats the best you can do, so you deserve everything” and fuck, even if you didnt try, you deserve the same things that everyone else has. Why should everyone else but you have nice things and a nice life? Sure you didnt do anything for society, but you (may have) tried. As for all those AMBITOUS, SUCCESSFUL, EVIL, RICH people out there, they really owe you one, and you will definetly get it through the government programs that are paid for by all those EVIL SUCCESSFUL people. Cant take care of yourself or your family? Dont worry THE GOVERNMENTS GOT YOUR BACK. Ultimately this discourages people to be ambitious and make money for themselves

I’ve heard too many stories of people starting out at the bottom, with nothing, no family, no money, nothing, but they turned their life around with little to no assistance from the government and ended up being successful and wealthy, theres no fucking reason that any other able bodied/minded person here in AMERICA cant do the same, thats WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT FOR and dems want to turn it into sweeden or Canada

As for republicans being direspectful in debate…ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? When i discuss shit with my liberal friend he doesnt even talk about the fucking topic he just attacks me personally and calls me names while i sit there, defending myself while trying to talk about the actual topic.[/quote]

If your analysis of the two parties’ respective mentalities is accurate, why are the two wealthiest states in the Union blue as blue can be?
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If those two wealthy states are so wealthy why are they the states that are on the brink of bancruptcy. Having Wealthy people in a state does not make the state wealthy. Wealthy people are leaving those states because the tax rates are so high. This current Census is going to show us a lot about where people are moving to. Away from New York and California.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Republicans are a more cohesive group than Democrats. Republicans strategy is designed to win for Republicans; Democrat�¢??s strategy on the other hand would be more conducive on what is best for the Country rather than the Democratic Party.[/quote]

Christ, you really have no idea how big of a joke you are. Seriously, who really believes (well, besides you) that either party is putting country before party?

mike[/quote]

Well it is you that is the joke , just because i do not belong to your circle jerk society :slight_smile:
Any how I feel if the Dems. would have been more cohesive like the Retards. then health care would have passed 9 months ago. And I do know the Dems are guilty as well , just not to the degree that the Retards are

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[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34907.html[/quote]

I am not condoning what these people are doing, because that is just scary and wrong and they should be put in jail for these types of scar tactics.

Did these Representatives not think about all this when they were selling their vote to the President? They all received some sort of kick back for their vote. They did not listen to the majority of people that were against this bill.

The same Liberals that say, “we need to help the poor,” are also the same people that say screw the people over in Iraq and Afganistan who can not fight for themselves, or feed themselves. Not many people here in the US die of starvation unless forced upon them illegally. A trillion dollars goes a very long way in a third world country to feed people. I guess Americans are worth a whole lot more than any other people of the world. Now that is racism.

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[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34907.html[/quote]

This is pretty F’ed up…I think it’s worth its own thread.

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[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34907.html[/quote]

Wait until it is the Republicans that are targeted, all hell will break lose, those damned liberals can not handle defeat they are thwarting democracy

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34907.html[/quote]

This is pretty F’ed up…I think it’s worth its own thread. [/quote]

Sounds like 1960’s Mississippi to me… And that’s not good company.

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“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” - Thomas Jefferson

Republicans may not be perfect, but they are the closest you can get to upholding the constitution.

The question is, what kind of America do you want?

People are going to be people whether they are liberal or conservative. However, what needs to be addresed are the issues - Not slapping a label on one side or another because a group of people made threats.

I didn’t make any of those threats and I’m as far over to the right as anyone can possibly be.

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[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Republicans may not be perfect, but they are the closest you can get to upholding the constitution.

The question is, what kind of America do you want?

People are going to be people whether they are liberal or conservative. However, what needs to be addresed are the issues - Not slapping a label on one side or another because a group of people made threats.

I didn’t make any of those threats and I’m as far over to the right as anyone can possibly be. [/quote]

You do understand that the American Revolutionaries define Classical Liberalism… right?

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[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/22/stupak-called-baby-killer-house-floor/[/quote]

Yeah, he’s the “baby killer.”
But he’s already out making money for it…

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
You do understand that the American Revolutionaries define Classical Liberalism… right?
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Classical Liberalism is committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

Hmm, sounds a lot like the Conservatives today, wouldn’t you say?

As opposed to modern “social” liberalism (Obama), classical liberalism tends to be considered a conservative ideology that rejects economic populism or business regulation.

What is your point?

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I am a republican, but let me tell you that i DONT DO RELIGION, any of it, i think they (religions) are all a bunch of bullshit. I’ll also say that i dont hate Obama (notice i even capitolize his name), and likewise never understood why people HATED Bush so bad, he is still a human being trying to do the right thing…
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Interesting, preach hate for religion, then say you are tolerant of the black president as I am assuming that is what you are getting at.

Uh huh, so like a mellower National Socialism, cool. And the Republicans have been doing the same thing as Obama and Clinton. Bush was in a deficit all eight years, he just specialized in business.

Such tolerance. I’m not sure what kind of father you had, but most father’s I have known as well as my grandfather’s were not this way as you described. Neither was my mother or grandmothers.

Democrats and Republicans go back and forth between communism and fascist priorities and specialisations with legislation and executive orders. Bush had fascist tendencies, as well as past Democrats (after 1932) and almost always Republicans with isolationist policies. The two politicians when it comes to communist (of fascist tendencies since they are so close related it is hard to tell why someone may be doing something) tendencies was a Republican and the other a Democrat. These two have been the biggest communist interested presidents in history, one is Franklin D. Roosevelt and the other is Barrack H. Obama. The strange thing is that FDR was more of a collectivist/socialist than BHO. But you didn’t learn that in middle school history, so it’s not true right?

Actually both parties are turning into that, it is a mentality not which parties they belong to. It used to be liberalism was the free-market ideology, since it came from Britain the socialist have turned liberalism into something different.

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As for republicans being direspectful in debate…ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? When i discuss shit with my liberal friend he doesnt even talk about the fucking topic he just attacks me personally and calls me names while i sit there, defending myself while trying to talk about the actual topic.[/quote]

From this post obviously you are pissed off, why you are I am not sure. And, on that note, I think you should regroup and look at things more objectively. And, as should everyone, study the history of the ideas and what words originally meant.
Wow, not only do you not follow the stereotype of ‘Right-wing Republican Religious-nut,’ you yourself are such a tolerant fellow obviously I only took this from your first paragraph. I’ll see if I can comment on your message later as it seems to be such a well done piece of literature.