Experiences with Recreational Drugs

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[quote]MsM wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Coke is still a reasonably soft drug compared to some of the other shit out there.

That’s idiotic.

Cocaine is a hard drug that can and will kill you. If you think that’s a soft drug, you must be one hardcore needle usin’ motherfucker.

Or just a stupid kid.

That is exactly what I was just thinking. A soft drug??? Are you kidding me?[/quote]

Damn. Cocaine soft? This needs clarification.

“The term hard drug generally refers to drugs illegal for nonmedical use that lead to profound and severe addiction, as opposed to soft drugs that has weaker or no physical withdrawal symptoms.”

Refer to attached image for examples.

EDIT: Image fail.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/7/78/Hard_and_soft_drugs.svg.png

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[quote]MsM wrote:
Slay the Dragon wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ridiculous. Why would anyone need a spotter? What the hell does a spotter do except make sure he doesn’t play in traffic? A spotter cannot fix his altered brain chemistry. A spotter cannot restore his sanity.

You refuse to recognize the true danger.

Wrong, in a bad trip situation a sitter can make all the difference. Its more than possible than to talk someone out of a bad trip even turn a bad trip into a pleasant one.

Hell, if your experienced enough you do it yourself. And by experience I don’t mean having tripped 283874974 times, I mean really know what your doing, to really know the drug and yourself.

I’m sorry your friend’s sitter didn’t know what he was doing but if it had been me watching him, I guarantee
you that he would still be sane.

I am sorry but why the fuck, as an adult, would you do something that would make you require a “sitter”? This thread is seriously disturbing to me. [/quote]

You’re right. What the fuck was I thinking? I guess I should tell my training partner/spotter to go home and I should stop benching and squatting heavy while I’m at it.
Hell, I’ll tell everyone I know to stop lifting heavy too.

I’m sorry but what the fuck would someone whose never experienced it first hand even know about the subject.

Why would I even want to consider your opinion? That would be like taking speech classes from a fucking mute. Now don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t touch any hard drug but psychedelics are a different story.

If you’re going to dabble in ANY drug I suggest doing as much research as possible on the subject, weigh the pros and cons, and then some. After that, if you still want to try it; take the safety precautions ie. having a sitter. It’s better to be safe than sorry.

WHY you would want to do something that requires a sitter?

Why would you want to do anything that carries a risk? Hell, you might as well live your life in a hazmat suit in a padded house. Your experienced sounding talk in something you have no experience in is seriously disturbing to me.

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[quote]Slay the Dragon wrote:
MsM wrote:
Slay the Dragon wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ridiculous. Why would anyone need a spotter? What the hell does a spotter do except make sure he doesn’t play in traffic? A spotter cannot fix his altered brain chemistry. A spotter cannot restore his sanity.

You refuse to recognize the true danger.

Wrong, in a bad trip situation a sitter can make all the difference. Its more than possible than to talk someone out of a bad trip even turn a bad trip into a pleasant one.

Hell, if your experienced enough you do it yourself. And by experience I don’t mean having tripped 283874974 times, I mean really know what your doing, to really know the drug and yourself.

I’m sorry your friend’s sitter didn’t know what he was doing but if it had been me watching him, I guarantee
you that he would still be sane.

I am sorry but why the fuck, as an adult, would you do something that would make you require a “sitter”? This thread is seriously disturbing to me.

You’re right. What the fuck was I thinking? I guess I should tell my training partner/spotter to go home and stop benching and squatting heavy while I’m at it. Hell, I’ll tell everyone I know to stop lifting heavy too.

I’m sorry but what the fuck would someone whose never experienced it first hand even know about the subject. Why would I even want to consider your opinion? That would be like taking speech classes from a fucking mute.
Now don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t touch any hard drug but psychedelics are a different story.

If going to dabble in ANY drug I suggest doing as much research as possible on the subject, weigh the pros and cons, and then some. After that, if you still want to try it; take the safety precautions ie. having a sitter. It’s better to be safe than sorry.

WHY you would want to do something that requires a sitter?

Why would you want to do anything that carries a risk? Hell, you might as well live your life in a hazmat suit in a padded house. Your experienced sounding talk in something you have no experience in is seriously disturbing to me.
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I am editing my post only because I am refusing to let myself get so worked up over it.

You are foolish and that’s about all I have to say on the matter.

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[quote]MsM wrote:

You assume a lot. How is it that you came to presume I know nothing about the subject? Really, I’d like to know…me and my hazmat suit and padded house and all.[/quote]

This had something to do with it:

[quote]MsM wrote:
As a personal choice, I do not use any recreational drugs (including alcohol).[/quote]

EDIT: Upon a second reading, I admit I didn’t take into account the first part of that quote referring loved ones and addiction and for that I’m sorry.

By “experience” I meant with drugs such as LSD, Psilocybin, DMT, and saliva (just to name a few), drugs that are preferably done with a sitter present. I was not talking about crack, coke, heroine etc. Not all recreational drugs are addictive. Albeit I’m opposed to hard drugs, psychedelics are something that I would recommend to anyone that I think can handle it.

[quote]I don’t have the slightest clue how you can compare recreational drugs to lifting but I’m not even going to entertain that with an answer because it’s just ridiculous.

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“I’m not even going to entertain that with an answer”

But you just did.

And for the record its a very good analogy. If you had the “experience” I was referring to, and not the one of a crack/alcohol/heroine/coke/meth addicted loved one, maybe you would have understood the comparison.

But come on, why don’t you “entertain” me with some more of your “non-answers”.

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I had a feeling you’d quote me before I edited my response, Slay the Dragon.

You assumed that I have lived a very sheltered life and have formed opinions on drug use/addiction out of thin air. I do not use drugs, no, but how do you know if I have not experimented in the past or known people that have and utterly destroyed their lives and lost everything? You don’t and you assumed.

You can point me to all of the studies and facts that exist and you will still not convince me that they are safe.

Whether you find my responses entertaining or not is purely up to you, however, you are not really listening so I will not waste my breath any longer.

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[quote]MsM wrote:
I had a feeling you’d quote me before I edited my response, Slay the Dragon.

You assumed that I have lived a very sheltered life and have formed opinions on drug use/addiction out of thin air. I do not use drugs, no, but how do you know if I have not experimented in the past or known people that have and utterly destroyed their lives and lost everything? You don’t and you assumed. [/quote]

So now you want me to ASSUME that you experimented?
I mean what else could I do seeing as how your posts are extremely vague and just dance around the subject. But you’re right, why don’t you enlighten everyone and I’ll see how much I assumed?

Everything in life has a certain risk to it. Name something and I’ll bet SOMEONE can make an argument as to why it isn’t safe.

[quote] Whether you find my responses entertaining or not is purely up to you, however, you are not really listening so I will not waste my breath any longer.

[/quote]

Cool

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[quote]Slay the Dragon wrote:
So now you want me to ASSUME that you experimented?[/quote]

The point was that you don’t assume anything at all, at least not without stating that you’re making an assumption.

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[quote]ibanezrg320 wrote:
The drugs I talk about are the heavy stuff like coke, heroin, LSD etc…

I’ve been curious to try heavier drugs, but from the research i’ve done its hard to decide whether to try ‘new’ things or not.
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You need to volunteer somewhere that takes in individuals who are coming off severe addictions to the drugs you mentioned and then decide if it is worth it.

Judging by the wording in your original post, you don’t seem to understand exactly what is meant by ‘hard’. Saying you’ve done pot and are interested in ‘heavier’ drugs is like saying ‘I caught a mouse with a mouse trap, now I going to wrestle a grizzly with my bare hands’.

Listen. I spent the first 14 years of my life living 10 feet away from a drug house. They specialized in heroin but had a meth lab in the basement. These are drugs that you should never pick up and use, the results will ‘never’ be worth it.

I can’t even describe the things I saw, the number of nights I spent hiding under my bed, the things these people would do to get their next fix. I watched people get beat and stabbed and shot and killed over these drugs. It wasn’t an element of their life, it was their entire life, and they couldn’t simply up and decide one day to walk away. You just can’t understand until you’ve lived in that world.

Pot is a joke compared to the drugs you’re considering. Psychedelics are a tricky one and can go either way. There is no reason to ever touch heroin, meth, or even cocaine.

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Its seriously sad that people are so bored with their own lives that they are seriously considering trying life ruining, people killing, brain changing drugs.

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Its seriously sad that people are so bored with their own lives that they are seriously considering trying life ruining, people killing, brain changing drugs.[/quote]

Like when people go out partying on a Friday? Alcohol kills more people and ruins more lives than all the illegal drugs combined. Drugs can be great tools to find oneself if they have self-control. Those who do not possess self-control need not to seek out drugs.

I do not remember who said this, but they hypothesized that it is human nature to seek out mind altering substances, right behind food, sleep, and sex.

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This probably is not the best place to talk to people about hardcore drug use, since most of us try to live healthy lives.

Yet almost any drug is safe in moderation and can have positive benefits.

There are other forums on the internet with drug users who talk about this kind of stuff. Some have great results with hardcore drugs, others hell. It comes down to the person, if you are in the right mindset and a very responsible person.

I’ve known people who have used, heroin, cocaine, lsd, and are completely normal people and for the most part only drugs they do on normal basis is weed. Just be extremely careful when messing with any type of dangerous drugs, and if you use make sure your with experinced friends.

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[quote]shizen wrote:
This probably is not the best place to talk to people about hardcore drug use, since most of us try to live healthy lives.
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I think your right, but opinions from different areas can help make a difference

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[quote]Slay the Dragon wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ridiculous. Why would anyone need a spotter? What the hell does a spotter do except make sure he doesn’t play in traffic? A spotter cannot fix his altered brain chemistry. A spotter cannot restore his sanity.

You refuse to recognize the true danger.

Wrong, in a bad trip situation a sitter can make all the difference. Its more than possible than to talk someone out of a bad trip even turn a bad trip into a pleasant one.

Hell, if your experienced enough you could do it yourself. And by experience I don’t mean having tripped 283874974 times, I mean really know what your doing, to really know the drug and yourself.

I’m sorry your friend’s sitter didn’t know what he was doing but if it had been me watching him, I guarantee
you that he would still be sane. [/quote]

You are totally kidding yourself.

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All I am going to say on this subject is… stay the FUCK away from meth.

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Its seriously sad that people are so bored with their own lives that they are seriously considering trying life ruining, people killing, brain changing drugs.[/quote]

Maybe if we didn’t LIE to kids about all drugs (especially something like marijuana) they wouldn’t be so quick to assume they’ve been lied to about all drugs.

Blame the “war on drugs” for that. It is working just like prohibition did…wonderfully.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
HangerBaby wrote:
Its seriously sad that people are so bored with their own lives that they are seriously considering trying life ruining, people killing, brain changing drugs.

Maybe if we didn’t LIE to kids about all drugs (especially something like marijuana) they wouldn’t be so quick to assume they’ve been lied to about all drugs.

Blame the “war on drugs” for that. It is working just like prohibition did…wonderfully.[/quote]

Pretending pot is the same as crack is horrible.

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I must admit, while being nieve and unexperienced with the subject at hand, I wonder how skewed the data is regaurding “alcohol kills more people than drugs” simply based on the legality. IE, the pool or alcohol users is going to be signifigantly higher than crack heads due to the legality of the substance. Like I said earlier, I might be incline to try pot if it was legal, but its not, so I dont/wont.

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[quote]MsM wrote:
Slay the Dragon wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ridiculous. Why would anyone need a spotter? What the hell does a spotter do except make sure he doesn’t play in traffic? A spotter cannot fix his altered brain chemistry. A spotter cannot restore his sanity.

You refuse to recognize the true danger.

Wrong, in a bad trip situation a sitter can make all the difference. Its more than possible than to talk someone out of a bad trip even turn a bad trip into a pleasant one. Hell, if your experienced enough you do it yourself. And by experience I don’t mean having tripped 283874974 times, I mean really know what your doing, to really know the drug and yourself.

I’m sorry your friend’s sitter didn’t know what he was doing but if it had been me watching him, I guarantee
you that he would still be sane.

I am sorry but why the fuck, as an adult, would you do something that would make you require a “sitter”? This thread is seriously disturbing to me. [/quote]

You’re not the only one who finds this disturbing…
This is totally hilarious, actually.

“I mean really know what your doing, to really know the drug and yourself.”

Land of infinite possibilities for sure…

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[quote]HangerBaby wrote:
Its seriously sad that people are so bored with their own lives that they are seriously considering trying life ruining, people killing, brain changing drugs.[/quote]

I don’t use drugs, and I don’t think people should, generally, but your lack of curiosity is strange. I would never try Heroin, but fuck me if I don’t wonder what it’s like.

After reading up a bit, I think I’ll stay away form hallucinogens. Seems a bit too involved for my tastes. I like to be in control of my own body and senses, most of the time.

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I’m actually kind of surprised that more people don’t know at least a couple of people who lost their minds because of drugs.

One I’ve seen happen temporarily, and the other still isn’t right.

It’s enough to make you not want to fuck around.