Experiences with Recreational Drugs

Sentoguy · September 4, 2008, 11:47pm

[quote]Doyle wrote:
SeanT wrote:

Alcohol brings out the worst in people. You never hear about people beating their wives while high on marijuana?

I think most people underestimate the negative effects of marijuana. Most of my friends smoke, and all of those who smoke regularly (once a week or more) are agressive and have unpredictable behaviour.

Other than the weed their lives are quite normal but I have noticed the change in there personalities over time. Also most of these guys are introverted and don’t seem to have much motivation.

I know these are broad generalisations and it is not the same for everyone but it is just what I have observed in about six of my close friends who fit into that category.
I do however have one freind who smokes several times a week and is a stand up bloke in every way.

Also ALOT of weed can contribute to mental health problems and loss of memory and function. Another of my friends droped out of UNI and spent 6 months lying around at home even after she stopped.

She had some kind of mental breakdown and lots of memory loss (like weeks of time she doesn’t remember) marijuana was the only drug (other than alcahole) she took in the lead up to this episode.

Often the real stories are not told to everyone because it is embarrassing. I think often the dangers of drugs are over stressed but there are certainly very real dangers with any regular drug use including “softer” drugs or legal ones.
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I’ve gotta say that I’ve never met anyone (and I knows lots of pot heads) who became violent or aggressive as the result of smoking weed. I know some people who had violent/aggressive tendencies to begin with and smoke(d) weed. But none that it was the cause of.

Also, I know some people who smoke(d) copious amounts of weed. Heck, I used to be stoned just about 24/7 for a few years straight. And I wasn’t even close to the biggest pot head that I know. And I’ve never, ever heard of anyone having a mental breakdown due to it, or losing months worth of memory.

Chances are her breakdown was not the result of her drug/alcohol habit, but caused by other factors in her life.

In fact, I really don’t even buy the idea that weed adversely affects memory at all. Much like the aggression topic, if someone has poor memory to begin with, they’ll have poor memory as the result of smoking weed. But if they’ve got a good memory, they’ll still have a good memory after smoking weed.

Sentoguy · September 5, 2008, 12:41am

[quote]AllerCuzine wrote:
You know I say that is true that I am being broad but just as you are your damn right there has been plenty of accidents becasue of weed I know more people who drive high, work high go to school high and frankly live their lives high because they say that it doesnt affect them the same way.

NO NEGAVTIVES only positives. But you know that alcohol is more demonized in the american we hate alcoholics more than we hate the problems that come with drugs.

I have to say that I would rather have the car crashes the the mindles gang wars and death that has been caused by drugs now.

I know people who lives have been ruined by drugs. As I am sure you know of alcoholics. But you know in the end neither is the best for us when abused.Both can be beneficial to us.

But i know if some one drinks and does drugs then goes and gets in an accident believe me they wont be saying that you were hight they would say it is the alcohol.

It is just the thing we as americans love to drink but at the same time we dont like those who abuse it. Drugs are bad for you they are you all are fooling youselfs if you believe that their is no negatives to your drug use. [/quote]

First, anything can be harmful if abused or taken to the extreme. Drugs are no exception. But, your view of the subject seems very closed minded if you think that all drugs are bad for you (if used intelligently) and some are not downright beneficial for certain purposes.

For instance, hallucinogens (like peyote, mushrooms, Saliva, DMT) have been used by medicine men/shamen for literally thousands of years. In some cultures they are literally used as a right of passage into adulthood.

Prior to Timothy Leary’s colossal fuck up in the 1960’s and Congress passing a law in 1970 making all hallucinogens illegal, psychadelics were THE leading, and most promising, area of psychotherapy.

DMT is also like I said before, the only endogenous hallucinogen (meaning that your body actually makes it) and according to scientists who have studied it extensively, is what’s responsible for dreaming,

and may even be the mechanism through which consciousness enters (a large dump of DMT is released by the pineal gland 49 days after conception) and leaves the body (the pineal gland again releases large amounts of DMT into the body at the time of death).

Now, whether this is unquestioningly true, no one can say for certain. But what is certain is that people have been using hallucinogens for centuries (if not millenia) with positive effect, and there are no physiological harmful side effects to taking certain hallucinogens (such as DMT).

Once again, if abused anything can be harmful, but not all drugs are evil as some might have you believe.

Defekt · September 5, 2008, 2:19am

[quote]SeanT wrote:
Defekt wrote:
This is unrelated, but I think its funny that I can get weed, cocain, lsd, oxycontin, a bunch of other random opiates, MDMA, and DMT, easier than I can get alchohol. Something here is flawed.

DMT easier to get than alcohol? You must live in one crazy ass town. DMT is easy to get if you extract, but from steet dealers? WTF?[/quote]

I extracted it personally, $60 yeilded like $500 worth, if there was a market for it that I had acess to, I could make a killing.

Defekt · September 5, 2008, 2:22am

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
AllerCuzine wrote:
You know I say that is true that I am being broad but just as you are your damn right there has been plenty of accidents becasue of weed I know more people who drive high, work high go to school high and frankly live their lives high because they say that it doesnt affect them the same way.

NO NEGAVTIVES only positives. But you know that alcohol is more demonized in the american we hate alcoholics more than we hate the problems that come with drugs.

I have to say that I would rather have the car crashes the the mindles gang wars and death that has been caused by drugs now.

I know people who lives have been ruined by drugs. As I am sure you know of alcoholics. But you know in the end neither is the best for us when abused.Both can be beneficial to us.

But i know if some one drinks and does drugs then goes and gets in an accident believe me they wont be saying that you were hight they would say it is the alcohol.

It is just the thing we as americans love to drink but at the same time we dont like those who abuse it. Drugs are bad for you they are you all are fooling youselfs if you believe that their is no negatives to your drug use.

First, anything can be harmful if abused or taken to the extreme. Drugs are no exception. But, your view of the subject seems very closed minded if you think that all drugs are bad for you (if used intelligently) and some are not downright beneficial for certain purposes.

For instance, hallucinogens (like peyote, mushrooms, Saliva, DMT) have been used by medicine men/shamen for literally thousands of years. In some cultures they are literally used as a right of passage into adulthood.

Prior to Timothy Leary’s colossal fuck up in the 1960’s and Congress passing a law in 1970 making all hallucinogens illegal, psychadelics were THE leading, and most promising, area of psychotherapy.

DMT is also like I said before, the only endogenous hallucinogen (meaning that your body actually makes it) and according to scientists who have studied it extensively, is what’s responsible for dreaming,

and may even be the mechanism through which consciousness enters (a large dump of DMT is released by the pineal gland 49 days after conception) and leaves the body (the pineal gland again releases large amounts of DMT into the body at the time of death).

Now, whether this is unquestioningly true, no one can say for certain. But what is certain is that people have been using hallucinogens for centuries (if not millenia) with positive effect, and there are no physiological harmful side effects to taking certain hallucinogens (such as DMT).

Once again, if abused anything can be harmful, but not all drugs are evil as some might have you believe.[/quote]

I’ve done a pretty good amount of research on the drug, I assume you’ve read DMT: the spirit molecule? If not its a great read and you should check it out.

Defekt · September 5, 2008, 2:25am

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Defekt wrote:
This is unrelated, but I think its funny that I can get weed, cocain, lsd, oxycontin, a bunch of other random opiates, MDMA, and DMT, easier than I can get alchohol. Something here is flawed.

DMT easier to get than alcohol? You must live in one crazy ass town. DMT is easy to get if you extract, but from steet dealers? WTF?

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe it’s not really DMT.

DMT is an interesting drug. It’s the only endogenous psychedelic (meaning that your body actually produces it), it also is actually shuttled through the brain/blood barrier, meaning that the body actually has mechanisms already set up for it’s absorption.

It also has no negative physiological affects on the body.

Back to the original topic, I’ve done LSD, Mushrooms, ecstasy and cocaine in the past.

As has been said, psychadelics aren’t necessarily physically damaging (unless they’re abused), but you really need to have someone around who you trust, has done them themself and knows how to talk someone down in case you start to freak out.

It’s also a good idea to really know who you are (as from my experience anyhow, you tend to “lose yourself” when you start tripping and the faster you can find yourself, the better the trip will be and the more you will enjoy it.

hope that makes sense) I’m not suggesting that people do them, just that if you already have your mind made up, to take the proper precautions.

Cocaine had to be the dumbest drug I’ve ever done IMO. Granted I didn’t do it very often or regularly for any period of time. But that’s probably because I didn’t really feel anything off of it, and as a result didn’t enjoy it very much.

That said, I know a number of people who loved it and became very much addicted to it. In my experience it’s not worth even taking that risk with.

Now would I suggest for any person to do drugs? No probably not. That’s a decision that I feel the individual should make for themself (an educated decision hopefully). But I agree with others that not all of them are evil incarnate like some might have you believe.

Many people don’t get high off cocaine their first(maybe even first few) times.

Maybe, but I did A LOT of it my first time, and did a fair amount of it several other times. I think that my perspective was somewhat jaded, as I had tripped hard off LSD before then, and in comparison cocaine was lame (at least I thought it was), especially since the high lasted so little time.

I exaggerated when I said I didn’t feel anything, maybe I should have said I didn’t feel anything special.[/quote]

I agree completely with this. I felt a little awake, a little more talkative and a slight bit jittery, not worth $50, fuck that. I do however have a high tolerance to most stimulants in general. I

can take a Spike or three and go to sleep most of the time. And honestly, when I hadnt had a tolerance to spike, I felt that it was better than coke, rofl.

Having tried multiple drugs, I would say my drug of choice is actually dxm, the cough suppressant found in most OTC cough medicines. I useually get a lot of shit for that, people think its a rather low thing to do and for ten year olds, but from high dosage trips, its anything but that. Personally I find it quite spiritual.

Sentoguy · September 5, 2008, 2:54am

[quote]Defekt wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
AllerCuzine wrote:
You know I say that is true that I am being broad but just as you are your damn right there has been plenty of accidents becasue of weed I know more people who drive high, work high go to school high and frankly live their lives high because they say that it doesnt affect them the same way.