European Who Loves America

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Higher tax rate, higher cost of living, less freedom, worse teeth, more racism, more government control and an utter lack of understanding of history, economics and self defense…

What’s not to love about Europe?[/quote]

I am with you on everything but racism. The only racism we generally have here is against muslims and paki’s (racist term for pakistani’s used for most brown people)

I have never encountered any anti black sentiment at all in most countries, lots of anti middle east stuff though.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?

By the way this isn’t some personal attack or judgement I am being genuine when I ask this, you said you were christian or alluded to it in the thin shaming thread. Doesn’t your religeon preach selflessnes and charity and isn’t it against greed and selfishness? Do you think jesus would be pro universal healthcare?

I am not religious so obviously I wouldn’t want law based on religious morality forced upon me but I am genuinely curious about your opinion on it from a theological point of view.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?
[/quote]

In America I believe we should only pay Federal taxes for those things the U.S. constitution spells out. The military, for example.

Everything else should fall to the individual states (roads) or be voluntary or use related.

That’s my opinion of the situation.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?
[/quote]

In America I believe we should only pay Federal taxes for those things the U.S. constitution spells out. The military, for example.

Everything else should fall to the individual states (roads) or be voluntary or use related.

That’s my opinion of the situation. [/quote]

Ok understood. By the way I added more to my question above, hope you answer because I am interested in how you reply.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
By the way this isn’t some personal attack or judgement I am being genuine when I ask this, you said you were christian or alluded to it in the thin shaming thread. Doesn’t your religeon preach selflessnes and charity and isn’t it against greed and selfishness? Do you think jesus would be pro universal healthcare? [/quote]

Yes, selflessness and charity. Taxes aren’t charity. I’m happy to give to charity and I would give more if 35%+ of my income didn’t line politicians pockets. If I had to guess, because I have no idea, I would guess Jesus would want us to provide care to those that can not provide for themselves out of genuine generosity, not by force.

I am not very religious either; however, I do believe in God. I also do not want laws based on religion.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
By the way this isn’t some personal attack or judgement I am being genuine when I ask this, you said you were christian or alluded to it in the thin shaming thread. Doesn’t your religeon preach selflessnes and charity and isn’t it against greed and selfishness? Do you think jesus would be pro universal healthcare?

[/quote]

Taxation and government sponsored spending =/= charity in any stretch of reality.

Charity is choosing to give you time or money to those who have less than you do. Asking the government to do that dirty work for you isn’t charity.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?
[/quote]

In America I believe we should only pay Federal taxes for those things the U.S. constitution spells out. The military, for example.

Everything else should fall to the individual states (roads) or be voluntary or use related.

That’s my opinion of the situation. [/quote]

Does the constitution spell out taxes to fund a police force?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
By the way this isn’t some personal attack or judgement I am being genuine when I ask this, you said you were christian or alluded to it in the thin shaming thread. Doesn’t your religeon preach selflessnes and charity and isn’t it against greed and selfishness? Do you think jesus would be pro universal healthcare?

[/quote]

Taxation and government sponsored spending =/= charity in any stretch of reality.

Charity is choosing to give you time or money to those who have less than you do. Asking the government to do that dirty work for you isn’t charity.

[/quote]

But shouldn’t all christians want to volunteer to pay tax money to healthcare for all? Again not that I think religious morality should be behind policy but as christians shouldn’t people want to pay high taxes to help others?

110

In 2013 on average American’s paid $328 a month for healthcare. That is over $4000 a year. For a family that is more than the average European pays into the health service right?

111

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Cost transparency for another. We really have no idea how much a procedure really costs or should cost.
[/quote]

You get invoices you know. [/quote]

That’s not transparency. Transparency would be knowing what the procedure will cost ex ante so the free market could actually work.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
By the way this isn’t some personal attack or judgement I am being genuine when I ask this, you said you were christian or alluded to it in the thin shaming thread. Doesn’t your religeon preach selflessnes and charity and isn’t it against greed and selfishness? Do you think jesus would be pro universal healthcare?

[/quote]

Taxation and government sponsored spending =/= charity in any stretch of reality.

Charity is choosing to give you time or money to those who have less than you do. Asking the government to do that dirty work for you isn’t charity.

[/quote]

But shouldn’t all christians want to volunteer to pay tax money to healthcare for all? Again not that I think religious morality should be behind policy but as christians shouldn’t people want to pay high taxes to help others?[/quote]

You’re still pretty confused as to what charity means, and way too trusting of government in general.

No, no one should look to the government as a “charity vehicle”. That is absurd on so many levels and flies in the face of every lesson history has taught us.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?
[/quote]

In America I believe we should only pay Federal taxes for those things the U.S. constitution spells out. The military, for example.

Everything else should fall to the individual states (roads) or be voluntary or use related.

That’s my opinion of the situation. [/quote]

Does the constitution spell out taxes to fund a police force?[/quote]

Not that I’m aware of.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Incidentally, Yamato-Damashii, one would think that a guy who selects for himself a username meaning “the spirit of Japan” would have at least a passing interest in, you know, living in Japan.

How about it? Not such a bad place, once you get used to it.

It’s not AMERICA, of course, but very few places are.

[/quote]

I, for one, would love to live there for a while. I figure after my 2-3 year finance internship comes to a close, I could send some CV’s off to a Japanese Bank, or a multinational centred there. Other than that, I’d have no idea how to go about the process.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
In 2013 on average American’s paid $328 a month for healthcare. That is over $4000 a year. [/quote]

Seems high. Does that include what employers pay?

[quote]
For a family that is more than the average European pays into the health service right?[/quote]

Depends on their tax bracket. We’re not really comparing apples to apples here.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?
[/quote]

In America I believe we should only pay Federal taxes for those things the U.S. constitution spells out. The military, for example.

Everything else should fall to the individual states (roads) or be voluntary or use related.

That’s my opinion of the situation. [/quote]

Does the constitution spell out taxes to fund a police force?[/quote]

Not that I’m aware of. [/quote]

So why should we fund the police and not healthcare in your view? If neither are in the constitution? If you are against it for constitutional and economic freedom then surely you have to take the same stance on the police?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
In 2013 on average American’s paid $328 a month for healthcare. That is over $4000 a year. [/quote]

Seems high. Does that include what employers pay?

[/quote]

You’re not from MA lol. We had Romneycare before it was Obaamcare.

I’d LOVE to only pay 4k, lol. We’ve been up over 6k/12k for a long, long time. Now with Obamacare you’ll soon feel that pain too.

You’re welcome.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
By the way this isn’t some personal attack or judgement I am being genuine when I ask this, you said you were christian or alluded to it in the thin shaming thread. Doesn’t your religeon preach selflessnes and charity and isn’t it against greed and selfishness? Do you think jesus would be pro universal healthcare?

[/quote]

Taxation and government sponsored spending =/= charity in any stretch of reality.

Charity is choosing to give you time or money to those who have less than you do. Asking the government to do that dirty work for you isn’t charity.

[/quote]

But shouldn’t all christians want to volunteer to pay tax money to healthcare for all? Again not that I think religious morality should be behind policy but as christians shouldn’t people want to pay high taxes to help others?[/quote]

No because tax dollar are used on all sorts of garbage that isn’t charity and government intervention reduces the likelihood to almost zero that the market price will be at a true equilibrium, which means government actually squanders an opportunity to help more people.

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[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
These are the current rates.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth.

My tax rates would double. Include my losses on conversion rates…

Fuck that. [/quote]

I’m not 100% sure what the chart represents, but I believe I’d be in the 40% bracket, which is more than I pay now in fed, state, and local.[/quote]

Would what you get for that tax in your eyes make it worth paying for the services?

Free dental up to 18 for your children
Free healthcare
Free education
Free public transport when 60+
Free housing if needed
Living benefits if made redundant
Waste disposal and heating instillation

[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I should be the one to decide what I spend my money on. It’s my money. I do not want elected officials, many of which I disagree with, to do it for me. That is freedom and by extension capitalism.

It doesn’t matter what I get for my tax dollars. There is no break even point or cost benefits analysis here. It’s capitalism vs. socialism and I prefer capitalism.

Also using the word “free” in this context is an oxymoron. [/quote]

So you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to go to the military, police, roads etc?
[/quote]

In America I believe we should only pay Federal taxes for those things the U.S. constitution spells out. The military, for example.

Everything else should fall to the individual states (roads) or be voluntary or use related.

That’s my opinion of the situation. [/quote]

Does the constitution spell out taxes to fund a police force?[/quote]

Not that I’m aware of. [/quote]

So why should we fund the police and not healthcare in your view? If neither are in the constitution? If you are against it for constitutional and economic freedom then surely you have to take the same stance on the police?[/quote]

I’m fine with funding healthcare at the state level if that’s what the citizens of that state want. I’ll just move to a state that doesn’t have it. I want a police force and I’m glad my state taxes go to fund the MD state police.

You’re confusing things here. I’m fine with funding various things at the state level.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
In 2013 on average American’s paid $328 a month for healthcare. That is over $4000 a year. [/quote]

Seems high. Does that include what employers pay?

[/quote]

You’re not from MA lol. We had Romneycare before it was Obaamcare.

I’d LOVE to only pay 4k, lol. We’ve been up over 6k/12k for a long, long time. Now with Obamacare you’ll soon feel that pain too.

You’re welcome. [/quote]

That seems insane. How do regular people in a 9-5 pay for healthcare?

Also that would be 4 thousand a year per person on average, not per family. Not sure if I made that clear.