When I first came to T-Nation, doing research, I searched and read for months. Many times on the Steroid forum I would see the issue of estrogen come up. Many were not considering a need for estrogen control unless they were getting gyno or “bloat”. As many of us know from theory and experience, that is a very insane thing to do to one’s mind and body.
When someone is doing 500mg of testerone a week of one sort or another, E2 could reach insane levels. Not only does this mess up the mind (that is where libido is), it reduces the sensitivity of the penis and generally opposes the actions of testosterone in all tissues. I expect that uncontrolled E during a cycle could greatly limit the effectiveness of a cycle.
[quote]KSman wrote:
When I first came to T-Nation, doing research, I searched and read for months. Many times on the Steroid forum I would see the issue of estrogen come up. Many were not considering a need for estrogen control unless they were getting gyno or “bloat”. As many of us know from theory and experience, that is a very insane thing to do to one’s mind and body.
When someone is doing 500mg of testerone a week of one sort or another, E2 could reach insane levels. Not only does this mess up the mind (that is where libido is), it reduces the sensitivity of the penis and generally opposes the actions of testosterone in all tissues. I expect that uncontrolled E during a cycle could greatly limit the effectiveness of a cycle.[/quote]
I do think it is interesting that in the month prior to my E2 rising to insane humbers, I was taking a drug which the bodybuilders take during cycles...Nolvadex. I knew it was not going to be as good as Adex but it was all I could get my hands on at the time, and I thought it would help. Absolutely worthless. I am surprised the BB's like it, I've only read where maybe this drug is superior in preventing gyno.
Is it possible, in some of their insane "stacks," that they combine Adex with Nolva? Doc
Mood enhancement. The ingredients are very similar, but I found that I felt better on Epi.
They differ in that one is double-bonded (Havoc) and the other has a single bond. Maybe they were both ‘bottled in bond’.
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HH, after my recent experience, and hearing yours, I woudn’t blame you for trying more traditional BB cycles over HRT. Just curious, in the PCT time, wouldnt it be much harder on us older guys? With insufficient natural T, the downs of being off any T, even if offset with AI and HCG, would seem pretty bad. What else would you use to survive? viagra? Adderall? Meth?
BTW, I’m going to see the same Urologist next week who diagnosed me with varicocles 16 years ago and said he wasnt sure if it would affect my T production. This should be fun.
I’m gonna stick with HRT, but I need a new doc who’s willing to do the right thing. Wish me luck. :)Doc
