[quote]ZEB wrote:
Isn’t DHT the culprit that causes hair loss?
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Yes, but without DHT you would have no libido, no secondary sexual characteristics and a micropenis. Some who use 5-alpha reductase inhibitors to block hair loss have major libido loss. A few end up with a broken HPTA - a disaster.
I want to order some Anastrozole. I found a source online but also don’t want the DEA at my house upon delivery. Thoughts?
Long time reader on the forums, got my labs back wanted to see what Y’all thought.
Testosterone, total 1458 ng/dl range 250-1100
testosterone, free 484.8 pg/ml range 46.0-224.0
testosterone, bioavailable 1060.2 ng/dl range 110.-575.0
estradol 73 pg/ml range 13-54
I had been doing 1ml of test one a week for about 5 months.
now he wants me to do .75ml once a week and zinc AG 2x a day to bring the estrogen down. will the zinc work?
[quote]cruzmisl wrote:
I want to order some Anastrozole. I found a source online but also don’t want the DEA at my house upon delivery. Thoughts?[/quote]
Estrogen blockers are not on the controlled substances list so the DEA isn’t going to be messing with you. Worst case, if its from overseas, customs may seize it.
[quote]SAMCRO wrote:
Long time reader on the forums, got my labs back wanted to see what Y’all thought.
Testosterone, total 1458 ng/dl range 250-1100
testosterone, free 484.8 pg/ml range 46.0-224.0
testosterone, bioavailable 1060.2 ng/dl range 110.-575.0
estradol 73 pg/ml range 13-54
I had been doing 1ml of test one a week for about 5 months.
now he wants me to do .75ml once a week and zinc AG 2x a day to bring the estrogen down. will the zinc work?[/quote]
Never heard of using zinc to block estrogen. If your doc is prescribing Test, why not also get a script for an estrogen blocker which is designed to target the very problem your test results indicate–high estrogen?
[quote]happydog48 wrote:
Razorslim wrote:
Great article
My question is do younger males have natural aromatase inhibitors that allow for higher test levels but keep the estradiol in check?
It just seems that without an AI higher test levels = higher e levels and your screwed either way
Don’t forget that your body is programmed to act in different ways at different ages. When you’re a young adult, your body is programmed to keep T high and E low. The amount of aromatase you naturally produce is low. As you get older, you naturally produce more aromatase which starts to drive T down and E up.[/quote]
You should have submitted it to the big dogs, they might have made it an article…
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
cruzmisl wrote:
I want to order some Anastrozole. I found a source online but also don’t want the DEA at my house upon delivery. Thoughts?
Estrogen blockers are not on the controlled substances list so the DEA isn’t going to be messing with you. Worst case, if its from overseas, customs may seize it.[/quote]
cool, thanks for the response.
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
SAMCRO wrote:
Long time reader on the forums, got my labs back wanted to see what Y’all thought.
Testosterone, total 1458 ng/dl range 250-1100
testosterone, free 484.8 pg/ml range 46.0-224.0
testosterone, bioavailable 1060.2 ng/dl range 110.-575.0
estradol 73 pg/ml range 13-54
I had been doing 1ml of test one a week for about 5 months.
now he wants me to do .75ml once a week and zinc AG 2x a day to bring the estrogen down. will the zinc work?
Never heard of using zinc to block estrogen. If your doc is prescribing Test, why not also get a script for an estrogen blocker which is designed to target the very problem your test results indicate–high estrogen?[/quote]
I gave him a lot of the info I printed off this site and he said he would look into it, so now it’s a waiting game
SAMCRO, When was your test done relative to time if prior injection? You should test 1/2 between injections.
You are injecting 1ml, probably 200mg/ml. 200mg/week is nuts for a first TRT dosage.
Zinc is useless, you need Arimidex/anastrozole.
How good did you feel before E2 caught up to you and spoiled things?
How has libido peaked and dropped?
Read the “Protocol for Injections” sticky and note info on frequent injections and impact on E2 and SHBG levels.
If your doc will not script anastrozole, you will be forced to self medicate, along with countless others.
What are you doing to get doc to script hCG? Pronounced or prolonged testicular atrophy is treatment induced organ failure.
KSman, I had the lab work half way between injections. I have been doing TRT for some years with testim and andro creams. Yes the libido peaked and dropped bad that is why I went and had the labs done. I gave him the info on the Arimidex/anastrozole and the HCG that you had written. He said it was very informative but still wouldn’t write me a script for either. I think I do need the HCG because the boys have drawn up tight.
very good info, thank you.
This has been a very informative and timely thread as i am getting lab results back and seeing my doc tomorrow morning. I have been experiencing many of these things for some time but am always told I am quite healthy. I’ve had lab results in the past that indicated low T levels but not much was done and I was much more ignorant of symptoms/causes/effects. Thanks to all of you for your contributions.
Before I close, let me say it’s quite sad that something that generates this much discussion and affects so many men (and women) is not given the attention as some “lesser” ills. Also, in our society, a man doesn’t dare mention he’s suffering depression without it being perceived as a mental illness or something. What I found out today is that (my) depression is/may be linked to my estrogen & T-levels, as well as other factors! Whooda thunk?!
Again, many thanks to Happydog48, KSMan, The “Doc” and so many others. I am enlightened.
TD - get and retain copies of your labs.
will do. leaving now. Thx.
Well, f*** me to tears if after waiting 2 weeks for this appointment, I arrived late. I had it down for 0830, they had 0800. They won. Anyway, I got a copy of the lab results and darnit if I know what it all means. What I do know is that my T levels are low. here’s some data:
49 y/o
5’11
Wt: 217
Bf% 12-15%
BUN 12 (9.0 - 21.0)MG/DL
CREAT…1.29 (0.8-1.5) MG/DL Hmmmm
BUN/CR…9 (6-20)
Na+…139 (135-145) MMOL/L
K…4.3 (3.5-5.1) MMOL/L
Cholesterol…224 (always has been high)
Triglyceride…123 (0-250) MG/DL
HDL…50 (39-60)
VLDL…25
LDL…149 (0-130)
SERUM TESTOSTERONE…491 (250-1100) ng/dl
Total test was measured by LCMSMS…correlates well with our extraction/RIA method
FREE TEST%…1.36L (1.5-2.2) %
What does this mean? Am I a healthy WOMAN?
Thx for any and all advice.
Estrodoil still high and HGB and HCT look high.
I’ll post my complete lab work once I figure out how the best way to past a table into this thread (any suggestions, Exel did not work to well last time)
Estrodiol 27.1 pg/mL up from 24.7 six weeks ago.
Testosterone total 902 ng/dL up from 809 six weeks ago
Free testosterone 266.7 pg/mL down from 273.8 six weeks ago. (range 50-210)
I have not changed my 50 mg bi weekly test injections and 250iu HCG EOD.
What I did change was my Anastrozole from .375 mg EOD (liquidex research product from Iron Dragon) to .5mg of Arimidex EOD. Suprised the hell out of me. I thought my E2 was low before my last test and it was slightly high. Once again I thought my E2 was low before my blood test and again was surprised. I’m tempted to just take 1mg EOD for a couple of weeks just to see what low E2 levels really feel like. The only thing stopping me is what I have read about just how bad you could feel at very low levels.
Actually I’m thinking that I could try cutting my 1mg Arimidex pills in quarters and try .75mg EOD. It might not come out exactly .75mg but it should be close enough. If it turns out to be more than needed I’ll probably try the liquid research compound again.
Most importantly is my high blood pressure and my HGB level of 16.8 gm/dL. The upper limit of normal was 17.3 and the lower end was 13.
The HCT was 48% (range 38.5 to 53) I’m thinking I should donate blood just to see if my BP comes down. Are these number high enough to cause 150 over 100 numbers on my meter.
Again I’ll post the completed labs as soon as I can transpose the table and paste it into this forum.
How much do you weigh GeoBob. I am trying to figure out the correct dosing of my Adex. I have similiar numbers like you do. Except for my E2, its 84.6 right now and im trying to get it down to the twenties. I am 270lbs of fat. im trying to compare body types to see if i sohuld take similar dosages as you did or if i should take more.
What do you guys think is the best way to take ADEX, everyday, EOD, E3D, or only on the days you inject?
Any data on the effect of AI’s on prostate cancer? SERM’s like tamoxifen actually appear to have a chemopreventive effect, but there is little written on the effects of AI’s on prostate cancer, either for established disease or for prevention.
Upon starting TRT, I have been told that if you have any fat on you then you will most likely require the use of an AI. However, I’ve been told that once you lose the fat and become lean then you no longer need it. I know that individual E2 levels have much to do with this but for a 21 y.o. who is relatively lean that has always had low T would this require the use of an AI? It is my current understanding that when injecting testosterone an AI is pretty much standard protocol no matter the age or body composition. However, after being told that test converts to estrogen in fat, I wonder if this would effect the recommend dose or even use of an AI? Maybe a smaller dosage?