[quote]Chushin wrote:
So it seems that Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, then broke it with a suicide attack and an abduction.
How does one negotiate with people like this?[/quote]
You can’t. There declared agenda is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews.
I just don’t see how people are blind to that fact. They say it and act upon it. They are being honest about their actions and intent and somehow people still don’t believe them. What does one have to do to be believe on the purity of one’s intent when you talk the talk and walk the talk.
I guess it’s that it’s so unbelievable that someone could think and act that way that people just can’t believe it and refuse to believe it.
I guess there are those who simply believe in an intrinsic decency in man, that man is inherently good. I am not one of those people.
Nothing to do with the persistent killing of civilians? Are you sure?
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No. Actually for the majority of libs around my age I think it has the most to do with simply being trendily contrarian. They dislike Israel so they can be different from the stupid right who doesn’t. It’s obvious to side with Israel so by not doing so they de facto must have some super smart and interesting reason that sets them apart as a special snowflake. It’s just political hipsterism.
Nothing to do with the persistent killing of civilians? Are you sure?
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No. Actually for the majority of libs around my age I think it has the most to do with simply being trendily contrarian. They dislike Israel so they can be different from the stupid right who doesn’t. It’s obvious to side with Israel so by not doing so they de facto must have some super smart and interesting reason that sets them apart as a special snowflake. It’s just political hipsterism.[/quote]
I never knew that I am a special snowflake. I’ve always thought that I am pretty much one of the crowd. Thank you. But do look at the article I posted in the thread I started this morning.
Nothing to do with the persistent killing of civilians? Are you sure?
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No. Actually for the majority of libs around my age I think it has the most to do with simply being trendily contrarian. They dislike Israel so they can be different from the stupid right who doesn’t. It’s obvious to side with Israel so by not doing so they de facto must have some super smart and interesting reason that sets them apart as a special snowflake. It’s just political hipsterism.[/quote]
This man right here, csulli, is going places in life.
This is beyond one of the best shorthand summaries of the current political situation in America I have seen in a long time. It applies to many more topics than just Israel, and is seriously endangering the way of life that spoiled these “hipsters” so much that they have the luxury of such delusion.
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Any Americans wondering why most of your elected representatives support Israel…
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This isn’t even the fucking truth anymore, and you continue to be a clown.
Israel gets its highest amounts of support from Republicans, those who typically identify as “conservative” and American Jews.
Democrats and those to tend to identify as “liberals” typically side with Palestine.
American Jews vote for Democrats at an outrageous clip.
Please stop trying to talk about things you don’t have the first clue about. [/quote]
Well everyone is siding with Israel at the moment. You just have a skewed perception - to you ‘support’ would be telling the Israelis that they could do whatever they want and forget anything about war crimes.
In any case, the support on both sides comes solely from the money.
You ignored the evidence in the link because you can’t take the idea that Israel is wrong, and would be identified as such if it weren’t for the money.
Nothing to do with the persistent killing of civilians? Are you sure?
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No. Actually for the majority of libs around my age I think it has the most to do with simply being trendily contrarian. They dislike Israel so they can be different from the stupid right who doesn’t. It’s obvious to side with Israel so by not doing so they de facto must have some super smart and interesting reason that sets them apart as a special snowflake. It’s just political hipsterism.[/quote]
This man right here, csulli, is going places in life.
This is beyond one of the best shorthand summaries of the current political situation in America I have seen in a long time. It applies to many more topics than just Israel, and is seriously endangering the way of life that spoiled these “hipsters” so much that they have the luxury of such delusion.
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Yeah, he deserves on of those slow clap gifs for that.
To push, aren’t most American Jews left wingers? Or is it just several high profile ones that lead many of us in WASP, USA to get that impression? This is very confusing to me as to why the “Well of course you support the Jews in Israel, you live in the Bible belt.” For the most part, American protestants agree on very little with American Jews. Could it be that maybe without the desperate need to fit into the liberal agenda hanging over our moderate-conservative heads that we can actually be the group that comes to the most logical decisions?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So it seems that Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, then broke it with a suicide attack and an abduction.
How does one negotiate with people like this?[/quote]
Nope. They both agreed to a ceasefire, then Israel said ‘despite the ceasefire we will go on destroying and attacking the tunnels, regardless of collateral damage’. Hamas responded.
You can’t. There declared agenda is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews.
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Nope. The majority of the world’s Jewish population lives outside Israel, and does not want to live in Israel. There are about about 6.5 million Jews in Israel, 5.5 million Jews in the USA, and about 6.5 million Jews in Europe (inc Russia).
Hamas has no designs on Western Europe, Eastern Europe, America or Russia; nor in the Jews that live there. Hamas is against Zionism which is not actually believed to the extent they live it by most Jews.
This is what you Israel supporters just don’t get - Israel is not in any way representative of the worlds Jews and not even where most of them live or want to live!
You can’t. There declared agenda is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews.
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Nope. The majority of the world’s Jewish population lives outside Israel, and does not want to live in Israel. There are about about 6.5 million Jews in Israel, 5.5 million Jews in the USA, and about 6.5 million Jews in Europe (inc Russia).
Hamas has no designs on Western Europe, Eastern Europe, America or Russia; nor in the Jews that live there. Hamas is against Zionism which is not actually believed to the extent they live it by most Jews.
This is what you Israel supporters just don’t get - Israel is not in any way representative of the worlds Jews and not even where most of them live or want to live!
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Wow, I am impressed with your mobility you had to duck so low to miss that point. It almost got you.
Do you at least admit that the goal of Hamas is the genocide of Jews living in Israel? And how do you feel about that?
If by capitalist you mean corrupt, of course it is. Unfortunately most Americans don’t have much insight into domestic politics in Israel, but essentially it is all about sex, bribery, criminality and corruption. More like Italian politics than anywhere else. And they export this abroad, they are the 4th most aggressive country spying against America, and most of this is commercial espionage. Israel Won't Stop Spying on the U.S.
Israel may be patriotic but only because it is under threat. One reason the Israeli elites are interested in manufacturing conflicts with the countries surrounding it and the countries it part occupies is that Israel is very much an immigrant society which could fracture pretty quickly in peacetime. Not only that, but the religious divides are deep seated and a matter of constant tension (although again this is suspended by war).
You ignored the evidence in the link because you can’t take the idea that Israel is wrong, and would be identified as such if it weren’t for the money. [/quote]
Um, now. I ignored your drivel because I’m no 20 years old anymore, and I’m not as enamored with my own superior enlightenment as you are with yours.
I’m an old ass man that has seen enough shit to know that war really isn’t the Hollywood movie you watched, the bullshit you parrot mindlessly from the leftist professor you worshiped or the inane and insane propaganda the media spits out. I understand that war is messy, violent, unpredictable, course, harsh, evil and generally one of the most unpleasant situations mankind finds itself in.
Who is “wrong” in your sheltered world of ignored history and perspective is irrelevant to me, or anyone on the ground. The concept of “wrong” as it comes out of your mouth is irrelevant, because you’re head is so dizzy from leaping from reason to reason, fallacy to fallacy to try and defend your position here that no one cares. You’ve exhausted any chance that anyone here is taking any of your million different approaches at this point serious.
If by capitalist you mean corrupt, of course it is. Unfortunately most Americans don’t have much insight into domestic politics in Israel, but essentially it is all about sex, bribery, criminality and corruption. More like Italian politics than anywhere else. And they export this abroad, they are the 4th most aggressive country spying against America, and most of this is commercial espionage. Israel Won't Stop Spying on the U.S.
Israel may be patriotic but only because it is under threat. One reason the Israeli elites are interested in manufacturing conflicts with the countries surrounding it and the countries it part occupies is that Israel is very much an immigrant society which could fracture pretty quickly in peacetime. Not only that, but the religious divides are deep seated and a matter of constant tension (although again this is suspended by war).
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And just how have you come to this superior state of understanding of Israeli politics beyond that of Americans?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So it seems that Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, then broke it with a suicide attack and an abduction.
How does one negotiate with people like this?[/quote]
Nope. They both agreed to a ceasefire, then Israel said ‘despite the ceasefire we will go on destroying and attacking the tunnels, regardless of collateral damage’. Hamas responded. [/quote]
In fairness the Israelis did not stop shelling Gaza during this supposed ceasefire. Neither side had any intention of obeying it.
You can’t. There declared agenda is the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews.
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Nope. The majority of the world’s Jewish population lives outside Israel, and does not want to live in Israel. There are about about 6.5 million Jews in Israel, 5.5 million Jews in the USA, and about 6.5 million Jews in Europe (inc Russia).
Hamas has no designs on Western Europe, Eastern Europe, America or Russia; nor in the Jews that live there. Hamas is against Zionism which is not actually believed to the extent they live it by most Jews.
This is what you Israel supporters just don’t get - Israel is not in any way representative of the worlds Jews and not even where most of them live or want to live!
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Wow, I am impressed with your mobility you had to duck so low to miss that point. It almost got you.
Do you at least admit that the goal of Hamas is the genocide of Jews living in Israel? And how do you feel about that?
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Nope, they would far prefer them to go back to the country they came from.
And as I’ve said earlier in this thread, Hamas only call for violence because the Israelis will not give a fair two state solution through peaceful negotiations. Just as the ANC resorted to terrorism, because the Boers were never going to give up their power unless their hand was forced.
You ignored the evidence in the link because you can’t take the idea that Israel is wrong, and would be identified as such if it weren’t for the money. [/quote]
Um, now. I ignored your drivel because I’m no 20 years old anymore, and I’m not as enamored with my own superior enlightenment as you are with yours.
I’m an old ass man that has seen enough shit to know that war really isn’t the Hollywood movie you watched, the bullshit you parrot mindlessly from the leftist professor you worshiped or the inane and insane propaganda the media spits out. I understand that war is messy, violent, unpredictable, course, harsh, evil and generally one of the most unpleasant situations mankind finds itself in.
Who is “wrong” in your sheltered world of ignored history and perspective is irrelevant to me, or anyone on the ground. The concept of “wrong” as it comes out of your mouth is irrelevant, because you’re head is so dizzy from leaping from reason to reason, fallacy to fallacy to try and defend your position here that no one cares. You’ve exhausted any chance that anyone here is taking any of your million different approaches at this point serious. [/quote]
More about you, nothing about the facts. Well done.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So it seems that Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, then broke it with a suicide attack and an abduction.
How does one negotiate with people like this?[/quote]
Nope. They both agreed to a ceasefire, then Israel said ‘despite the ceasefire we will go on destroying and attacking the tunnels, regardless of collateral damage’. Hamas responded. [/quote]
Was that you that Beans was calling a clown?
If so, it certainly fits.
EVERY account of the ceasefire says Israel was allowed to destroy tunnels within its territory.
At least act like you know what you’re talking about next time.
Clown.[/quote]
Did the ceasefire allow Israel to keep shelling Gaza as well? Funny sort of ceasefire.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So it seems that Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, then broke it with a suicide attack and an abduction.
How does one negotiate with people like this?[/quote]
Nope. They both agreed to a ceasefire, then Israel said ‘despite the ceasefire we will go on destroying and attacking the tunnels, regardless of collateral damage’. Hamas responded. [/quote]
Was that you that Beans was calling a clown?
If so, it certainly fits.
EVERY account of the ceasefire says Israel was allowed to destroy tunnels within its territory.
At least act like you know what you’re talking about next time.
Clown.[/quote]
I didn’t say Israel was attacking the tunnels ‘within its territory’. I said Israel was attacking the tunnels.