Escalation in Israel

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.

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Americans have no need to be alarmed. The fact is there are 100s of millions of Muslims in the Middle East who control almost all the natural resources. In contrast, there are about 6 million Jews in the Middle East. Americans will get more out of siding with the Muslims than the Israeli’s tbh.[/quote]

Even if a large portion of those Muslims hate America just as much as Israel??[/quote]

And why would they ‘hate’ America? Perhaps because America does hateful things to them? I think you are so rooted in an American world view that you cannot conceive how the world might look for anyone else.

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They hate us because we do not bow to the will of Allah…you have never read any of the Koran have you?

They will not stop until the world is under Muslim control.

They hate Jews and Christians…Israel and the U.S. just happen to have the most of both.

Oh and we let our bitches walk around in shorts, AND LET THEM VOTE.

/GASP[/quote]

We just haven’t figured out how to deal with one when she gets out of line.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.

Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?

I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.[/quote]

Obama is an atheist who pretends to be a Christian and he’s from the New Left, with old left(Marxist/Communist) influences. Like all on the hard left he views things through the lens of marxism like the hard left kook professors he hung around with so victims of persecution become the perpetrators, allies become enemies, traitors become patriots. If you want to know how Obama’s mind works think of a book by Howard Zinn or Ward Churchill or Noam Chomsky. A frightening descent into madness.

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Obama is not left wing. Obama is a parlimentary/congressional political figure.
Left wing has its own spectrum and right wing has its own spectrum

Left wing spectrum:

Anarchism/Libertarian-councilist-democratic socialists-social democratic-electoral socialism-state socialism

Right wing spectrum:

Anarchism/Libertarian-minimalist-electoral statist-state capitalist

Obama is the second highest level of Authoritarian on the right wing side. Him having liberal views on homosexuality and race do not somehow remove the fact he is the president of the worlds largest capitalist super power, has control over military actions and drone strikes in wars no leftist would ever support and has made no attempts to fundamentally change the economic system.

Regulation is not a left wing thing. it is a centralist thing. Both right wing and left wing economics can be pro regulation and pro higher tax higher welfare. Both left and right can be for zero regulation and zero taxation.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Americans need to be alarmed by what Obama?s actions on behalf of Hamas reveal about the general direction of American Middle East policy under his leadership.
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I just wonder what his motivation is.

Religious? Secular? Anti-Western? Political? Anti-Semitic?

I’m leaning political, since the base of the Democrat Party are blacks and the radical left, both of which are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.[/quote]

Obama is an atheist who pretends to be a Christian and he’s from the New Left, with old left(Marxist/Communist) influences. Like all on the hard left he views things through the lens of marxism like the hard left kook professors he hung around with so victims of persecution become the perpetrators, allies become enemies, traitors become patriots. If you want to know how Obama’s mind works think of a book by Howard Zinn or Ward Churchill or Noam Chomsky. A frightening descent into madness.[/quote]

Atheists holding high political office should not be a concerning phenomenon. Atheists (or other freethinkers) being forced to shroud their personal philosophies to be electorally competitive, however, is.

While Marx was ultimately wrong about Communism supplanting capitalism as an economic and social model, his work and that of his followers is not wholly worthless. For example, the Frankfurt school’s Critical Theory is an increasingly valuable methodological tool within the social sciences. The scientific method, of the positivist tradition, often leads to theories underpinned by reification which often hold limited analytical utility.

You do realize that the U.S. is replinishing the IDF’s munitions?

Regardless, the administration’s foreign policy toward southwest Asia is hardly what you characterize it to be. Bush authorized 50 drone strikes throughout his two terms. Obama? Over 400 in his first term. He’s hardly opposed to the prudent use of hard power.

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[quote]Bismark wrote:

Atheists holding high political office should not be a concerning phenomenon. Atheists (or other freethinkers) being forced to shroud their personal philosophies to be electorally competitive, however, is.

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He’s not “forced to shroud” his beliefs. He chooses to cynically exploit the churches. This was a tactic used and taught by his ideological father figure Saul Alinsky.

Critical theory is a tool for warping history and the present to make it fit a particular false narrative.

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Any Americans wondering why most of your elected representatives support Israel… it is because support from Israel gets them given a lot of money from pro-Israel Jews, which is then used to campaign for your votes. Take the right position on Israel and you can raise 1/4 million, Senate candidate is advised – Mondoweiss

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[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:
Obama is not left wing.[/quote]

Your perspective on the matter is noted. It is total garbage, but noted just the same.

[quote] Left wing has its own spectrum and right wing has its own spectrum

Left wing spectrum:

Anarchism/Libertarian-councilist-democratic socialists-social democratic-electoral socialism-state socialism

Right wing spectrum:

Anarchism/Libertarian-minimalist-electoral statist-state capitalist[/quote]

Complete garbage. Let me try and explain:

Left extreme: focus on collective, planned “markets”, central control, government dictation of action

right extreme: focus on individual, free markets, no control (no rule of law even), government consists of the individual for the individual

Then there a whole bunch of shit in the middle. (doublegood protip: the sweet spot for everything is somewhere between the two points.)

Not even remotely close from an American perspective. He is a war monger and is into taking away rights, like the president before him, but he certainly isn’t even close to “right wing”.

Classically liberal. However in 2008 he shared the same views as all the other democrats that voted for DOMA.

So his views are unknown, he does what wins hi votes from his base.

Race does NOT have a political view, and this proves you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. Any race can be at any point in the spectrum, racist ideas can come from anyone on the left or the right.

You’re backwards. Just because he is president of all these things doesn’t change what his fundamental beliefs are, which we’ll never know because again everything he does, 100% of it, is to win votes for himself and his party.

War isn’t particularly biased on the political spectrum either. War mongers can come from either side. All it takes is different propaganda to convince the electorate to go along with it.

lmao… This is moronic and laughably uninformed.

Forcing the entire country to purchase a product from massive 3rd party conglomerates that donated to his campaign through rule of law is certainly, unequivocally and without question a fundamental change to the economic system.

Whatever moonbat professor told you this bullshit needs to be fired. I assume he has tenure though.

Regulation is nothing more than law. Rule of law. You don’t have to be “centrist” to have rule of law, but this is the only thing you’ve said so far that approaches truth.
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[quote]Both right wing and left wing economics can be pro regulation and pro higher tax higher welfare. Both left and right can be for zero regulation and zero taxation.

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Swing and a miss. Try again skip.

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[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Any Americans wondering why most of your elected representatives support Israel…
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This isn’t even the fucking truth anymore, and you continue to be a clown.

Israel gets its highest amounts of support from Republicans, those who typically identify as “conservative” and American Jews.

Democrats and those to tend to identify as “liberals” typically side with Palestine.

American Jews vote for Democrats at an outrageous clip.

Please stop trying to talk about things you don’t have the first clue about.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

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Like the prison takes care of the lights everywhere? Or do some prisons have prisoner maintainted facilities where they themselves pay the running costs?[/quote]

Although the situation can be said to resemble a prison, it was not the point for Israels withdrawal from Gaza. It’s the result of a process. The embargo is not there to make gazans miserable, is it? It’s aim is to prevent Hamas from using the goods for their own aims. The result resembles a prison a la Carpenters Escape from New York, but the mechanics behind it are totally different.[/quote]

It was created originally to keep Hamas suicide bombers away from Israeli citizens. Am I correct about this? Jewbacca?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
doublegood [/quote]

You should get a hundred internet points for the use of “doublegood”.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Everyone condemns Israel for the bombardment of Gaza, but the solution to this would have been so simple it’s mind boggling. If the Palestinians are serious about ending the fight with Israel, wouldn’t they have arrested the ones responsible for killing the 3 teens and sentence them to death?

If it were any other civilized country in the world, they would do this. But the Palestinians stand behind the killers so Israel’s military reaction should not surprise them or any one else.[/quote]

Israel could have easily arrested these people as well . It would have taken no more than a presence like they used to have .

Does any one even know the identity of the killer or killers ?
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You’re making two contradictory arguments:

  1. That Gaza is a “prison” due to the fact that Israel tries to stop explosives and munitions being smuggled in. Never mind the fact that Israel is a small strip of land, backed onto the sea with its industrial core dotted along its length surrounded by states waging war against them and posing an existential threat. Remember the battle of the bulge? Take a look at the West Bank on a map. There are no “67 borders.” The West Bank is the result of an incursion. It’s a line of demarcation. Any other country on earth would have annexed the West Bank.

  2. That the Israelis should reoccupy Gaza. If Gaza is a “prison” when its borders are monitored by contiguous states seeking to restrict its rearmament, what does it become when occupied and administered by the Israelis?

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Fuck israel and fuck the jews.
They’re corrupting Christians morals in America and Europe through media propoganda (race mixing, faggotry, rap music, gang related, ect)
While they attack the Muslims head on with brute force through their military or ours. Why do you think the US has had its nose stuck in the middle east for so long… please have a look at this

http://www.dailystormer.com/comprehensive-lists-of-the-jews-who-dominate-us/

too conspiracy - ish for you fellas at tnation?

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Fuck israel and fuck the jews.
They’re corrupting Christians morals in America and Europe through media propoganda (race mixing, faggotry, rap music, gang related, ect)
While they attack the Muslims head with brute force through their military or ours. Why do you think the US has had its nose stuck in the middle east for so long… please have a look at this

http://www.dailystormer.com/comprehensive-lists-of-the-jews-who-dominate-us/

too conspiracy - ish for you fellas at tnation?

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:

too conspiracy - ish for you fellas at tnation?[/quote]

Nah, too /pol though (read juvenile)

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[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
Any Americans wondering why most of your elected representatives support Israel… it is because support from Israel gets them given a lot of money from pro-Israel Jews, which is then used to campaign for your votes. Take the right position on Israel and you can raise 1/4 million, Senate candidate is advised – Mondoweiss

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Again, Realpolitik strongly incentivizes the U.S. to be closely aligned with the state of Israel economically, diplomatically, and militarily.

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Fuck israel and fuck the jews.
They’re corrupting Christians morals in America and Europe through media propoganda (race mixing, faggotry, rap music, gang related, ect)
While they attack the Muslims head on with brute force through their military or ours. Why do you think the US has had its nose stuck in the middle east for so long… please have a look at this

http://www.dailystormer.com/comprehensive-lists-of-the-jews-who-dominate-us/

too conspiracy - ish for you fellas at tnation?[/quote]

Yeah but the problem is we’ve got a Zionist Occupied Government. What do you think of Ron Paul? I like his ideas on foreign policy. And he’s against mudshark race mixing too even though he’s forced to hide his beliefs to an extent because of the Jews.

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Fuck israel and fuck the jews.
They’re corrupting Christians morals in America and Europe through media propoganda (race mixing, faggotry, rap music, gang related, ect)
While they attack the Muslims head with brute force through their military or ours. Why do you think the US has had its nose stuck in the middle east for so long… please have a look at this

http://www.dailystormer.com/comprehensive-lists-of-the-jews-who-dominate-us/

too conspiracy - ish for you fellas at tnation?[/quote]

Ausgezeichnet! A pea brained pseudo Neo-Nazi is among us.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Fuck israel and fuck the jews.
They’re corrupting Christians morals in America and Europe through media propoganda (race mixing, faggotry, rap music, gang related, ect)
While they attack the Muslims head on with brute force through their military or ours. Why do you think the US has had its nose stuck in the middle east for so long… please have a look at this

http://www.dailystormer.com/comprehensive-lists-of-the-jews-who-dominate-us/

too conspiracy - ish for you fellas at tnation?[/quote]

Yeah but the problem is we’ve got a Zionist Occupied Government. What do you think of Ron Paul? I like his ideas on foreign policy. And he’s against mudshark race mixing too even though he’s forced to hide his beliefs to an extent because of the Jews.[/quote]

Hahaha.