[quote]pittbulll wrote:
no mention of your accusations , do you have a creditable link ?[/quote]
Like…to a cartoon?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
no mention of your accusations , do you have a creditable link ?[/quote]
Wow, do they not have Google in your parallel universe?
Etc.
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He attends an Orphan Development fund ? Has a Picture taken with a Former Muslim Brotherhood . Oh my that is so terrible .
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You’re a silly person, and untruthful, and clearly didn’t read the articles.
But you are a useful foil for exposing anti-Semites for what they are.[/quote]
I read the Washington Times article , I am not going to read 7 articles .
If there is one damning article , by all means post it
the only objection I could see is that he wore a scarf
I have tried to find any other references to this scarf but the only ones were by Shoebat .
That seems to be his translation , We are coming and from Sea to Sea . I know I like to read between the lines but even if these claims are true , what is the issue . Or is it that he is just sympathetic to Palestine
The Egyptians aren’t too happy about Obama’s terror network:
" Malik Obama has become a target in an Egyptian government terrorist investigation because of his role as an owner and investment adviser for the Sudan-based Islamic Dawa Organization and the organization?s umbrella group, the Muslim Brotherhood.
…a criminal complaint cited Malik for managing funds for both the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Islamic Dawa Organization in Sudan, which has been designated by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist state.
In November…Egyptian lawyers filed criminal terrorism charges in the International Criminal Court against President Obama, in addition to the criminal terrorism charges previously filed in Egyptian courts against Malik.
The documents were entered as evidence in the criminal trials of former Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi and other top Muslim Brotherhood leaders.
…in August that the vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Egypt gave a speech and participated in an interview on Egyptian television identifying Malik Obama as ?a major architect? managing investments for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt."
https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
Good explanation of non-religious reasons to support Israel.
[quote]doogie wrote:
https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
Good explanation of non-religious reasons to support Israel.[/quote]
I personally support Israel , I just think the way it is going about things are not the best way to do it .
America calls it nation building , Israel should do that . Now they are doing half of it and rather than kick down doors and risk harm they are killing more innocent than guilty .
Israel is definitely worth supporting but not with out criticism of bad policy
“…We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us…”
Golda Meir
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]BPCorso wrote:
The Muslim world/perception of reality is not my world. It is not my reality.
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Actually, there are more than a few stupid bigots in the Muslim world, so you might be surprised.[/quote]
Just pointing out that the quote from smh_23 is not my post but from the person I was also quoting and responding to. And I agree with smh_23’s sentiment.[/quote]
Your replies tell us more about yourselves than about me.
No one else jumped with the heavy hammer of judgement and condemnation on my “alleged” person like the both you.
It is so easy to expose the mental illness that grips this country.
Have a nice day playing god.
It has been a pleasure to coexist with you,too.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gerrard08 wrote:
Israel knows exactly what will happen when it drops bombs on hospitals, schools, kids playing soccer on the beach or childcare facilities, to think otherwise is either extremely naive or just fucking stupid.
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More correctly, Hamas knows exactly what will happen when it: (1) intentionally locates its missile batteries on hospitals, schools, kids playing soccer on the beach or childcare facilities; (2) forces the civilians not to leave so as to act as human shields, even after Israel warns them (by calling every cell phone in the strike area) that an attack is coming.
Explanatory picture attached for liberal arts majors.[/quote]
Is this the same Pitbull who is a 5’2" Latino rapper that wears tight pink britches and looks like he should be selling time-shares in Miami??
It is, and he puts as much thought into his foreign policy as he does his songs.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gerrard08 wrote:
There isn’t any evidence that Hamas is stopping people from leaving their homes, how could they? is Hamas omni-present, everywhere and nowhere at the same? bullshit
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Radical Islam will never stop, never surrender…they will keep fighting till the Little Satan and the Big Satan are eliminated.
Anybody who thinks peace is possible with these people is INSANE.[/quote]
Just some information.
" The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a not for profit press monitoring organization with headquarters in Washington, D.C. MEMRI publishes and distributes free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish media reports.[1] The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born, American political scientist. MEMRI states that its goal is to “bridge the language gap that exists between the Middle East and the West”. Critics charge that it aims to portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, through the production and dissemination of inaccurate translations and by selectively translating views of extremists while deemphasizing or ignoring mainstream opinions." ( Wikipedia.org/Middle east media Research institute. 28/07-2014 )
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gerrard08 wrote:
There isn’t any evidence that Hamas is stopping people from leaving their homes, how could they? is Hamas omni-present, everywhere and nowhere at the same? bullshit
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Radical Islam will never stop, never surrender…they will keep fighting till the Little Satan and the Big Satan are eliminated.
Anybody who thinks peace is possible with these people is INSANE.[/quote]
Just some information.
" The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a not for profit press monitoring organization with headquarters in Washington, D.C. MEMRI publishes and distributes free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish media reports.[1] The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born, American political scientist. MEMRI states that its goal is to “bridge the language gap that exists between the Middle East and the West”. Critics charge that it aims to portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, through the production and dissemination of inaccurate translations and by selectively translating views of extremists while deemphasizing or ignoring mainstream opinions." ( Wikipedia.org/Middle east media Research institute. 28/07-2014 )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute[/quote]
Okay, Waffen.
@Brother Chris: By waffen I understand you are complimenting me on my fine arms, well thank you sir!
How Hamas Won
http://m.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141647/ariel-ilan-roth/how-hamas-won
Summary:
Israel’s tactical achievements against Hamas can’t be minimized. But they do not equal a strategic victory. War, as Clausewitz famously taught, is the continuation of politics by other means. Wars are fought to realign politics in a way that benefits the victor and is detrimental to the loser. But the Israelis have lost sight of this distinction.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
How Hamas Won
http://m.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141647/ariel-ilan-roth/how-hamas-won
Summary:
Israel’s tactical achievements against Hamas can’t be minimized. But they do not equal a strategic victory. War, as Clausewitz famously taught, is the continuation of politics by other means. Wars are fought to realign politics in a way that benefits the victor and is detrimental to the loser. But the Israelis have lost sight of this distinction.[/quote]
Since you have to register in order to read the article, please explain it further for those of us who do not wish to do so. Thanks.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
How Hamas Won
http://m.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141647/ariel-ilan-roth/how-hamas-won
Summary:
Israel’s tactical achievements against Hamas can’t be minimized. But they do not equal a strategic victory. War, as Clausewitz famously taught, is the continuation of politics by other means. Wars are fought to realign politics in a way that benefits the victor and is detrimental to the loser. But the Israelis have lost sight of this distinction.[/quote]
Since you have to register in order to read the article, please explain it further for those of us who do not wish to do so. Thanks.
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No matter how and when the conflict between Hamas and Israel ends, two things are certain. The first is that Israel will be able to claim a tactical victory. The second is that it will have suffered a strategic defeat.
At the tactical level, the success of the Iron Dome missile defense system has kept Israeli casualties near zero and significantly reduced the material damage from the rockets fired from Gaza. Israelâ??s ground invasion, launched on Thursday, will also reap rewards. Indeed, it already has: Israeli forces have exposed and destroyed several Hamas tunnels, including some that were intended to allow cross-border activity into Israel and others that facilitated the movement of goods, ammunition, and militants within Gaza itself.
Such tactical achievements should not be minimized. But they do not equal a strategic victory. War, as Clausewitz famously taught, is the continuation of politics by other means. Wars are fought to realign politics in a way that benefits the victor and is detrimental to the loser. But the Israelis have lost sight of this distinction.
In fact, Israel has a history of claiming victory when in fact it has suffered defeat; the October 1973 war is the best example. Israel claimed that it had won because its forces ended their war on the western side of the Suez Canal with Egyptian forces partially encircled behind them. The reality is that Egypt achieved the strategic victory. All along, Egyptian President Anwar al-Sadatâ??s objective was to seize and hold some territory in order to dislodge stuck political negotiations and, ultimately, recover the occupied Sinai Peninsula for Egypt. Sadat got what he wanted.
Israelis might believe that, even though they are not likely to see a political realignment at the end of this war, at least Hamas wonâ??t have achieved its own strategic objectives. The absence of large numbers of Israeli fatalities, the thinking goes, is a mark of Hamasâ?? failure. But Israelis are wrong there, too. Killing large numbers of Israelis would be a treat for Hamas, but it is not vital to the groupâ??s definition of strategic success.
Hamasâ?? strategic objective is to shatter Israelâ??s sense of normalcy. It is only possible for Israel to exist as a flourishing and prosperous democracy under the garrisoned conditions of persistent conflict when its citizens are able to maintain the illusion that their lives are more or less similar to what they would aspire to have in London, Paris, or New York. With that illusion destroyed, several outcomes are possible, none of which are good for Israel. Despairing of the possibility of peace, small numbers of Israeli Jews may decide to emigrate. More likely is that disagreements over how to handle the Palestinian problem will deepen, sowing discord within Israeli society and undermining the core Israeli narrative based on the justice of Zionism. Cohesion around that narrative has been a key motivating force for making the sacrifices and facing the dangers that life in Israel often entails, including the long, compulsory military service that is a fact of life for most Israeli Jews. Although these internal fissures will not bring Israel to its knees, any erosion of Israeli power – including the power of the populationâ??s will – is a win for Hamas.
Israel has long been eager to thwart the expansion of the influence of Islamist resistance organizations that they see as determinedly more implacable foes. Consider that the first Intifada, from 1987Â to 1993, led to the weakening of the secular Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and to the rise of dangerous and militant organizations such as Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The threat of these Islamist organizations motivated Israeli leaders Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres to bolster the failing fortunes of PLO leader Yasir Arafat and embark on the Oslo peace process, which, had it succeeded, would have been a dead end for Hamas.
Indeed it was the violence of the second Intifada, which destroyed nearly 1,000 Israeli lives between 2001 and 2004 through wave upon wave of suicide attacks in the heart of Israelâ??s major cities, which caused Israeli citizensâ?? confidence to buckle and ultimately persuaded them to support a unilateral withdrawal of citizens and settlements from Gaza. They hoped the move would appease Palestinian wrath. It did not.
The persistent, low level rocketing of Israelâ??s southern cities since Israel withdrew from Gaza has not caused enough disruption in the rest of Israel to bring Hamas any strategic benefits. In other words, Hamasâ?? attacks on the border cities have not stopped most Israelis from going about their daily business in near-total obliviousness to the political and humanitarian condition of the Palestinians in Gaza.
This new round of violence, on the other hand, has caused enormous disruption. Rockets fired from Gaza have triggered warning sirens in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Beer Sheva – all of Israelâ??s major cities – and points in between as well. Those rockets havenâ??t killed any people thus far, but they have sent almost everyone scrambling for shelter several times a day and shattered the illusion that what happens â??thereâ?? does not affect life â??here.â??
That would be enough for Hamas to declare victory. But the group has been racking up additional strategic benefits as well. First, the disproportionate number of casualties in Israel and Gaza has made Israel appear, at least to many Western eyes, as the aggressor, even though Hamas shot first this time around. Second, the Iron Dome has made covering the story within Israel boring for outside journalists. â??Rocket goes off, rocket gets intercepted, life goes onâ?? is not an exciting story. Israelâ??s retaliations, which level Gazaâ??s unreinforced buildings and leave behind mangled bodies, sell more newspapers. And so, the world has focused on Gaza. Israelâ??s friends may bemoan that as unfair – Israel is being punished for successfully defending its citizens, while Hamas leaves its own vulnerable. But that misses the point. War is not an exercise in fairness, but in the attainment of strategic objectives.
And, on that score, Hamas has already won. It has shattered the necessary illusion for Israelis that a political stalemate with the Palestinians is cost-free for Israel. It has shown Israelis that, even if the Palestinians cannot kill them, they can extract a heavy psychological price. It has also raised the profile of the Palestinian cause and reinforced the perception that the Palestinians are weak victims standing against a powerful aggressor. Down the road, that feeling is sure to be translated into pressure on Israel, perhaps by politicians and certainly by social movements whose objective is to isolate Israel politically and damage it through economic boycotts.
There are still those who will fantasize that this defeat will come with the same silver lining as Israelâ??s loss in 1973. Although Sadatâ??s attacks on Israelis in the Sinai shattered the feeling of invincibility that Israelis had nurtured since the end of the 1967 war, the war at least resulted in the Camp David accords and a durable, if cold, peace that has underwritten Israelâ??s regional security since the late 1970s. Perhaps Hamasâ?? strategic victory in this conflict will yield similar dividends for Israel down the road. However, such an outcome seems quite unlikely. Sadat had concrete objectives, namely the re-opening of the Suez Canal and the return of the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt – objectives that were reconcilable with Israelâ??s own needs. Hamas, on the other hand, calls for Israelâ??s elimination, an objective that leaves scant room for negotiation.
In the end, this round will go to the Palestinians, as did the previous major round of fighting in 2008. Focusing on tactical success should not blind Israel to the dangers it faces from these repeated strategic defeats. There is not much that Israel can do to change Hamasâ?? behavior. What it must do, however, to prevent Hamas from capitalizing on its strategic success is to remind contemporary Israelis of what their early leaders knew all too well. As Moshe Dayan, an Israeli army chief of staff and later defense minister, said, â??â??We know that in order for their [the Arab] hope of annihilating us to die away, it is incumbent on us – morning and night – to be armed and ready.â?? The challenge for Israel is to maintain that state of readiness while at the same time making the humane and appropriate choices that ensure its security, enhance Israelâ??s attractiveness as a strategic and commercial partner for Western nations, and maintain its internal social cohesion over the long haul. This trifecta may seem impossible, but the first 19 years of Israelâ??s national existence suggest otherwise.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gerrard08 wrote:
There isn’t any evidence that Hamas is stopping people from leaving their homes, how could they? is Hamas omni-present, everywhere and nowhere at the same? bullshit
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Radical Islam will never stop, never surrender…they will keep fighting till the Little Satan and the Big Satan are eliminated.
Anybody who thinks peace is possible with these people is INSANE.[/quote]
Just some information.
" The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a not for profit press monitoring organization with headquarters in Washington, D.C. MEMRI publishes and distributes free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish media reports.[1] The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born, American political scientist. MEMRI states that its goal is to “bridge the language gap that exists between the Middle East and the West”. Critics charge that it aims to portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, through the production and dissemination of inaccurate translations and by selectively translating views of extremists while deemphasizing or ignoring mainstream opinions." ( Wikipedia.org/Middle east media Research institute. 28/07-2014 )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute[/quote]
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And who are these “critics?” Norman Finkelstein, Ken Livingstone and a journalist from the UK Guardian.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Is there any limit to the term of the ruling party in Gaza? On paper.[/quote]
http://www.elections.ps/tabid/738/language/en-US/Default.aspx#1
If I read it right local elections should be held every four years. Ch 2 article 4.
[quote]doogie wrote:
https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
Good explanation of non-religious reasons to support Israel.[/quote]
Great article - sums up my position on why I support Israel just about perfectly