Escalation in Israel II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

I think it’s apparent who’s intelligence and critical thinking is low.[/quote]

I continue to be baffled by the inability of stupid people to understand that grammar and spelling, if they ever matter at all, matter when the intelligence of someone else is being questioned.[/quote]

It’s one of the vexing ironies of life that stupid people are always the least likely to realize just how stupid they are.[/quote]

Yeah because me typing on my phone and not giving a fuck about the grammar really proves my intelligence cock suckers.[/quote]

Typing on your phone could be an excuse for a typographical error. But your error was not typographical. Adding an apostrophe to “whose” and leaving off the “e” is not a typo. It’s a spelling/grammatical error. There is a direct correlation between grammatical proficiency in one’s native tongue to their proficiency in logic. That’s why the trivium is supposed to be taught in a certain order: grammar then logic then rhetoric. For a demonstration of this correlation see any of the posts by “pittbulll.”[/quote]

No it simply means I was using my swype and I didn’t care, investigator. I’ll have you know English is my 3rd language. Grammar Nazi. So much for your incoherent worthless ramble. & lol to anyone who swings off his nuts.

P.s. I passed English 101 with flying colors [/quote]

I didn’t realise English isn’t your first language. What is your first language?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

That’s terrible. Why does the US government give them arms? Is it just spiteful meddling or is there some Zionist shadow government pulling the strings?[/quote]

I honestly don’t know. I’m not a believer in the Zionist shadow government bullshit myself. I suspect that it is because the US has painted itself so far into the pro-Israel corner that it can’t backtrack even as the Israeli regime gets more and more brutal, the attacks on and seige of Gaza get more violent and the occupation and ethnic cleansing in the West bank gets more terrible. “The price of doing business in US politics is supporting Israel”.

Meanwhile Israel has bombed: some teenagers watching the world cup at a cafe (sissy European football anyway); some kids playing on a beach (probably training for an assault on Israel); three UN schools; a power station; some factories (ice cream is bad for you after all); farm animals (I mean really those cows must have been a major military threat); a TV station; a radio station; lot’s of people’s flats; an old people’s home etc. And all this with US made weapons.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]smh_23 wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

I think it’s apparent who’s intelligence and critical thinking is low.[/quote]

I continue to be baffled by the inability of stupid people to understand that grammar and spelling, if they ever matter at all, matter when the intelligence of someone else is being questioned.[/quote]

It’s one of the vexing ironies of life that stupid people are always the least likely to realize just how stupid they are.[/quote]

Yeah because me typing on my phone and not giving a fuck about the grammar really proves my intelligence cock suckers.[/quote]

Typing on your phone could be an excuse for a typographical error. But your error was not typographical. Adding an apostrophe to “whose” and leaving off the “e” is not a typo. It’s a spelling/grammatical error. There is a direct correlation between grammatical proficiency in one’s native tongue to their proficiency in logic. That’s why the trivium is supposed to be taught in a certain order: grammar then logic then rhetoric. For a demonstration of this correlation see any of the posts by “pittbulll.”[/quote]

No it simply means I was using my swype and I didn’t care, investigator. I’ll have you know English is my 3rd language. Grammar Nazi. So much for your incoherent worthless ramble. & lol to anyone who swings off his nuts.

P.s. I passed English 101 with flying colors [/quote]

I didn’t realise English isn’t your first language. What is your first language?[/quote]

Judging by his earlier posts racism, bigotry and Anti-Semitism.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

If you think I owe you an apology , You can kiss my ass :slight_smile:

[/quote]I didn’t ask you for an apology, did I? I really don’t give a fuck about what you think because I don’t respect your opinion.[quote]

Conservatives would have killed you or cut off your offending (what ever )

[/quote]Yeah, OK. I’m pretty sure that if I broke the law when Reagan was in office (instead of Clinton) that the results of my “misadventure” would have been substantially the same… [quote]

I am sorry we did not give you an education while you were living on “OUR” dime :slight_smile: Do not feel bad I have spent $6000 in the last 3 years for my new vocation

[/quote]Again, I didn’t ask for your fucking apology. I managed to do just fine with out your “help”, thank you very much. [quote]

Lastly , I am not a troll :slight_smile: :slight_smile: Ok maybe every once in a while :slight_smile: [/quote]No shit![quote]

PS: I like you but fuck you :slight_smile:

[/quote]

Fuck you too, ya liberal commie bastard! :slight_smile:
[/quote]

I love you too :slight_smile:

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Try this thought experiment:

  1. Assume as given that human life is not sacred.

  2. Attempt to place a value on someone’s life.

  3. Determine whether you are talking about the value of their continued existence(are you talking about killing them?) or their value as a commodity(Do you intend to sell them?)

To determine 3 requires you to take a creepy utilitarian argument - how much suffering will it cause? How much weight shall I give to that suffering? Well the pleasure I get from the money I make selling them outweigh the guilt I feel for doing so?

These utilitarian arguments really demonstrate why human life is sacred. Everyone knows that’s it morally unsound to make these arguments because everyone intuitively knows they have no right to do so.[/quote]

Did you mix up threads sexmachine?

Looks like it belongs to the “does life has value” thread.[/quote]

Yes, wrong thread. Oops.[/quote]

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Oh okay. Should I support Hamas then? Will that make me a good person?[/quote]

NO Hamas are not nice people (where I come from this translates to scum sucking evil bastards). Blind support of Hamas is similar to blind support of the Israeli right wing government. They are both determined to destroy the other and neither place any value on the lives of the other.
[/quote]

You mean they’re killing each other? Like a war or something? That’s terrible. How long has this been going on?[/quote]

Since 1947. The difference is that the US government sends both money and arms to Israel.[/quote]

That’s terrible. Why does the US government give them arms? Is it just spiteful meddling or is there some Zionist shadow government pulling the strings?[/quote]

I think it is a valid point , Israel is fucking rich , why are we giving them money ???

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Try this thought experiment:

  1. Assume as given that human life is not sacred.

  2. Attempt to place a value on someone’s life.

  3. Determine whether you are talking about the value of their continued existence(are you talking about killing them?) or their value as a commodity(Do you intend to sell them?)

To determine 3 requires you to take a creepy utilitarian argument - how much suffering will it cause? How much weight shall I give to that suffering? Well the pleasure I get from the money I make selling them outweigh the guilt I feel for doing so?

These utilitarian arguments really demonstrate why human life is sacred. Everyone knows that’s it morally unsound to make these arguments because everyone intuitively knows they have no right to do so.[/quote]

Did you mix up threads sexmachine?

Looks like it belongs to the “does life has value” thread.[/quote]

Yes, wrong thread. Oops.[/quote]

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Oh okay. Should I support Hamas then? Will that make me a good person?[/quote]

NO Hamas are not nice people (where I come from this translates to scum sucking evil bastards). Blind support of Hamas is similar to blind support of the Israeli right wing government. They are both determined to destroy the other and neither place any value on the lives of the other.
[/quote]

You mean they’re killing each other? Like a war or something? That’s terrible. How long has this been going on?[/quote]

no , they are massacring the innocent

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Try this thought experiment:

  1. Assume as given that human life is not sacred.

  2. Attempt to place a value on someone’s life.

  3. Determine whether you are talking about the value of their continued existence(are you talking about killing them?) or their value as a commodity(Do you intend to sell them?)

To determine 3 requires you to take a creepy utilitarian argument - how much suffering will it cause? How much weight shall I give to that suffering? Well the pleasure I get from the money I make selling them outweigh the guilt I feel for doing so?

These utilitarian arguments really demonstrate why human life is sacred. Everyone knows that’s it morally unsound to make these arguments because everyone intuitively knows they have no right to do so.[/quote]

Did you mix up threads sexmachine?

Looks like it belongs to the “does life has value” thread.[/quote]

Yes, wrong thread. Oops.[/quote]

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Oh okay. Should I support Hamas then? Will that make me a good person?[/quote]

NO Hamas are not nice people (where I come from this translates to scum sucking evil bastards). Blind support of Hamas is similar to blind support of the Israeli right wing government. They are both determined to destroy the other and neither place any value on the lives of the other.
[/quote]

You mean they’re killing each other? Like a war or something? That’s terrible. How long has this been going on?[/quote]

Since 1947. The difference is that the US government sends both money and arms to Israel.[/quote]

That’s terrible. Why does the US government give them arms? Is it just spiteful meddling or is there some Zionist shadow government pulling the strings?[/quote]

I think it is a valid point , Israel is fucking rich , why are we giving them money ???
[/quote]

Why is the US and the international community giving the Palestinians money and weapons? Why is the US funding the UN which sets up radical front groups in the territories under the guise of “educational” and “humanitarian” missions? Why do weapons and explosives keep turning up in UN schools and hospitals? Why are the lives of the Palestinian Arabs more valuable than the lives of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim civilians killed in Syria? Will the hundreds of thousands of Syrians who fled the civil war still be refugees in 2090 with their own UN Department? Why are their lives not important?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Why is the US and the international community giving the Palestinians money and weapons? Why is the US funding the UN which sets up radical front groups in the territories under the guise of “educational” and “humanitarian” missions? Why do weapons and explosives keep turning up in UN schools and hospitals? Why are the lives of the Palestinian Arabs more valuable than the lives of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim civilians killed in Syria? Will the hundreds of thousands of Syrians who fled the civil war still be refugees in 2090 with their own UN Department? Why are their lives not important?[/quote]

I can’t answer all of these questions. But I will try with a couple.

Why does the US give the Palestinians money and weapons? In terms of weapons I am not aware of the US giving the Palestinians any weapons. Nor any other western country. We give them money because we are guilty that our money and our weapons were used to knock their schools, their hospitals and their homes down. We give them fuck all compared to what we give Israel anyway.

Why are the lives of Palestinians worth less than Syrians? They are not all deaths are tragic. The question to me is why should we be more disgusted by the ethnic cleansing and war crimes of the Israelis than ISIS or the Syrian regime? The answer is that Israel is a democratic country. For that reason we should hold them to a far higher standard. To see a rich democracy carry out the crimes that Israel does is tragic.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Try this thought experiment:

  1. Assume as given that human life is not sacred.

  2. Attempt to place a value on someone’s life.

  3. Determine whether you are talking about the value of their continued existence(are you talking about killing them?) or their value as a commodity(Do you intend to sell them?)

To determine 3 requires you to take a creepy utilitarian argument - how much suffering will it cause? How much weight shall I give to that suffering? Well the pleasure I get from the money I make selling them outweigh the guilt I feel for doing so?

These utilitarian arguments really demonstrate why human life is sacred. Everyone knows that’s it morally unsound to make these arguments because everyone intuitively knows they have no right to do so.[/quote]

Did you mix up threads sexmachine?

Looks like it belongs to the “does life has value” thread.[/quote]

Yes, wrong thread. Oops.[/quote]

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Oh okay. Should I support Hamas then? Will that make me a good person?[/quote]

NO Hamas are not nice people (where I come from this translates to scum sucking evil bastards). Blind support of Hamas is similar to blind support of the Israeli right wing government. They are both determined to destroy the other and neither place any value on the lives of the other.
[/quote]

You mean they’re killing each other? Like a war or something? That’s terrible. How long has this been going on?[/quote]

Since 1947. The difference is that the US government sends both money and arms to Israel.[/quote]

That’s terrible. Why does the US government give them arms? Is it just spiteful meddling or is there some Zionist shadow government pulling the strings?[/quote]

I think it is a valid point , Israel is fucking rich , why are we giving them money ???
[/quote]

Why is the US and the international community giving the Palestinians money and weapons? Why is the US funding the UN which sets up radical front groups in the territories under the guise of “educational” and “humanitarian” missions? Why do weapons and explosives keep turning up in UN schools and hospitals? Why are the lives of the Palestinian Arabs more valuable than the lives of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim civilians killed in Syria? Will the hundreds of thousands of Syrians who fled the civil war still be refugees in 2090 with their own UN Department? Why are their lives not important?[/quote]

Personally I get it , even though I may disagree with it . Palestine is fucking poor , Israel is fucking rich

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Funny, I used to support the Palestinians, until Hamas started blowing up civilian buses every other day to stop a peace process between Arafat and Israel. During that period, Israeli civilians took a beating. Where were you then, and what was/is your opinion of this?

this is why they’re living behind walls, man. I find it difficult to support people who have squandered every peace initiative Israel has ever offered and used every concession Israel has made as an excuse to rearm, and attack.
[/quote]

You do know that Rabin, the Israeli Prime Minister, was assassinated by an Israeli? That’s what stopped a comprehensive peace deal.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

I can’t answer all of these questions. But I will try with a couple.

Why does the US give the Palestinians money and weapons? In terms of weapons I am not aware of the US giving the Palestinians any weapons. Nor any other western country.

[/quote]

The US arms the PA security services.

The Palestinians get more international aid than any other people on earth. As I stated, a great deal of US money flows to them via the UN.

[quote]

Why are the lives of Palestinians worth less than Syrians? They are not all deaths are tragic. The question to me is why should we be more disgusted by the ethnic cleansing and war crimes of the Israelis than ISIS or the Syrian regime? The answer is that Israel is a democratic country. For that reason we should hold them to a far higher standard. To see a rich democracy carry out the crimes that Israel does is tragic.[/quote]

We need to hold logic to a higher standard. To equate ISIS to the Israeli government constitutes a massive breakdown in logic. You also talk about Israeli “crimes” - crimes that don’t actually exist outside of your fevered imagination. It’s not really possible to have any kind of meaningful discourse when your argument is predicated on pure fantasy.

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[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Funny, I used to support the Palestinians, until Hamas started blowing up civilian buses every other day to stop a peace process between Arafat and Israel. During that period, Israeli civilians took a beating. Where were you then, and what was/is your opinion of this?

this is why they’re living behind walls, man. I find it difficult to support people who have squandered every peace initiative Israel has ever offered and used every concession Israel has made as an excuse to rearm, and attack.
[/quote]

You do know that Rabin, the Israeli Prime Minister, was assassinated by an Israeli? That’s what stopped a comprehensive peace deal. [/quote]

Rabin was assassinated in 1995, I am speaking about the second Second Intifada between 2000-2005.

Plus the Oslo II agreement was signed on September 28, 1995 and Rabin was assassinated on Nov. 4 so, how did it stop the agreement if it was already signed?

from Wikipedia: “A campaign of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks began on September 29, 2000 and within five years left over 1,068 Israelis dead and over 7,000 injuredâ??69 percent of them civilians. Approximately 3,000 Palestinians were also killed in this conflict.”

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[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

Actually the do human lives have equal values thread has explicit significance to this thread. One cannot support Israel whilst maintaining that human lives have equal value. In order to support Israel one has to consider that Israeli lives are more valuable than Palestinian lives.[/quote]

Funny, I used to support the Palestinians, until Hamas started blowing up civilian buses every other day to stop a peace process between Arafat and Israel. During that period, Israeli civilians took a beating. Where were you then, and what was/is your opinion of this?

this is why they’re living behind walls, man. I find it difficult to support people who have squandered every peace initiative Israel has ever offered and used every concession Israel has made as an excuse to rearm, and attack.
[/quote]

You do know that Rabin, the Israeli Prime Minister, was assassinated by an Israeli? That’s what stopped a comprehensive peace deal. [/quote]

A peace that the Palestinians seemed prepared to accept even though it wouldn’t give them either an end to ethnic cleansing nor full statehood. Rabin was the most sensible Israeli prime minister ever but he still didn’t stop the settlements in the West Bank.

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Once again:

I am speaking about the second Second Intifada between 2000-2005.

from Wikipedia: “A campaign of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks began on September 29, 2000 and within five years left over 1,068 Israelis dead and over 7,000 injuredâ??69 percent of them civilians. Approximately 3,000 Palestinians were also killed in this conflict.”

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You also talk about Israeli “crimes” - crimes that don’t actually exist outside of your fevered imagination. It’s not really possible to have any kind of meaningful discourse when your argument is predicated on pure fantasy.[/quote]

Are you really this ill informed? Do you really think that Israel has committed no crimes in Palestine? I blame your media as you can’t actually be this stupid.

For a start the settlement program in the West Bank is illegal. Next attacking civilians is a crime. How about Israeli use of human shields?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Once again:

I am speaking about the second Second Intifada between 2000-2005.

from Wikipedia: “A campaign of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks began on September 29, 2000 and within five years left over 1,068 Israelis dead and over 7,000 injuredâ??69 percent of them civilians. Approximately 3,000 Palestinians were also killed in this conflict.” [/quote]

700,000 Palestinians were displaced in 1947/1948. 1600 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza in the last month.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Plus the Oslo II agreement was signed on September 28, 1995 and Rabin was assassinated on Nov. 4 so, how did it stop the agreement if it was already signed?
[/quote]

Maybe because no other Israeli leader was prepared to allow even this half-assed peace treaty to be fulfilled?

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

you do realize, that if the wealth was redistributed, then you would get the lions share of the redistribution, because you are not anywhere near the top 10% of wage earners…[/quote]
First off, I don’t want any more redistribution than there already is, as I didn’t earn that money. Just because stealing the fruits of labor from one person may benefit ME doesn’t mean that the theft was the right thing to do. This is why taxation shouldn’t be decided by popular vote. People that think like you do here will rape and pillage through government those that have more. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

Second, I’m firmly above the top 10% of wage earners, you should check your numbers.

I wasn’t talking about you with the clown comment, but rather the two new people arguing nonsense in the Israel thread. Squattopee and Lou

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:
@beans racism is … [/quote]

lmao… Dude, save it.

You’re “red pilled” we get it. Go run off to another forum with this. It isn’t going to fly here.

COme back in 10 years and tell me if you feel the same.

I also call bullshit that English isn’t your first language.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:

you do realize, that if the wealth was redistributed, then you would get the lions share of the redistribution, because you are not anywhere near the top 10% of wage earners…[/quote]
First off, I don’t want any more redistribution than there already is, as I didn’t earn that money. Just because stealing the fruits of labor from one person may benefit ME doesn’t mean that the theft was the right thing to do. This is why taxation shouldn’t be decided by popular vote. People that think like you do here will rape and pillage through government those that have more. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

Second, I’m firmly above the top 10% of wage earners, you should check your numbers.

I wasn’t talking about you with the clown comment, but rather the two new people arguing nonsense in the Israel thread. Squattopee and Lou
[/quote]

it’s all about policy , I have one i will start a new thread , but I am curious how you will explain it ?