NOX has always been good to me, I have also had success with Jack3d. Jack3d is essentially the same thing as NOX without the additives and such, plus, it’s about $15 cheaper. I stopped taking both just to save some money.
My own pre workout formula is:
1x 200mg caffeine pill
2g L-Arginine
Always get a good pre workout meal in as well, which is 1 cup oats and 2 scoops whey. Eat it about 90 minutes before I hit the gym. Honestly, a good meal and some caffeine will beat the shit out of any pre workout shit out there.
L-Arginine really doesn’t do anything for your NO levels. NO Xplode, Jack3d and most of the other major NO-Pre workout supps are poorly formulated garbage, and I have tried many of them. Supps containing GlycoCarn rather than Arginine are touted to work better (Presurge Unleashed, 1MR, there’s another from Musclemeds, forget the name).
Lately I’ve been taking SPIKE Shooters before the gym and straight creatine at some point during the day. Ends up much cheaper in the long run and I get the same if not better effect. Artificial pumps are fucking retarded.
[quote]dgallagher88 wrote:
Can anyone comment one the effects of 1, 3 dimethylamylamine in many popular preworkouts such as Jack3d?
Are there any studies as to the long term effects of using supplements that include this?[/quote]
I don’t have any studies but Jack3d is one of the more recent ones I’ve tried, and I did so because there was a ton of hype, knowing the formulation, and it’s cheap. That said, not impressed. The rush was definitely nothing to shake a stick at, even at maximum (3 scoop) dosage. 1 scoop did almost nothing, 2 scoops felt like a strong cup of coffee, and 3 scoops had me in pins and needles for about 2 hours after I took it, and the rush came around then too. Complete waste of money.
I’ve tried NOX, Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, FiINiBARs and my buddies are using the Jack3D. Here’s my opinion on each…
NOX:
From my experience, the NOX gives a good pump but wears off after a few weeks as your body gets a little used to the ingredients. For me thats the caffeine since i never really have any.
Surge Workout Fuel:
The SWF is great stuff, If I had to pick one it would be this, but admittedly its expensive and I would burn though it too quick.
JACK3D:
My buddies love the Jack3D compared to the NOX, compare the ingredients side by side. They’re similar, but Jack has a little less junk… but I haven’t tried it.
Surge Recovery:
Good stuff, but the SWF is way better that the Recovery one, but there’s a price difference.
FINiBARs:
I workout at 6AM everyday so I need to eat something, and have found the FINiBARs to be the best option for me. If you buy them in bulk, they aren’t too pricey. Throw in some BCAA caps, and you’re getting good calories and the Aminos that your body needs.
In General, I try to stay away from NO type products as there is little nutritional value. ALSO, there’s a really good article on T-Nation dismissing NO products. Search for it. Read it. You wont take that stuff again.
I tried Superpump 250 about two years ago. It’s loaded with caffeine, and you’ll probably need to crap a few minutes after taking it. Still, I got good workouts on it, although it made me feel like jumping out of my skin. Even though I never took more than one scoop (label says take up to 3 scoops) one day I even yelled at a complete stranger for not putting their weights away, and I was ready to fight him LOL.
I looked at the label and did some research to find out which elements seemed legitimate (and available). My workout drink is now something I make ‘ala carte’ at home:
1-3 dimethylamylamine is an extremely potent stimulant. It works, well.
Jack3d and no xplode are not comparable supplements. no explode is just caffeine and sugar for an insane price.
Jack3d is to be compared to anadraulic state, 1mr, presurge, geraniamo.
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You can compare jack3d to no xplode, they are the same, minus the 1,3 on one hand and the sugar on the other. You CAN’T compare jack3d to 1mr or presurge. Jack3d has l-fake-inine in it, while presurge and 1mr both utilize glycocarn instead.
1-3 dimethylamylamine is an extremely potent stimulant. It works, well.
Jack3d and no xplode are not comparable supplements. no explode is just caffeine and sugar for an insane price.
Jack3d is to be compared to anadraulic state, 1mr, presurge, geraniamo.
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You can compare jack3d to no xplode, they are the same, minus the 1,3 on one hand and the sugar on the other. You CAN’T compare jack3d to 1mr or presurge. Jack3d has l-fake-inine in it, while presurge and 1mr both utilize glycocarn instead.[/quote]
lol ok.
the “minus the 1,3” is a pretty big deal considering its the main ingredient responsible for the effects of the super concentrated pre workout powders.
[quote]Dread wrote:
Like I said before, I have a tub of Jack3d and have tested it myself many times. It’s no more impressive than any of the others, regardless of purity.[/quote]
How does that have anything to do with what I said? I never claimed something was better than something else.
[quote]Dread wrote:
Like I said before, I have a tub of Jack3d and have tested it myself many times. It’s no more impressive than any of the others, regardless of purity.[/quote]
5’8" 185lbs @ 15% BF… I’m not sure that its really working all that great.
You probably dont need to spend your money on those kinds of supplements man.
[quote]Dread wrote:
Like I said before, I have a tub of Jack3d and have tested it myself many times. It’s no more impressive than any of the others, regardless of purity.[/quote]
5’8" 185lbs @ 15% BF… I’m not sure that its really working all that great.
You probably dont need to spend your money on those kinds of supplements man. [/quote]
How is this relevant? It’s not. Read the thread, bro. Also, don’t pretend you know what my goals are and make ridiculous assumptions. This thread isn’t even about me, I’m trying to provide an informed perspective for the OP, not try to get people to buy shit supplements. Are all 4000 of your posts since 2009 THIS informed?