Just wondering if anyone knows if its safe to take c4, jak3d, or any other stimulant based pre workout, along with Surge Workout Fuel. From what I understand, Surge is not a caffeine loaded stimulant like c4. i have been using 2 scoops Anaconda,2 scoops MAG-10, and one scoop Surge WF. i start drinking 20 minutes before training, drink during, and usually kill it around my 2nd to last set.
Any one have any input?
The only problem I might see is with the beta alanine dose you are getting with both products. I would research safe maximal dosage with beta at one time and go from there. Otherwise should be good to go.
Alright, will do. Thanks man.
You may want to look at more than just the maximal beta alanine dosage.
For instance, how old are you? How long have you been lifting. How many pullups can you do? (If the answers are something like young, less than a year and maybe 2, then you prob don’t need ANY supps.) Especially not a mixture of preworkouts.
I am 22, lifting 1.5 years. never tried for max pull ups but I train mma as well and have done over 300 pull ups during a training session. What does this have to do with taking both of those supplements together? I dont understand.
I am 22, lifting 1.5 years. never tried for max pull ups but I train mma as well and have done over 300 pull ups during a training session. What does this have to do with taking both of those supplements together? I dont understand.
someone who is not “advanced” can get dependent on the preworkout category where there is no need. If you’ve pushed and pushed and want to push some more, do you. if you need a preworkout once every four or five workouts , do you. If you are way behind in terms of learning how to push yourself, your nutrition, your form, etc., then you have no business running through a tub of jacked as well as another preworkout every month.
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
someone who is not “advanced” can get dependent on the preworkout category where there is no need. If you’ve pushed and pushed and want to push some more, do you. if you need a preworkout once every four or five workouts , do you. If you are way behind in terms of learning how to push yourself, your nutrition, your form, etc., then you have no business running through a tub of jacked as well as another preworkout every month.
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I don’t really think there are a lot of “advanced” lifters as you say that even use pre-workouts as they have usually caught on to things a little bit by the time they have become “advanced”.
If you believe that you reach some magical level on weight lifting enlightenment when you can do 5 pull ups or some shit and then you are able to somehow better cultivate the effects of pre-workout supplements you need to stop reading supplement ads like they are scientific research. Everyone will become resistant to stimulants over time. Doesn’t matter if you are an athlete or a couch potato.
I did not ask for anyones opinion on pre workouts in general. Nor did i ask if you thought i should use them. And i in no way hinted at the fact that I am a total beginner. Why dont you either answer my question, or just simply ignore the post? I have been working out without any supplements the majority of the time I have been lifting seriously.
I happen to like the effects of c4 and surge, and all I wanted to know is “would my heart explode if i take these together”. I love how everyone on these boards feels the need to act like a snob. Either answer the question or shut up. No one cares if you think people should use stimulants or not.
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If you believe that you reach some magical level on weight lifting enlightenment when you can do 5 pull ups or some shit and then you are able to somehow better cultivate the effects of pre-workout supplements you need to stop reading supplement ads like they are scientific research. Everyone will become resistant to stimulants over time. Doesn’t matter if you are an athlete or a couch potato.
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still trying to figure out what that huge run on sentence meant. Yes i know you can become resistant to supplements. Thanks for reminding me? who said anything about 5 pull ups?
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
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If you believe that you reach some magical level on weight lifting enlightenment when you can do 5 pull ups or some shit and then you are able to somehow better cultivate the effects of pre-workout supplements you need to stop reading supplement ads like they are scientific research. Everyone will become resistant to stimulants over time. Doesn’t matter if you are an athlete or a couch potato.
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still trying to figure out what that huge run on sentence meant. Yes i know you can become resistant to supplements. Thanks for reminding me? who said anything about 5 pull ups? [/quote]
Don’t worry, intelligence tends to accompany age. Just because a sentence is long, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s improper. I’m not here to teach english class.
Anyway, I wasn’t even replying to you. I can tell you aren’t really grasping this whole internet forum thing so let me help you out: You can take whatever supplements you want. Why you are asking anyone else about what supplements to take together and why is rather pointless for a variety of reasons. You are either trying to have your own ideas validated or just aren’t very knowledgeable about this stuff, that’s why you asked the questions you did.
One poster already told you to check out beta alanine dosage and you you basically told him you like to take lots of beta alanine. What the hell do you want anyone to tell you? You’ve made your mind up.
“If you believe that you reach some magical level on weight lifting enlightenment when you can do 5 pull ups or some shit and then you are able to somehow better cultivate the effects of pre-workout supplements you need to stop reading supplement ads like they are scientific research.”
-So as soon as I can do 5 pull ups, I have reached some magical level of weight lifting? Once I can do 5 pull ups, I will be able to better cultivate the effects of pre workout supplements? And once I better cultivate the effects of these supplements, I then should stop considering supplement adds to be scientific research? That is what it sounds like you tried to say. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Read that over, buddy. It’s three separate thoughts mashed into one horribly structured sentence. It also lacks punctuation, thus rendering your statement rather hard to comprehend.
Yes intelligence tends to accompany age, that is true. But is it possible that you gained soooo much intelligence, you forgot how to structure a sentence? Maybe it’s been too long since you’ve taken an english class.
Second, I know a previous poster already answered my question. I thanked him, and that was it. The discussion was over. I did not “basically tell him i like to take a bunch of beta alanine”. I just asked “can these supplements be taken together?”. He told me to check beta alanine levels, and I said “thanks, will do.” But after reading your run on sentence over and over, it is no surprise to me, that you cannot read very well either.
I wanted someone to tell me if these two supplement were safe to use together. I got my answer. I did not ask anyone what different supplements I should take together, or why. I simply asked if taking these two specific supplements together was safe.
And who said I treat supplement adds like scientific research? I have taken both supplements separately, and enjoyed what they have done.
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
-So as soon as I can do 5 pull ups, I have reached some magical level of weight lifting? Once I can do 5 pull ups, I will be able to better cultivate the effects of pre workout supplements? And once I better cultivate the effects of these supplements, I then should stop considering supplement adds to be scientific research? That is what it sounds like you tried to say. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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Holy fucking shit. For the third time, I wasn’t even directing that post to you. The other guy seemed to be making that assumption as he listed “the number of pull ups you can do” as some kind of indicator of ability level. Your ability to do pull ups is your ability to do pull ups and not much else. Again though, I wasn’t even directing those ideas at you.
As for everything else, I get the feeling that you don’t really like it that I maybe told you that you weren’t as knowledgeable about this stuff as you would have liked. Which is fine. This is a forum and the point is to ask questions and have intelligent discussion about this stuff. The problem is a lot of the discussion lacks the intelligent aspect. You are asking a fairly simple question that about 5 minutes of your own research would answer.
Additionally, I don’t really know why you are getting steamed at me for replying to a post that wasn’t even yours. You do realize that not every post in the thread is necessarily a reply to you, right?
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
-So as soon as I can do 5 pull ups, I have reached some magical level of weight lifting? Once I can do 5 pull ups, I will be able to better cultivate the effects of pre workout supplements? And once I better cultivate the effects of these supplements, I then should stop considering supplement adds to be scientific research? That is what it sounds like you tried to say. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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Holy fucking shit. For the third time, I wasn’t even directing that post to you. The other guy seemed to be making that assumption as he listed “the number of pull ups you can do” as some kind of indicator of ability level. Your ability to do pull ups is your ability to do pull ups and not much else. Again though, I wasn’t even directing those ideas at you.
As for everything else, I get the feeling that you don’t really like it that I maybe told you that you weren’t as knowledgeable about this stuff as you would have liked. Which is fine. This is a forum and the point is to ask questions and have intelligent discussion about this stuff. The problem is a lot of the discussion lacks the intelligent aspect. You are asking a fairly simple question that about 5 minutes of your own research would answer.
Additionally, I don’t really know why you are getting steamed at me for replying to a post that wasn’t even yours. You do realize that not every post in the thread is necessarily a reply to you, right?
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I don’t think I am extremely knowledgeable about supplements. That is why I am here.
I still cannot find out exactly how much beta alanine is in surge workout fuel. The label lists the MAG-10 anaerobic amplifier as citrulline malate, l leucine, beta alanine 13 g. And nowhere on these forums, or in my hour of google searches, have I come up with the exact number of beta alanine in that 13 grams of MAG-10 anaerobic amplifier. Five minutes of research would have been nice.
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
I still cannot find out exactly how much beta alanine is in Surge workout fuel. The label lists the MAG-10 anaerobic amplifier as citrulline malate, l leucine, beta alanine 13 g. And nowhere on these forums, or in my hour of google searches, have I come up with the exact number of beta alanine in that 13 grams of MAG-10 anaerobic amplifier. Five minutes of research would have been nice. [/quote]
I’ll agree with you there. I wish Biotest would list exact amounts to take out the guess work. My guess is that if you take 1-2 scoops of C4 with SWF, you will be fine depending on how sensitive you are to the associated paresthesia involved with beta alanine. I’ve taken upwards of 10g and while not pleasant, it didn’t bother me too much. Not everyone is the same though, 7g will cripple some folks.
Again, I would just assess your own tolerance and go from there. As long as you aren’t consuming over 20g or so, the worst that will happen is a rough 10 minutes or so until the paresthesia wears off.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
someone who is not “advanced” can get dependent on the preworkout category where there is no need. If you’ve pushed and pushed and want to push some more, do you. if you need a preworkout once every four or five workouts , do you. If you are way behind in terms of learning how to push yourself, your nutrition, your form, etc., then you have no business running through a tub of jacked as well as another preworkout every month.
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I don’t really think there are a lot of “advanced” lifters as you say that even use pre-workouts as they have usually caught on to things a little bit by the time they have become “advanced”.
If you believe that you reach some magical level on weight lifting enlightenment when you can do 5 pull ups or some shit and then you are able to somehow better cultivate the effects of pre-workout supplements you need to stop reading supplement ads like they are scientific research. Everyone will become resistant to stimulants over time. Doesn’t matter if you are an athlete or a couch potato.
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I don’t believe there is some “magical level on weight lifting enlightenment when you can do 5 pullups.” Thanks for replying but I hoped people wouldn’t put that kind of spin on my post.
OP, has no information about him posted anywhere and wrote a post where he asks about taking two preworkout supps at the same time. My response did not address the importance of pullups in assessing weightlifting ability. I was simply sayin - “Bro, you taking C4 and SWF, but can you even do a pullup?”
And yeah, like OP said, you sentence is terrible and conveys a shitty point.
I thought it was safe to assume everyone on here can at least do a pull up. My bad.
[quote]i_am_ketosis wrote:
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
I still cannot find out exactly how much beta alanine is in Surge workout fuel. The label lists the MAG-10 anaerobic amplifier as citrulline malate, l leucine, beta alanine 13 g. And nowhere on these forums, or in my hour of google searches, have I come up with the exact number of beta alanine in that 13 grams of MAG-10 anaerobic amplifier. Five minutes of research would have been nice. [/quote]
I’ll agree with you there. I wish Biotest would list exact amounts to take out the guess work. My guess is that if you take 1-2 scoops of C4 with SWF, you will be fine depending on how sensitive you are to the associated paresthesia involved with beta alanine. I’ve taken upwards of 10g and while not pleasant, it didn’t bother me too much. Not everyone is the same though, 7g will cripple some folks.
Again, I would just assess your own tolerance and go from there. As long as you aren’t consuming over 20g or so, the worst that will happen is a rough 10 minutes or so until the paresthesia wears off.
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good to know. thanks
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
I did not ask for anyones opinion on pre workouts in general. Nor did i ask if you thought i should use them. And i in no way hinted at the fact that I am a total beginner. Why dont you either answer my question, or just simply ignore the post? I have been working out without any supplements the majority of the time I have been lifting seriously.
I happen to like the effects of c4 and surge, and all I wanted to know is “would my heart explode if i take these together”. I love how everyone on these boards feels the need to act like a snob. Either answer the question or shut up. No one cares if you think people should use stimulants or not. [/quote]
OK, you didn’t hint that you were a beginner, but did you hint that you are not? It’s the internet, bro, and I don’t know your deal.
You gonna tell me that all you wanted to know is if you’re heart will explode but that’s not what the original post says. It asks whether taking two preworkout supps is safe. I appreciate that you don’t care about my thoughts on stimulants. I didn’t give that tho. I simply provided an opinion on whether two preworkouts at the same time are safe for the average guy looking to build muscle.
Didn’t you come on here to hear people’s opinions? Is it really that shocking that some people are of the opinion that preworkouts contain powerful ingredients whose usage should be limited, especially in cases where the user is less experienced.
But yo, rock out bro. I’m sure plenty of people take C4 and SWF and buttload of other shit at the same damn time and have great workouts.
[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
I did not ask for anyones opinion on pre workouts in general. Nor did i ask if you thought i should use them. And i in no way hinted at the fact that I am a total beginner. Why dont you either answer my question, or just simply ignore the post? I have been working out without any supplements the majority of the time I have been lifting seriously.
I happen to like the effects of c4 and surge, and all I wanted to know is “would my heart explode if i take these together”. I love how everyone on these boards feels the need to act like a snob. Either answer the question or shut up. No one cares if you think people should use stimulants or not. [/quote]
OK, you didn’t hint that you were a beginner, but did you hint that you are not? It’s the internet, bro, and I don’t know your deal.
You gonna tell me that all you wanted to know is if you’re heart will explode but that’s not what the original post says. It asks whether taking two preworkout supps is safe. I appreciate that you don’t care about my thoughts on stimulants. I didn’t give that tho. I simply provided an opinion on whether two preworkouts at the same time are safe for the average guy looking to build muscle.
Didn’t you come on here to hear people’s opinions? Is it really that shocking that some people are of the opinion that preworkouts contain powerful ingredients whose usage should be limited, especially in cases where the user is less experienced.
But yo, rock out bro. I’m sure plenty of people take C4 and SWF and buttload of other shit at the same damn time and have great workouts.
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word.