Equipment Sharing Etiquette

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I dont claim that it is about some bully situation. Its a possibility sure, but im not really discussing it. It seems that some of you seem to think you have earned “the right” to not have to let weaker people work in because you got big.
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You just wrote it is impractical to let someone work in with large amounts of weight…now you say it is about some right you think we earned.

That would mean you think it is about some right YOU have earned as well.

Thank you for playing.

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The only thing that really came to mind for me is how pissed I would be if I worked out at a public gym and I was doing a westside split on a DE day and some asshole would come up and ask to work in while taking 3+ minutes to put their weight on, then do half reps, and walk away after 1 set without helping to even put my weight back on.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

I dont claim that it is about some bully situation. Its a possibility sure, but im not really discussing it. It seems that some of you seem to think you have earned “the right” to not have to let weaker people work in because you got big.
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You just wrote it is impractical to let someone work in with large amounts of weight…now you say it is about some right you think we earned.

That would mean you think it is about some right YOU have earned as well.

Thank you for playing.[/quote]

This is where i have to agree yet again with BG. You calling out anyone on reading comprehension is precious.

I said that if someone is using a huge amount of weight (such as 20 plates) and someone else is going to use significantly less, then yes it is impractical. On almost any other exercise, the definition of “large amounts of weight” falls quite short of 20 plates.

You have specifically mentioned other lifts, like doing chest for instance, in your previous posts. So dont try and act like this whole argument has centered around your leg press example you seem so fixated on.

And as for the “right” to not have to let people work in, this is not me projecting as you seem to believe. You must have stated 4 times in the first page of this thread alone a bunch of bullshit about how being big affects your interactions with people at the gym. Of course that is true to some extent, but for the most part when its busy, people much smaller than me constantly ask me questions or work in with me. And yes, I am hands down one of the biggest guys at my large commercial gym at any given time. You go on and on about people getting “fucked with” for not being big enough and how no one will approach you if youre hyooge and blah blah blah. I have never seen anyone fuck with anyone EVER at my gym for being too small. It seems to me you are describing how YOU think things should be at the gym, not how they actually are.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You have specifically mentioned other lifts, like doing chest for instance, in your previous posts. So dont try and act like this whole argument has centered around your leg press example you seem so fixated on. [/quote]

Uh, dude, I use a lot of plates for chest…so yeah, some guy working in with one plate would hinder my workout.

What are you talking about?

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
I lift with my wife, so plates get added or removed for every set. It really isn’t that big of a deal. If you can leg press 20 plates, lifting one at a time shouldn’t take much effort.
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There is a lot going on in here but I will just chime in on this point right here…

I work out with my fiance quite a bit (the girl in my avi) and taking some damn plates off of the machine isnt really that big of a deal. She’ll hit the leg press with 2pps and I’ll work up to 7pps and then the 100lb plate per side (i guess thats not quite 20 plates total lol) and its not hard to strip off some plates, let her do her set and put them back on. Just my opinion on the situation.

if someone OTHER than my fiance wants to work in then they can strip down the plates AND put them back on after their set. I dont have a problem with that… hell, I’ll probably even help them out if they’re cool. Just my .2cents

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Uh oh!!! Looks like we have the new Waylander VS Darkninja… AudioGarden VS Prof X!!! LOL

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I have the feeling some of you pitiful motherfuckers would be a lot nicer if you hadn’t gotten relatively “big”. But then again, the same reason you pitiful motherfuckers made it your life’s dream to get big is probably the same reason you’re a dick now.

Anyway, asking to work in is a matter of practicality - NOT how big some insecure douchebag is or how much progress someone is making, or a measure of how scary or intimidating you THINK you are. If working in involves the removal of countless plates after each turn, then it’s pretty impractical and probably an unreasonable request. If it’s taking a few plates off each time, stop being such a fucking dick. We all started somewhere. And some people have different goals.

First, LOL at the leg press. What’s next? The smith machine? Next, not many of you so-called “big” “progressive” motherfuckers here are squatting north of 500; so if someone “smaller” or “weaker” than you wants to work in for squats (for instance), you’re removing maybe 3-4 plates each set? Big fucking deal.

A few of you assholes could really use some humility.

If you don’t like sharing, go get your own space and own equipment.[/quote]

It all comes back to:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Most importantly 4) Don’t be a dick.
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I lift with my wife, so plates get added or removed for every set. It really isn’t that big of a deal. If you can leg press 20 plates, lifting one at a time shouldn’t take much effort.

If you’ve got just a couple of sets left, then sure, finish up. If you’re going to be there for 1/2 hour and there is no where else the guy can go, let him work in even if it means moveing the plates.[/quote]

I think part of the difference is that you always train together just like BB and I always train together. We’re used to training in a group or as part of a club so the stripping and loading is a planned part of training. When we hit the gym, I know what my working sets will be and what his will be so we have the plates ready to put on and pull off. We’re all used to doing it.

I’m not sure how excited I would be to work in with someone random at the gym particularly if rack heights were different. I’d do it but I couldn’t see it running as quickly and smoothly as doing it with a group that frequently works together.[/quote]

Greg, I think this young woman responded well to that.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Uh oh!!! Looks like we have the new Waylander VS Darkninja… AudioGarden VS Prof X!!! LOL[/quote]

Bigger LOL.

This is like 5th grade debate club.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You have specifically mentioned other lifts, like doing chest for instance, in your previous posts. So dont try and act like this whole argument has centered around your leg press example you seem so fixated on. [/quote]

Uh, dude, I use a lot of plates for chest…so yeah, some guy working in with one plate would hinder my workout.

What are you talking about?[/quote]

Well if you want to only address minor details of my posts, this conversation is pretty much over. But in regards to this, i would be more than happy to HELP unload 3 or 4 plates a side for someone significantly weaker than me to work in on chest if i still had a ways to go and it was particularly busy. This doesnt seem like much of a hindrance to me. THAT is what im talking about. As long as he helps unload it, does his set without fucking around too long and then helps put the plates back on, no big deal for me.

It seems this would be just as much as a hindrance for him as well. But when its busy and equipment is limited, you make do.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You have specifically mentioned other lifts, like doing chest for instance, in your previous posts. So dont try and act like this whole argument has centered around your leg press example you seem so fixated on. [/quote]

Uh, dude, I use a lot of plates for chest…so yeah, some guy working in with one plate would hinder my workout.

What are you talking about?[/quote]

Well if you want to only address minor details of my posts, this conversation is pretty much over. But in regards to this, i would be more than happy to HELP unload 3 or 4 plates a side for someone significantly weaker than me to work in on chest if i still had a ways to go and it was particularly busy. This doesnt seem like much of a hindrance to me. THAT is what im talking about. As long as he helps unload it, does his set without fucking around too long and then helps put the plates back on, no big deal for me.

It seems this would be just as much as a hindrance for him as well. But when its busy and equipment is limited, you make do. [/quote]

Dude, we are all very happy that you don’t care.

Some of us would NOT like to unrack 5 plates a side during a chest workout so someone can do one plate.

Why is this an issue for you?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Uh oh!!! Looks like we have the new Waylander VS Darkninja… AudioGarden VS Prof X!!! LOL[/quote]

Bigger LOL.

This is like 5th grade debate club.[/quote]

I always thought the big debate with waylander was between he and you?

Ill have to look into this waylander vs darkninja debacle, interest is peaked.

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Further,. I do believe I already wrote very clearly that if some kid were a serious lifter that I would not mind him working in. I even gave an example of the difference in gyms and attitude…so what are you arguing against besides the fact that you apparently just want to argue everything I write lately?

I mean, you did the exact same thing in that thread in the nutrition forum.

Get over it.

It will be ok.

Deep breaths.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

You have specifically mentioned other lifts, like doing chest for instance, in your previous posts. So dont try and act like this whole argument has centered around your leg press example you seem so fixated on. [/quote]

Uh, dude, I use a lot of plates for chest…so yeah, some guy working in with one plate would hinder my workout.

What are you talking about?[/quote]

Well if you want to only address minor details of my posts, this conversation is pretty much over. But in regards to this, i would be more than happy to HELP unload 3 or 4 plates a side for someone significantly weaker than me to work in on chest if i still had a ways to go and it was particularly busy. This doesnt seem like much of a hindrance to me. THAT is what im talking about. As long as he helps unload it, does his set without fucking around too long and then helps put the plates back on, no big deal for me.

It seems this would be just as much as a hindrance for him as well. But when its busy and equipment is limited, you make do. [/quote]

Dude, we are all very happy that you don’t care.

Some of us would NOT like to unrack 5 plates a side during a chest workout so someone can do one plate.

Why is this an issue for you?[/quote]

Like i said, if its busy and theres only so much equipment to go around at a gym, i dont see why it would be such a hindrance to have to do this. Im sure its not ideal for the guy working in either. And theres no way id be unracking all that weight myself. If the other guy is helping me, it really doesnt seem like that much of a pain.

You seemed to respond incredulously to some of the people who had opposing views to yours. It just doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Further,. I do believe I already wrote very clearly that if some kid were a serious lifter that I would not mind him working in. I even gave an example of the difference in gyms and attitude…so what are you arguing against besides the fact that you apparently just want to argue everything I write lately?

I mean, you did the exact same thing in that thread in the nutrition forum.

Get over it.

It will be ok.

Deep breaths.[/quote]

Pure coincidence i suppose.

EDIT: i do believe you initiated the exchange we’re having in this thread.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Greg, I think this young woman responded well to that.[/quote]

oops… I really should read more posts before I respond some time lol.

If some “Random” was working in with me then I wouldn’t mind if they WERE SERIOUS and if they did all the extra work of stripping the weights off and putting em back on.

I’d be fine with that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wow. The bullshit in this thread is growing. I “worked in” with several people last night…ON A CABLE MACHINE. I didn’t have anyone come up to me while on a plate loaded machine with more than 3 plates a side. There is a reason I can speak to most of the people there, most of them know me, and that happens. It isn’t because I think I am all that either.

Some of you seem to be projecting. It is also causing some of you to not understand what people are saying.

because the bottom line is, if you have 20 plates on a leg press and some guy jumps at you to work in and he only plans on using one plate a side, most of you would not be happy about the extra workout you now get to do that was unplanned.

I am waiting for one person to deny this.

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this is not a worry of yours. you do not put 20 plates on per side. you don’t work the counter at mcdonald’s either. why you so froggy?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Greg, I think this young woman responded well to that.[/quote]

oops… I really should read more posts before I respond some time lol.

If some “Random” was working in with me then I wouldn’t mind if they WERE SERIOUS and if they did all the extra work of stripping the weights off and putting em back on.

I’d be fine with that.[/quote]

Do you define serious as having an impressive physique or just someone who is serious about their training? If a weak looking, small person approaches you to work in, how do you tell if they are serious and just a newb, or if theyre just some kid who shows up once a month?

EDIT: i think if some frail looking kid came up to me in the gym and asked to work in, i would give him enough respect as someone who’s trying to be serious just based on the fact that they were willing to come and ask.

Most kids who really have no idea what theyre doing just kind of wander around aimlessly from one thing to the next.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Greg, I think this young woman responded well to that.[/quote]

oops… I really should read more posts before I respond some time lol.

If some “Random” was working in with me then I wouldn’t mind if they WERE SERIOUS and if they did all the extra work of stripping the weights off and putting em back on.

I’d be fine with that.[/quote]

Do you define serious as having an impressive physique or just someone who is serious about their training? If a weak looking, small person approaches you to work in, how do you tell if they are serious and just a newb, or if theyre just some kid who shows up once a month?

EDIT: i think if some frail looking kid came up to me in the gym and asked to work in, i would give him enough respect as someone who’s trying to be serious just based on the fact that they were willing to come and ask.

Most kids who really have no idea what theyre doing just kind of wander around aimlessly from one thing to the next. [/quote]

In my experience its pretty easy to tell who is serious and who isnt and that is not just based on size/strength. You can be small and weak but be serious about lifting… thats where most of us probably started out (I know I did)

being “serious” about it is an attitude and an outlook on training IMO… its not really results based cause I know a few guys who are freaks who dont hit the gym consistently but look better than most. i would not call them “serious weightlifters”

I dont know if I even answered your question lol

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Greg, I think this young woman responded well to that.[/quote]

oops… I really should read more posts before I respond some time lol.

If some “Random” was working in with me then I wouldn’t mind if they WERE SERIOUS and if they did all the extra work of stripping the weights off and putting em back on.

I’d be fine with that.[/quote]

Do you define serious as having an impressive physique or just someone who is serious about their training? If a weak looking, small person approaches you to work in, how do you tell if they are serious and just a newb, or if theyre just some kid who shows up once a month?

EDIT: i think if some frail looking kid came up to me in the gym and asked to work in, i would give him enough respect as someone who’s trying to be serious just based on the fact that they were willing to come and ask.

Most kids who really have no idea what theyre doing just kind of wander around aimlessly from one thing to the next. [/quote]

In my experience its pretty easy to tell who is serious and who isnt and that is not just based on size/strength. You can be small and weak but be serious about lifting… thats where most of us probably started out (I know I did)

being “serious” about it is an attitude and an outlook on training IMO… its not really results based cause I know a few guys who are freaks who dont hit the gym consistently but look better than most. i would not call them “serious weightlifters”

I dont know if I even answered your question lol
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Yes you basically did. Although i sort of answered it to some extent in my edit of my previous post heh.

I was just more so curious as to if you would only consider someone serious based on the way they look.

One of the things i really like to see with skinnier guys who are obviously very new is good form. If i see a guy swallow his pride and he’s benching with full ROM, down to the chest, i give them tons of respect. Or if i see a guy on the hammer strength rows and he’s getting a good stretch in his back and pulling all the way back, that is awesome. Theres too many sort of decent size guys that sit in there and do half ROM reps and jerk the weight around on the HS machines.

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just like on pro athletic teams(baseball, football, etc…) the guys there the longest have more say as to what goes on.

It is my belief, whether its liked or not. the bigger guys in the gym have preference. I don’t like sharing any equipment. you wait till that person is done or you find another exercise to do. simple as that. there is no sharing. thats bull crap. you think back in the day, some kid is going to ask arnold to work in. are you kidding me. lol.