Ephedrine Banned Again

Nutrition
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[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
ocn2000 wrote:
Caveat emptor. If you can’t figure out what to put in your own body, and how to do it safely, you deserve a severe reaction. Why is it that the minority fucks it up for the rest?

Bullshit. Nobody knows enough about this stuff to make smart decisions.

We need our government to fund studies to determine what is useful and what is not useful and stop bowing to the pressure of the drug companies.

Let the government decide for us.

Maybe we can let them take away creatine next.

F the FDA and their appeasers.[/quote]

Once again you need to work on your reading comprehension. We need more research. The government should foot the bill for it. They foot the bill for every other type of research no matter how useless.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

I see over-the-counter drugs that are abused and used to MANUFACTURE METH.
I don’t see the FDA pulling these drugs off the shelves.
But ephedra is should be?
B.S.[/quote]

Actually they have been pulled off the shelf. They are behind the counter so they cannot be stolen, etc.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

I see over-the-counter drugs that are abused and used to MANUFACTURE METH.
I don’t see the FDA pulling these drugs off the shelves.
But ephedra is should be?
B.S.

Actually they have been pulled off the shelf. They are behind the counter so they cannot be stolen, etc.[/quote]

What’s the difference?
Are you saying people can’t abuse prescription drugs because they’re not on the shelf?
People abuse prescription drugs every year.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

I see over-the-counter drugs that are abused and used to MANUFACTURE METH.
I don’t see the FDA pulling these drugs off the shelves.
But ephedra should be?
B.S.

Actually they have been pulled off the shelf. They are behind the counter so they cannot be stolen, etc.[/quote]

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

This might, however, be the only way to get rid of meth.

The government has done this before. Ever wonder why there’s no such thing as qualuudes any more? It’s because the US government "persuaded’ all the factories around the world (I think there were only seven or so) to stop making the base ingredient.

Meth is similar in that the base ingredient is complicated enough to need to be manufactured in a serious facility by skilled, trained people.

get the factories to make something else, end the existence of meth.

Banning supplements like Ephedra might be the only way of getting rid of Meth?
Triple C derives its name from Coricidin Cough and Cold. This cold medicine, along with dozens of others including some pediatric cold formulas, contains dextramethorphan (DXM). When used in prescribed doses, DXM helps alleviate cold symptoms. When taken in large quantities, it makes kids high.
As long as we have over-the-counter drugs that can be abused,which will always be here, there will always be Meth or drugs like Meth.

If the FDA is concerned about the dangers of Ephedra being used for METH production,then they should be equally concerned about Triple C and drugs like Triple C.

Why aren’t they?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[/quote]

You didn’t understand my point at al and then made up some nonsense about DXM that has nohing to do with anything.

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I only have one bottle of mini thins left =|

They need to stop tampering with supplements damnit.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

This might, however, be the only way to get rid of meth.

The government has done this before. Ever wonder why there’s no such thing as qualuudes any more? It’s because the US government "persuaded’ all the factories around the world (I think there were only seven or so) to stop making the base ingredient.

Meth is similar in that the base ingredient is complicated enough to need to be manufactured in a serious facility by skilled, trained people.

get the factories to make something else, end the existence of meth.

Banning supplements like Ephedra might be the only way of getting rid of Meth?
Triple C derives its name from Coricidin Cough and Cold. This cold medicine, along with dozens of others including some pediatric cold formulas, contains dextramethorphan (DXM). When used in prescribed doses, DXM helps alleviate cold symptoms. When taken in large quantities, it makes kids high.
As long as we have over-the-counter drugs that can be abused,which will always be here, there will always be Meth or drugs like Meth.

If the FDA is concerned about the dangers of Ephedra being used for METH production,then they should be equally concerned about Triple C and drugs like Triple C.

Why aren’t they?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You didn’t understand my point at al and then made up some nonsense about DXM that has nohing to do with anything.[/quote]

How is it made up?

Please do some reading before declaring something complete nonsense/fiction.
Sure it does:
Them banning supplements but keeping drugs that are used to produce Meth on the market.
A little double standard.
Maybe I misread your post.
But what do you expect from some who has the typing skills of a 6 yr old kid?

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======Update============
OTC Orlistat could be in mass market production by the end of next year. wach GNC or Vitamin Shoppe Toute it as the new ephedrine (although most people know it isn’t) . then when people abuse it like they abused ephedrine ad die from : Dehydration,Malnutriton,Stomach bleeding (according to holistic med’s website). and see how fast the FDA acts on banning OTC and Prescription Orlistat.

it might take them 5-6 years to decide that orlistat is un-safe , 2 more years to actual try to ban it, & 5 or more years after consumer protest (yeha right) to get rid of it all together. sofar the fda and gnc have backed the idea of banning ephedra (all together) and puting otc orlistat in place of it. If we dont step up and take acttion now it will be a matter of time till all supps will be replaced by OTC drugs.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

This might, however, be the only way to get rid of meth.

The government has done this before. Ever wonder why there’s no such thing as qualuudes any more? It’s because the US government "persuaded’ all the factories around the world (I think there were only seven or so) to stop making the base ingredient.

Meth is similar in that the base ingredient is complicated enough to need to be manufactured in a serious facility by skilled, trained people.

get the factories to make something else, end the existence of meth.

Banning supplements like Ephedra might be the only way of getting rid of Meth?
Triple C derives its name from Coricidin Cough and Cold. This cold medicine, along with dozens of others including some pediatric cold formulas, contains dextramethorphan (DXM). When used in prescribed doses, DXM helps alleviate cold symptoms. When taken in large quantities, it makes kids high.
As long as we have over-the-counter drugs that can be abused,which will always be here, there will always be Meth or drugs like Meth.

If the FDA is concerned about the dangers of Ephedra being used for METH production,then they should be equally concerned about Triple C and drugs like Triple C.

Why aren’t they?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You didn’t understand my point at al and then made up some nonsense about DXM that has nohing to do with anything.

How is it made up?

Please do some reading before declaring something complete nonsense/fiction.
Sure it does:
Them banning supplements but keeping drugs that are used to produce Meth on the market.
A little double standard.
Maybe I misread your post.
But what do you expect from some who has the typing skills of a 6 yr old kid?[/quote]

matt88 have you ever herd of PHARM parties ya know where the use drugs like: Oxycodone , RX Atropine, Codine,morphine,respadol, DXM , DLs , Arosol Inhalers , almost leathl ammounts of golfastin & Caffine together etc…

do ya think the fda will ban those beacuse they can be dangerous and can get you high. heres a hint to the answer it begins with N and ends with O

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[quote]Gambles wrote:
======Update============
OTC Orlistat could be in mass market production by the end of next year. wach GNC or Vitamin Shoppe Toute it as the new ephedrine (although most people know it isn’t) . then when people abuse it like they abused ephedrine ad die from : Dehydration,Malnutriton,Stomach bleeding (according to holistic med’s website). and see how fast the FDA acts on banning OTC and Prescription Orlistat.

it might take them 5-6 years to decide that orlistat is un-safe , 2 more years to actual try to ban it, & 5 or more years after consumer protest (yeha right) to get rid of it all together. sofar the fda and gnc have backed the idea of banning ephedra (all together) and puting otc orlistat in place of it. If we dont step up and take acttion now it will be a matter of time till all supps will be replaced by OTC drugs.[/quote]

There you go.
OTC Orlistat is a PRESCRIPTION.
Ephedra isn’t.
That means more money$$$.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Gambles wrote:
======Update============
OTC Orlistat could be in mass market production by the end of next year. wach GNC or Vitamin Shoppe Toute it as the new ephedrine (although most people know it isn’t) . then when people abuse it like they abused ephedrine ad die from : Dehydration,Malnutriton,Stomach bleeding (according to holistic med’s website). and see how fast the FDA acts on banning OTC and Prescription Orlistat.

it might take them 5-6 years to decide that orlistat is un-safe , 2 more years to actual try to ban it, & 5 or more years after consumer protest (yeha right) to get rid of it all together. sofar the fda and gnc have backed the idea of banning ephedra (all together) and puting otc orlistat in place of it. If we dont step up and take acttion now it will be a matter of time till all supps will be replaced by OTC drugs.

There you go.
OTC Orlistat is a PRESCRIPTION.
Ephedra isn’t.
That means more money$$$.[/quote]

close. otc means over the counter, so no, it’s not a prescription, by definition.

but, orlistat otc is a man-made drug, and therefore can (and does) have patent protection, thereby making it worthwhile for drug companies to market. whereas ephedra is a naturally occuring substance, and therefore cannot be patented.

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[quote]rawda wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Gambles wrote:
======Update============
OTC Orlistat could be in mass market production by the end of next year. wach GNC or Vitamin Shoppe Toute it as the new ephedrine (although most people know it isn’t) . then when people abuse it like they abused ephedrine ad die from : Dehydration,Malnutriton,Stomach bleeding (according to holistic med’s website). and see how fast the FDA acts on banning OTC and Prescription Orlistat.

it might take them 5-6 years to decide that orlistat is un-safe , 2 more years to actual try to ban it, & 5 or more years after consumer protest (yeha right) to get rid of it all together. sofar the fda and gnc have backed the idea of banning ephedra (all together) and puting otc orlistat in place of it. If we dont step up and take acttion now it will be a matter of time till all supps will be replaced by OTC drugs.

There you go.
OTC Orlistat is a PRESCRIPTION.
Ephedra isn’t.
That means more money$$$.

close. otc means over the counter, so no, it’s not a prescription, by definition.

but, orlistat otc is a man-made drug, and therefore can (and does) have patent protection, thereby making it worthwhile for drug companies to market. whereas ephedra is a naturally occuring substance, and therefore cannot be patented.[/quote]

NO the point was that GNC and Vitamin shoppe will toute it as a maricle in a bottle .

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[quote]rawda wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Gambles wrote:
======Update============

OTC Orlistat could be in mass market production by the end of next year. wach GNC or Vitamin Shoppe Toute it as the new ephedrine (although most people know it isn’t) . then when people abuse it like they abused ephedrine ad die from : Dehydration,Malnutriton,Stomach bleeding (according to holistic med’s website). and see how fast the FDA acts on banning OTC and Prescription Orlistat.

it might take them 5-6 years to decide that orlistat is un-safe , 2 more years to actual try to ban it, & 5 or more years after consumer protest (yeha right) to get rid of it all together. sofar the fda and gnc have backed the idea of banning ephedra (all together) and puting otc orlistat in place of it. If we dont step up and take acttion now it will be a matter of time till all supps will be replaced by OTC drugs.

There you go.
OTC Orlistat is a PRESCRIPTION.
Ephedra isn’t.
That means more money$$$.

close. otc means over the counter, so no, it’s not a prescription, by definition.

but, orlistat otc is a man-made drug, and therefore can (and does) have patent protection, thereby making it worthwhile for drug companies to market. whereas ephedra is a naturally occuring substance, and therefore cannot be patented.[/quote]

Yeah,I know OTC means that.
I put a question mark there after OTC,but I guess it didn’t go through.
Orlistat was a prescription. I’m not sure if it still is or not.
Either way,Orlistat is a drug.
So if they can use the drug for weight loss,then they’re making money while the companies that sell Ephedra don’t.
Kinda makes me sick.

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[quote]Gambles wrote:
rawda wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Gambles wrote:
======Update============
OTC Orlistat could be in mass market production by the end of next year. wach GNC or Vitamin Shoppe Toute it as the new ephedrine (although most people know it isn’t) . then when people abuse it like they abused ephedrine ad die from : Dehydration,Malnutriton,Stomach bleeding (according to holistic med’s website). and see how fast the FDA acts on banning OTC and Prescription Orlistat.

it might take them 5-6 years to decide that orlistat is un-safe , 2 more years to actual try to ban it, & 5 or more years after consumer protest (yeha right) to get rid of it all together. sofar the fda and gnc have backed the idea of banning ephedra (all together) and puting otc orlistat in place of it. If we dont step up and take acttion now it will be a matter of time till all supps will be replaced by OTC drugs.

There you go.
OTC Orlistat is a PRESCRIPTION.
Ephedra isn’t.
That means more money$$$.

close. otc means over the counter, so no, it’s not a prescription, by definition.

but, orlistat otc is a man-made drug, and therefore can (and does) have patent protection, thereby making it worthwhile for drug companies to market. whereas ephedra is a naturally occuring substance, and therefore cannot be patented.

NO the point was that GNC and Vitamin shoppe will toute it as a maricle in a bottle .[/quote]

I don’t even trust GNC anymore.
Maybe 10 years ago or 20,they were in it to help people with natural products.
But now it’s all about the money.
I wouldn’t be surprised if GNC were siding with drug companies on selling this drug.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

This might, however, be the only way to get rid of meth.

The government has done this before. Ever wonder why there’s no such thing as qualuudes any more? It’s because the US government "persuaded’ all the factories around the world (I think there were only seven or so) to stop making the base ingredient.

Meth is similar in that the base ingredient is complicated enough to need to be manufactured in a serious facility by skilled, trained people.

get the factories to make something else, end the existence of meth.

Banning supplements like Ephedra might be the only way of getting rid of Meth?
Triple C derives its name from Coricidin Cough and Cold. This cold medicine, along with dozens of others including some pediatric cold formulas, contains dextramethorphan (DXM). When used in prescribed doses, DXM helps alleviate cold symptoms. When taken in large quantities, it makes kids high.
As long as we have over-the-counter drugs that can be abused,which will always be here, there will always be Meth or drugs like Meth.

If the FDA is concerned about the dangers of Ephedra being used for METH production,then they should be equally concerned about Triple C and drugs like Triple C.

Why aren’t they?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You didn’t understand my point at al and then made up some nonsense about DXM that has nohing to do with anything.

How is it made up?

Please do some reading before declaring something complete nonsense/fiction.
Sure it does:
Them banning supplements but keeping drugs that are used to produce Meth on the market.
A little double standard.
Maybe I misread your post.
But what do you expect from some who has the typing skills of a 6 yr old kid?[/quote]

Ah, yes. It was my ‘typing skills’ that led you to misread my post.

I was speaking of the only sure way to end methamphetamine abuse: eliminating the supply of the base ingredient and using the example of qualuudes as precedent.

Then you started talking about asshole kids chugging cough syrup.

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Haha, I love the guy who touts rense.com as a source of accurate info.
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This is an article about how the true goal of rock and roll is to recruit children into Satanism…yea, yea. (It all comes down to the Illuminati’s control of the government, you see).

I can’t even tell who’s trolling and who’s not anymore.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
Kailash wrote:
Gambles wrote:
It’s unclear weather they’ll actually ban Synepherine & Yombhine but one thing is clear. now thy have officially declared on the bodybuilding and supplement community.

Nah, not bodybuilding at all. They’ve declared war on the non-pharmeceutical (herbal) fat loss industry. This opens a market niche for dangerous and expensive pharmaceuticals, that will be patented and marketed by the FDA’s true constituency (Big Pharma)…

You realize that more people have severe reactions to these supps than to many drugs, right?

Is this true? It seems quite the opposite to me. Real drugs are often so much more powerful they have more severe side effects.

Of course real drugs are also more rigorously tested and more proven to work as intended than many supplements.

The supplement industry has too much snake oil in it and the FDA should be helping trying to determine what works and what does not work rather than randomly banning select supplements based on media demonization.[/quote]

I’m from the government and I’m here to help you. The world’s biggest lie.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
harris447 wrote:
matt88 wrote:
IMO -The reason ephedra is being banned and/or regulated (psuedoephedrine) is due to methamphetamine production.
They are useing a few poster boy incidents to justify the ban but in reality it’s because they couldn’t control the meth production.
Since the ban and regulation of ephedrine based products they are busting less meth labs and production in the U.S. is on the decline.
Meth use however is NOT on the decline - it now gets smuggled across the border from Mexico and the severity of the problem remains unchanged.

This might, however, be the only way to get rid of meth.

The government has done this before. Ever wonder why there’s no such thing as qualuudes any more? It’s because the US government "persuaded’ all the factories around the world (I think there were only seven or so) to stop making the base ingredient.

Meth is similar in that the base ingredient is complicated enough to need to be manufactured in a serious facility by skilled, trained people.

get the factories to make something else, end the existence of meth.

Banning supplements like Ephedra might be the only way of getting rid of Meth?
Triple C derives its name from Coricidin Cough and Cold. This cold medicine, along with dozens of others including some pediatric cold formulas, contains dextramethorphan (DXM). When used in prescribed doses, DXM helps alleviate cold symptoms. When taken in large quantities, it makes kids high.
As long as we have over-the-counter drugs that can be abused,which will always be here, there will always be Meth or drugs like Meth.

If the FDA is concerned about the dangers of Ephedra being used for METH production,then they should be equally concerned about Triple C and drugs like Triple C.

Why aren’t they?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You didn’t understand my point at al and then made up some nonsense about DXM that has nohing to do with anything.

How is it made up?

Please do some reading before declaring something complete nonsense/fiction.
Sure it does:
Them banning supplements but keeping drugs that are used to produce Meth on the market.
A little double standard.
Maybe I misread your post.
But what do you expect from some who has the typing skills of a 6 yr old kid?

Ah, yes. It was my ‘typing skills’ that led you to misread my post.

I was speaking of the only sure way to end methamphetamine abuse: eliminating the supply of the base ingredient and using the example of qualuudes as precedent.

Then you started talking about asshole kids chugging cough syrup.

[/quote]

Meth is now making its way to our streets via the same Mexican path as crack. Eliminating the supply indeed.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
You realize that more people have severe reactions to these supps than to many drugs, right?

Is this true? It seems quite the opposite to me. Real drugs are often so much more powerful they have more severe side effects.

Of course real drugs are also more rigorously tested and more proven to work as intended than many supplements.

The supplement industry has too much snake oil in it and the FDA should be helping trying to determine what works and what does not work rather than randomly banning select supplements based on media demonization.[/quote]

Well here’s a clue: The FDA only bans the supplements that work best :slight_smile:

Though, I think most herbals do work. Some are misappropriated, though, like those that make our dicks hard but don’t increase test, yet are included in test boosters to fool us. Other herbals are not in potent formulation, being weak extractions, non-standardized, etc.

This seems to be a result of poor buyer education and expectation, that these worthless supplements can continue to sell and disappoint. People don’t expect herbals to work as well as pharmaceuticals. Though they can and should.

Knowledge of active ingredients and how they actually effect the body (end result) becomes very important here. If you can’t find this information, give up on that ingredient. You’ll also need to know how much mg is effective for your individual person. Of course, for this you’ll need to know how many mg of that active ingredient are in the product.

This is the biggest difference right there, between pharmaceuticals and herbal supplements. Pharmaceuticals always list the mg of active ingredient per a pill or per a mL of liquid, etc. That’s why standardized formulations are so important with herbals.

For instance, I know it takes about 750mg of Tribulus, twice daily, to have a good effect on me. Then I need to find a standardized formulations, say 80% sapoprins, with 1000mg of extract per a serving. Perfect. But even then, I would read some reviews to make sure that this is a reputable company, even better, a reputable product that contains the sapoprins as advertized.

Going through all that, I’ve found a product that works. But I wouldn’t do any less with a pharmaceutical!

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Banning supplements like Ephedra might be the only way of getting rid of Meth?
Triple C derives its name from Coricidin Cough and Cold. This cold medicine, along with dozens of others including some pediatric cold formulas, contains dextramethorphan (DXM). When used in prescribed doses, DXM helps alleviate cold symptoms. When taken in large quantities, it makes kids high.
As long as we have over-the-counter drugs that can be abused,which will always be here, there will always be Meth or drugs like Meth.

If the FDA is concerned about the dangers of Ephedra being used for METH production,then they should be equally concerned about Triple C and drugs like Triple C.

Why aren’t they?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[/quote]

DXM is a lot of fun, but don’t do it in the form of Coricidin or any cough syrup with APAP. DXM and Guafensein should be the only two ingredients. Like in Robitussin Max Strength. The effect of 4 to 6 oz is preferrable to me than alcohol. Rather than heighten emotions, it erases them. And the fun numbness that comes with hard drinking comes on much easier with DXM, which is a disassociative anesthetic similar to nitrous or ketamine.

Read about it at Erowid.org before you try, though, as there’s a warning for those who don’t produce a certain liver enzyme in sufficient quantities (like 10% of the population).

And the reason they won’t take it off the shelves, despite widespread abuse, is that they haven’t yet discovered anything less likely to be abused. DXM, after all, replaced codeine and hydrocodone. In fact, its chemical structure is similar to the opiods, and can cause a false positive on drug tests for opiods, though the effect is vastly different.