End of Don't Ask, Don't Tell

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Oh, and you missed my point about tolerance. If you’re intolerant to intolerance, you’re just as intolerant as me, making you a hypocrite.[/quote]

Not really, because your intolerance requires you to take actions which cannot be tolerated.

If you are “intolerant” without taking action you actually are tolerant.
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So…if you take action by voting for the repeal, does that make you intolerant of straight men who don’t want to serve with homosexuals?[/quote]

Good question.

I assume if they would be physically prevnted from working with them you could see it that way.

The overarching reason for tolerance is however that accept the right of other people to be who they are even if you do not agree with it so there is an element of not not tolerating intolerance yes.

Since that necessarily means being intolerant against acts of violence I have no real problem with that.

It is a fact that for better or worse the armed forces are paid for with public funds and everyone is forced to contribute so the government has no right to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation any more than they can exclude gays from public roads.

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I don’t know, Orion. I’m not comfortable driving next to gays.[/quote]

Suck it up.

It is their flamboyant cars isnt it?

Jimmy6:

It’s very much possible for homosexuality and heterosexuality to be normal, you disagreeing with that statement doesn’t give that sentiment any credibility.

What needs do the many have? They’ve no legitimate claims seeing as something as controversial as the desegregation of the military didn’t result in absolute chaos. If anything they may dislike the thought of serving with openly gay service members but it wont impede their ability to perform their duties anymore than other people working with openly gay coworkers.

Why should the standards include male and straight?

Heterosexual soldiers seem to lose focus when they’re harassing female soldiers, does it apply to them as well?

[quote]orion wrote:
Suck it up.

It is their flamboyant cars isnt it?

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No, they’ve to follow a code of conduct while serving as a driver so they can’t be too flamboyant. I’m just too immature to deal with them. What if he drives by with his partner in his car? That’s a tremendous distraction and wont allow me to perform my duties.

[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Jimmy6:

It’s very much possible for homosexuality and heterosexuality to be normal, you disagreeing with that statement doesn’t give that sentiment any credibility.

What needs do the many have? They’ve no legitimate claims seeing as something as controversial as the desegregation of the military didn’t result in absolute chaos. If anything they may dislike the thought of serving with openly gay service members but it wont impede their ability to perform their duties anymore than other people working with openly gay coworkers.

Why should the standards include male and straight?

Heterosexual soldiers seem to lose focus when they’re harassing female soldiers, does it apply to them as well?[/quote]

No, because women don’t belong in the military either. In fact less so than homosexuals. At least gay dudes can theoretically fulfill the physical demands of the job.

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Jimmy6:

It’s very much possible for homosexuality and heterosexuality to be normal, you disagreeing with that statement doesn’t give that sentiment any credibility.

What needs do the many have? They’ve no legitimate claims seeing as something as controversial as the desegregation of the military didn’t result in absolute chaos. If anything they may dislike the thought of serving with openly gay service members but it wont impede their ability to perform their duties anymore than other people working with openly gay coworkers.

Why should the standards include male and straight?

Heterosexual soldiers seem to lose focus when they’re harassing female soldiers, does it apply to them as well?[/quote]

No, because women don’t belong in the military either. In fact less so than homosexuals. At least gay dudes can theoretically fulfill the physical demands of the job.
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And what are you basing that off of, the website you linked to earlier? I wonder how the military would feel about losing a group that comprises 20% of the military.

Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. And yes, the website I linked earlier has valuable info in regards to this. I’ve personally been at the shitty end of the hypocrisy of the military’s equal employment opportunity policy, where men and women supposedly have the same chances for advancement.

Tell me, what’s equal about the standards for the physical assessment? Either you admit that women are physically weaker and simply shouldn’t do some jobs, or you have the same requirements. Can’t have it both ways.

A purely anecdotal story, but anytime I was alone with one of the females in my shop and a pilot called for a radar transmittter to the flight deck on the run for the next sortie (120 pound awkward ass piece of equipment) it was invariably me who had to do it. Now, I’m not complaining, it’s part of the job, but when ol’ girl gets the same eval as me, there’s a problem. Shit like this goes on ALL the time. Not to mention the headaches they cause with missed work cuz of pregnancy and their emotional instability in a stressful workplace.

And losing 20 percent of the military works out perfectly, since they’re trying to downsize last I heard anyway. Simple solution, just get rid of all the women not in support roles.

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. And yes, the website I linked earlier has valuable info in regards to this. I’ve personally been at the shitty end of the hypocrisy of the military’s equal employment opportunity policy, where men and women supposedly have the same chances for advancement. Tell me, what’s equal about the standards for the physical assessment? Either you admit that women are physically weaker and simply shouldn’t do some jobs, or you have the same requirements. Can’t have it both ways.

A purely anecdotal story, but anytime I was alone with one of the females in my shop and a pilot called for a radar transmittter to the flight deck on the run for the next sortie (120 pound awkward ass piece of equipment) it was invariably me who had to do it. Now, I’m not complaining, it’s part of the job, but when ol’ girl gets the same eval as me, there’s a problem. Shit like this goes on ALL the time. Not to mention the headaches they cause with missed work cuz of pregnancy and their emotional instability in a stressful workplace.
And losing 20 percent of the military works out perfectly, since they’re trying to downsize last I heard anyway. Simple solution, just get rid of all the women not in support roles.[/quote]

There are different standards for age and gender, probably because of their capabilities.

You weren’t saying that only women filling certain positions or possessing certain physical capabilities should be able to serve, you were saying they shouldn’t be allowed to serve period. If a woman meets the requirements then she should be able to fill that position.

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. And yes, the website I linked earlier has valuable info in regards to this. I’ve personally been at the shitty end of the hypocrisy of the military’s equal employment opportunity policy, where men and women supposedly have the same chances for advancement. Tell me, what’s equal about the standards for the physical assessment? Either you admit that women are physically weaker and simply shouldn’t do some jobs, or you have the same requirements. Can’t have it both ways.

A purely anecdotal story, but anytime I was alone with one of the females in my shop and a pilot called for a radar transmittter to the flight deck on the run for the next sortie (120 pound awkward ass piece of equipment) it was invariably me who had to do it. Now, I’m not complaining, it’s part of the job, but when ol’ girl gets the same eval as me, there’s a problem. Shit like this goes on ALL the time. Not to mention the headaches they cause with missed work cuz of pregnancy and their emotional instability in a stressful workplace.
And losing 20 percent of the military works out perfectly, since they’re trying to downsize last I heard anyway. Simple solution, just get rid of all the women not in support roles.[/quote]

There are different standards for age and gender, probably because of their capabilities.

You weren’t saying that only women filling certain positions or possessing certain physical capabilities should be able to serve, you were saying they shouldn’t be allowed to serve period. If a woman meets the requirements then she should be able to fill that position.[/quote]

No shit it’s because of their capabilities. As in, women aren’t as capable as men when it comes to physically demanding jobs.

And to be clear, I wasn’t flip flopping, I’ve always thought that women should still be allowed support roles, I just wasn’t detailing what i thought should happen in my previous post on the matter for the sake of simplicity. If it makes you happy I’ll formally withdraw whatever it was I said about women not serving earlier in favor of my most recent post. My apologies.

As for women that ARE capable of physical jobs, you’ll find in the website I linked that its absurdly unlikely. Even if you did find some freak of a chick who could pull it off, you’d still have to address the issue of deployability because of pregnancy.

Assuming anybody would want to impregnate a chick that looked like she-hulk, of course.

I am cutting/pasting an essay I wrote for English class. Some background on me, I am a Staff Sergeant, active duty Army, Infantry 11B3B40, I have been deployed to Iraq for 15 months, this has been an interesting conversation to far. I believe that one thing that has been touched on but not thoroughly explored in this thread is the fact that EO and sexual harassment policies will still be in effect.

Any member of the military (gay or straight) that makes an unwanted sexual advance can be reprimanded and have rank, pay, and privileges taken away (even prolonged staring can be considered sexual harassment). I think that with this legislation being passed homosexuals will be walking on eggshells, I really doubt that there will be any serious incidents. (Certainly no more than there are in the heterosexual community) and no as far as problems with bunking/showering I think that they need to be put in perspective; besides basic training I might have showered with a group in an open area maybe once or twice during my military career.

The bigots said similar comments about allowing blacks in the military, and also about allowing women. Welcome to the modern world, we need everything that is willing to do the job and able to do the job to be allowed to do the job. (I have attached a copy of my ERB so you can verify everything in my statement. Feel free to read the essay below I would love to get some feedback.

For the Defense of the Few:
An Essay defending the rights of Gay Americans
CSS101

 I would like to open my argument by doing two things; first, I would like to address directly how absurd this discussion is in the first place.  I am of course referring to the "debate" on Gay Marriage and Gay Rights.  First of all, we live in the United States, a supposed "free" society, so how is this even a debatable issue?  If two American Citizens live a certain lifestyle that is not causing harm to themselves or anybody else, who has the right to stop them?  I have never heard of homosexuals being anything but the victims in violent crimes.  

It is not like there are homosexual gangs running around committing murders, dealing drugs, or creating homosexual mafias or cartels, there are no homosexual terrorist groups, and there is virtually no violence in their movement, they just want to be treated equally and not harassed, and that is something that they have an absolute right to as citizens of this country. That being said, I would like to look at the historical context and timeframe in which we are choosing to address this issue: Our country has been at war for ten years, our borders are virtually wide open and drugs are pouring through, our schools are failing, the divorce rate for straight couples is fifty percent, and our economy is in shambles; why then are we so concerned about Gay Marriage when we have our entire country coming down around us?

Common sense dictates that we should come together and focus on how we are all in this together as American Citizens instead of turning on a small minority group. And just to be clear, let us define exactly the issue that we are talking about here; we are talking about two consenting adults who are United States citizens engaging in bedroom activity and coming into both a physical and legal union together that would be recognized by their government and which would be given all of the same benefits that heterosexual couples would enjoy. The issue is first and foremost tainted by a false perception, a perception that has been created and absolutely abused by the media, and since a majority of gay bashers have never met a homosexual, the view that the media presents is the only view they have of the homosexual community.

The issue is also a matter of science, in the sense that as long as the opposition can convince people that it is a life choice instead of something that is evolutionarily hard wired, they can turn it into a moral issue. After we have explored those two points, I am going to ask the religious right to hold a mirror up to its face, and actually put into practice the words of the teacher they profess to follow. I would also like to note at this time that I hold a passionate and completely biased view of the subject, and would love to get a response to this writing in the class forum from students.

 The Media likes to paint extreme caricatures of all groups, cultures, and subcultures to achieve ratings, shamelessly telling whatever story or airing whatever show will consistently grab headlines and keep people tuned in to their channel so that they can enjoy the most viewers, an increase in the number of viewers leads to more money from sponsors, more advertisements, and increased revenue from commercial clips.  Keeping that motive in mind, we can see why they put the most extreme and freaky images in the spotlight in order to add shock value and draw an audience. 

Want some examples? If you want to see the poorest depiction of white people, or of human beings in general, watch Jerry Springer, you will see the absolute most disgusting and depraved â??white trashâ?? imaginable. So does that fringe group accurately represent the majority of whites? No, of course not, but if you were, for the sake of this illustration, an African man watching this show and only this show on TV, and if you had never met a white person or seen any show where they were depicted in a positive light, your lack of perspective and real world experience would probably lead you to believe that all whites are that way.

A second example is the show COPS, where over 90% of the criminals shown are black. Does that accurately represent the majority of blacks? No, of course not, As of July 1, 2008, the estimated population of black residents in the United States is 41.1 million, since you have that information available to you; you can accurately use critical thinking to come to the conclusion that what you are seeing on TV is only a small portion of that culture, but what if you did not have that information? I would like to again point out, that the Media is using any and all techniques available to them to sensationalize every single issue in order to draw more viewers.

Let us together apply the same common sense to a TV station showing a news clip of a story involving homosexuals, you will most likely see a drag queen dressed in leather bondage gear whipping the naked ass of another man who is bending over and wearing chaps. Does that accurately represent the majority of homosexuals? No, of course it does not, it represents a small subculture, the tragedy is that historically the media has not shown enough â??normalâ?? gays and as a consequence weak minded or mentally lazy people just take what they see on TV as reality instead of going out into the world and seeing for themselves.

 This brings us to the issue of homosexuality being a rare but natural occurrence.  There is actually a wide range of Mammals in which homosexual behavior has been observed, well over two hundred species according to several researchers and multiple sources.  This brings us to the million dollar question; can we draw the conclusion from these facts that these animals made the choice to be gay?  Of course not, the idea is absolutely ludicrous, animals do not have any sense of moral code, they do not develop fetishes and they are not perverts, they simply follow their instincts, and in some rare cases those instincts lead to homosexuality.  

That being established let us walk down that trail of thought a bit further. Since the animals that were observed in these studies are mammals, and humans are mammals, how could one logically hold the position that homosexuality is a choice, a sin, or a perversion? Let us apply common sense one last time by thinking about the hostile attitude that this country has had in the past towards its homosexual citizens, keeping in mind that in a majority of areas, gays are denied equal rights, harassed, provoked, and insulted simply for being homosexual.

Why on earth, if it was a choice, would anybody walk down that road? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Why would an individual choose to feel or live a certain way if that way more often than not led to pain and isolation from the majority of their community?

 It is ironic how the religious right is going to such great lengths to persecute this minority group as if they were some huge threat, when the religious right has caused more wars, bloodshed, and atrocities than nearly any other group in history.  It is just completely ludicrous and it blows my mind that it is even being discussed and it points directly to the hypocrisy that the church is so filled with.  Answer me honestly Christians; as far as priorities go, do you think Jesus might be more concerned about the wars, famine, and disasters happening all over this planet than he would be with two men or two women choosing share a life together? 

Get your priorities straight, it just makes me absolutely sick that the religious right has the nerve to go on about love and peace and can attend their big mega churches once a week, and what do you think the sermon is going to be about? I mean considering everything going on in the world it should probably be about coming up with a collective, practical, real-world plan so that we can find ways to feed the poor, stop all of these wars, and get housing and clothing for the homeless right? But more often than not, the big issues mentioned above are ignored, and the religious people that actually pay anything more than lip service to those issues are few and far between.

However, religious people who feel that gays do not deserve to be treated as equal citizens are a dime a dozen. Not to mention their constant references to their bible that they use more often than not as a blunt object to bash gays with instead of reading and applying the content to their lives. (I would draw your attention to Matthew 7:5) All I am saying is that if you really believe that your god exists and that he is who he says he is, you can probably safely assume that he wants you to be going about more important work than oppressing homosexuals. What makes them unequal to you? Please tell me even one thing that makes homosexuals unequal to you as American Citizens, and give me one reason why your rights are more important than theirs.

You probably do not even know one gay person, and if you met one and this issue actually became something you could relate to on a personal level, you would probably be very surprised and reconsider your stance. And if you still would hold your position of hate, do you think that you have the nerve to look another human being in the eye and tell him or her that they are less of a person than you? That even though they are a citizen of this country they should not have the same inalienable rights as you do? That they cannot pursue their happiness, even though it is harming no-one?

You probably would not have the stomach to do that if you really got honest with yourself. I do not speak out of ignorance, I was raised in a Christian home and was a practicing Christian for a majority of my life, and I consider my parents loving people, but the church is so far out of touch with this issue that it is very disturbing.

 I would like to thank the reader at this point for taking the time to read my paper and consider my views.  I hope that at the very least I have given you food for thought and created some critical thinking for you on this issue.  I am fully aware of how heated I sound when discussing this issue, and there are many reasons for it.  Being a soldier, I have seen firsthand in Iraq the consequences of intolerance; I have seen the bodies of people that were shot and killed for belonging to the wrong religious group, I have read the newspaper articles about women in the Middle East being stoned for not doing, saying, or wearing the right thing. 

I have seen the absolute extreme of intolerance, and the evil that it causes; I believe that we need to be thankful in America for what we do have, while we have our share of problems, we also have a lot to be proud of as citizens of this country. Let us all work together to create a better America where everybody is given an equal chance and where bigotry is unheard of. Or, at the very least, let us at least agree as a country that right now, right this very second in our history, we have bigger problems to worry about than Jim and Joe getting married.

References:

African Americans by the Numbers Information Please® Database, © 2009 Pearson Education,
List of Animals Displaying Homosexual Behavior Wikipedia 2010, Retrieved fromâ?¦ www.wikipedia.com
Religious Wars Just Say No To Religion Retrieved fromâ?¦ http://justsaynotoreligion.com/religious-wars/

I don’t care if my mechanic is gay. It doesn’t bother me if my dentist is a homo. I’m not phased if my mailman takes it in the stern, so why should I be concerned if a soldier posted to defend me and my country is gay?
If you’re doing your job, who gives a shit if you dig dudes?

A member of the Special Forces told Pentagon officials that he’s been on duty with a gay soldier. “He’s big, he’s mean, he kills lots of bad guys. … No one cares that he’s gay.”

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
While I think ending this policy is good. I don�??�??�?�¢??t think it�??�??�?�¢??s an answer. While gays should be able to be who they are and fight for their country, so should people uncomfortable with situations this will create.

If per chance I wouldn�??�??�?�¢??t want to shower with a gay man in the room or bunk with one, I should still be able to serve my country too, right?

Additionally, if homosexuality is now an acceptable topic for people serving in the military it�??�??�?�¢??s got to be acceptable from all sides. If they are allowing people to come out in support of being homosexual, you must also allow people to express their beliefs on the subject even if they disagree with it.

Like I said, ending the policy is good, banning gays is wrong. But some things still need to be addressed. I don�??�??�?�¢??t know what the answer is.
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Well to be honest soldiers were already showering with gays soldiers, just not openly gay soldiers. A soldier being openly gay doesn’t mean that he’ll automatically try to have an intimate relationship with a heterosexual soldier or harass a heterosexual soldier either. If someone is bothered by the thought of interacting with a gay soldier then they’re under no obligations to join the military or remain in the military.
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Never said that they did. I Just wouldn’t be comfortable with it. It’s just who I am. Shouldn’t I be allowed to both be myself and serve?[/quote]

Sure, people can say they dislike the thought of serving with a homosexual, that dislike is patently irrelevant as to whether or not that soldier should be able to be openly gay while serving in the military though.[/quote]

I was talking about being openly anti-gay in the military. That should be tolerated, no?

Jimmy, sounds to me like you’re just rationalizing a personal disgust toward gays.

But let’s give you the benefit of the doubt, and see if you are willing to use common sense.

As I, Swole, Adicrosi, and others have pointed out, there is a strict sexual harassment policy in place. You even stated this yourself, when you said a whiff of harassment is quickly and severely acted upon in the military.

Obviously, you have nothing to worry about. If a gay soldier makes inappropriate advances on a fellow soldier, he will lose rank, salary, and potentially be discharged. The sexual harassment policy applies, regardless of the person’s sexual orientation.

As Obama said during the signing this morning, gay soliders have fought and bled for their country in every war since our inception. They have earned the right to live with integrity and honor.

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. [/quote]

Quoted for teh lulz.

You have disqualified yourself from making any legit argument.

You FAIL.

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. [/quote]

Quoted for teh lulz.

You have disqualified yourself from making any legit argument.

You FAIL.
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YOU fail, for not offering a valid reason as to why I fail. What I said may be a little out there but I’ve yet to see a valid counter argument. Just hearin a lot of “oh no no you’re crazy man” but no ones really addressing the points I made.

[quote]forlife wrote:
Jimmy, sounds to me like you’re just rationalizing a personal disgust toward gays.

But let’s give you the benefit of the doubt, and see if you are willing to use common sense.

As I, Swole, Adicrosi, and others have pointed out, there is a strict sexual harassment policy in place. You even stated this yourself, when you said a whiff of harassment is quickly and severely acted upon in the military.

Obviously, you have nothing to worry about. If a gay soldier makes inappropriate advances on a fellow soldier, he will lose rank, salary, and potentially be discharged. The sexual harassment policy applies, regardless of the person’s sexual orientation.

As Obama said during the signing this morning, gay soliders have fought and bled for their country in every war since our inception. They have earned the right to live with integrity and honor. [/quote]

Go back and read where I talk about how no one’s willing to reprimand any of the lewd things that gays do because its such a touchy issue. All good in theory, not practice.

Adicrosi, Why’d you post an article about gay marriage? Thought we were talking about DADT.

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Jimmy, sounds to me like you’re just rationalizing a personal disgust toward gays.

But let’s give you the benefit of the doubt, and see if you are willing to use common sense.

As I, Swole, Adicrosi, and others have pointed out, there is a strict sexual harassment policy in place. You even stated this yourself, when you said a whiff of harassment is quickly and severely acted upon in the military.

Obviously, you have nothing to worry about. If a gay soldier makes inappropriate advances on a fellow soldier, he will lose rank, salary, and potentially be discharged. The sexual harassment policy applies, regardless of the person’s sexual orientation.

As Obama said during the signing this morning, gay soliders have fought and bled for their country in every war since our inception. They have earned the right to live with integrity and honor. [/quote]

Go back and read where I talk about how no one’s willing to reprimand any of the lewd things that gays do because its such a touchy issue. All good in theory, not practice.[/quote]

What touchy issue? Gays are now allowed to be honest about their sexual orientation. This doesn’t give them the right to sexually harass others, any more than heteros can sexually harass others. Where is your proof that sexual harassment by gays wouldn’t be prosecuted? Nobody would stand for that, including gays themselves.

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. [/quote]

Quoted for teh lulz.

You have disqualified yourself from making any legit argument.

You FAIL.
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YOU fail, for not offering a valid reason as to why I fail. What I said may be a little out there but I’ve yet to see a valid counter argument. Just hearin a lot of “oh no no you’re crazy man” but no ones really addressing the points I made.[/quote]

I quoted your ignorant statement about woman in the military. There is no need to counter argue your verbal poop. And what you have been saying is more than just, “a little out there”.

It’s clear you are a little man with major issues. Luckily, you aren’t in the military anymore.

Again what I have is anecdotal, but when the stories I told above were reported nothing was done to the homo in question. There were also numerous extra-curricular activities going on in the female berthing and when reported by the freaked out straight females, nothing happened. Save for one girl, who got in trouble for reporting two girls having sex in a rack because she shouldn’t have been in the berthing at that time.

Nobody in charge wants to be the “homophobe” who kicks the gay person out.

My friend, upon hearing the news of the DADT repeal; “I feel sorry for the girls berthing”.

Yes yes yes, I know I don’t speak for everyone. I can’t offer proof about what MAY happen. But experience should count for something, and if gays were this aggressive when they were SUPPOSED to be walking on egg shells, they most certainly will not be when allowed to be out in the open.

How come no ones brought up the issue of how expensive this will be? We really don’t have the money for this repeal, by the way.

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jimmy6 wrote:
Nah, we wouldn’t lose 'em all. I recommend that they still be allowed to do support type jobs, ie nurse or admin roles. Just as long as they’re not involved in anything physical or in a war zone. [/quote]

Quoted for teh lulz.

You have disqualified yourself from making any legit argument.

You FAIL.
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YOU fail, for not offering a valid reason as to why I fail. What I said may be a little out there but I’ve yet to see a valid counter argument. Just hearin a lot of “oh no no you’re crazy man” but no ones really addressing the points I made.[/quote]

I quoted your ignorant statement about woman in the military. There is no need to counter argue your verbal poop. And what you have been saying is more than just, “a little out there”.

It’s clear you are a little man with major issues. Luckily, you aren’t in the military anymore.[/quote]

Read it^. Then read it again. Then maybe once more for good measure. Lol @ litle man with issues, internet doctor. If you can’t come up with a decent response just say that, don’t pretend you don’t want to.