or criminology…
Liberal Arts
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What beans said. Your attitude REEKS of entitlement. The world doesn’t owe you shit, son. It isn’t fair. In the economic game of musical chairs, it’s the person who has networked properly and developed effective relationships and alliances that will have a seat when the music stops.
Have you ever heard of the phrase, “it’s not WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know”? That’s how the world works. From the highest levels of business and politics down to the waiter and the valet… Your obvious disdain and contempt for such a BASIC tenant of the human condition is the reason you are in the position you presently find yourself.
It’s not fair. There are LOTS of very well qualified people who lose positions and opportunities to less qualified people. It happens every day. I hear them bitching about it all the time - sometimes even on these forums, “I’m not kissing anyone’s ass” or ,“the only reason he got the job is cuz he sucks better dick than I do”. Keep telling yourself that on the way to the unemployment office.
Business is WAR and war is strategy. Strategy is what it is. It can be unpleasant sometimes. If you want to have the choice to live with integrity and honor, then CHOOSE a path that will allow you to do so AND maintain financial stability. Again, it is YOU who have failed to do this… It is YOUR failure to recognize this that has gotten you here! Ten thousand years ago your genes would have been weeded out of existence… Think about that.
Grow the fuck up and stop making excuses and blaming others. Accept responsibility for your actions and your present circumstance. Only then will you be able to see the path that is the most advantageous.
In closing, I would say that your attitude that, “my boss is a millionaire so he can afford me” is simply JUVENILE. He is a millionaire BECAUSE he makes smart business decisions. Sometimes that means cutting hours. You are in NO place to second guess the decisions of a man of such net worth when you can’t even keep a fucking job as valet.
This is tough luv, but you need to hear it. Now you can either get mad at me or embarrassed OR you can take a gut check, put your ego on the shelf and make a profound paradigm shift and improve your life. I would invite you to choose the latter. Good luck. [/quote]
Do you have any suggestions for books that deal with this topic or do you learn purely from experience? The cliche recommendation would probably be The Art of War or some shit, but as a college student who is seeing this aspect of life more and more, I’d like to get ahead of the curve on this topic before I’m placed in the situation where I really need it.
I’d like to hire pushmepullme to bench press for me and screw the bejeezus out of her while she’s arching her back.
I just got a new job today actually, thanks for all the advice guys. I don’t plan on pursuing anything, except I would REALLY like to see all of that “insurance” money back. Its almost $1000 now that I have had to basically give back to them. I also was basically coerced into paying $500 out of the $600 it cost to fix a scratch I put in someone’s truck. Something didn’t feel right about that, either.
Get a big dick full of confidence and get a new job - period.
Nobody is going to do it for you. Nobody is going to come up to you, shake your hand and say “Man, you’re exactly what I’m looking for, for this sanitation engineering position”. Nobody is going to walk up, drop you a job offer and sit there all giddy hoping you take it.
You better get out there and do it yourself and fast, or a year is gonna go by and you’re still sitting there on the curb, with you hat in your hands with a sign around your neck saying “will blow for bus fair”.
You talk about getting back at your current employer for him cutting your hours cause you “despise the people you serve”? Wow… I wouldn’t have cut your hours - I would have cut you loose and a long time ago…
Listen man, you sound like a good kid, stuck in the wrong type of job - dealing with people.
I suggest you spend a couple weeks taking note of your skills, abilities, attributes and figure out how best to market/sell yourself… Once you got that figured out, get a quality resume (lots and LOTS to free examples on the net of quality resumes (and don’t pick some floral shit - think of what a CEO/VP would use - that’s the style you want)) and then start dropping in, talking to employers, and actually selling yourself (again, the dick full of confidence is a must here).
Ideally in your situation, you may want to find yourself a job that doesn’t deal directly with people…
[quote]Smallfry69 wrote:
Get a big dick full of confidence and get a new job - period.
Nobody is going to do it for you. Nobody is going to come up to you, shake your hand and say “Man, you’re exactly what I’m looking for, for this sanitation engineering position”. Nobody is going to walk up, drop you a job offer and sit there all giddy hoping you take it.
You better get out there and do it yourself and fast, or a year is gonna go by and you’re still sitting there on the curb, with you hat in your hands with a sign around your neck saying “will blow for bus fair”.
You talk about getting back at your current employer for him cutting your hours cause you “despise the people you serve”? Wow… I wouldn’t have cut your hours - I would have cut you loose and a long time ago…
Listen man, you sound like a good kid, stuck in the wrong type of job - dealing with people.
I suggest you spend a couple weeks taking note of your skills, abilities, attributes and figure out how best to market/sell yourself… Once you got that figured out, get a quality resume (lots and LOTS to free examples on the net of quality resumes (and don’t pick some floral shit - think of what a CEO/VP would use - that’s the style you want)) and then start dropping in, talking to employers, and actually selling yourself (again, the dick full of confidence is a must here). Ideally in your situation, you may want to find yourself a job that doesn’t deal directly with people…[/quote]
thanks, I just secured a new one today that doesn’t involve dealing with people. Also, like I said, I may have completely despised some of the people I had to serve, but I did it anyway and I did it well for almost 2 years.
How old are you? Everyone keeps referring to you as “kid” but I thought I read you are in your thirties.
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Start your own valet company and underbid him with all of his clients. [/quote]
Call it Steve’s Valet Service and dummies like Fightin’ Irish and Blew Ninja will hire you to park they cars cuz they think you teh girlz![/quote]
but don’t hire girls, you know bad women drivers
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Start your own valet company and underbid him with all of his clients. [/quote]
Call it Steve’s Valet Service and dummies like Fightin’ Irish and Blew Ninja will hire you to park they cars cuz they think you teh girlz![/quote]
but don’t hire girls, you know bad women drivers
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I had the opposite idea. The Hooters of valet services but with a catchy name that I am not clever enough to come up with.
Sure some cars are gonna get wrecked. Just tell the girls to stomp and pout and jump up and down when they ding one up.
Lankymofo, I am certainly still a kid at 26 years old. I aspire to be a man… one day.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]sen say wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Start your own valet company and underbid him with all of his clients. [/quote]
Call it Steve’s Valet Service and dummies like Fightin’ Irish and Blew Ninja will hire you to park they cars cuz they think you teh girlz![/quote]
but don’t hire girls, you know bad women drivers
[/quote]
I had the opposite idea. The Hooters of valet services but with a catchy name that I am not clever enough to come up with.
Sure some cars are gonna get wrecked. Just tell the girls to stomp and pout and jump up and down when they ding one up.
[/quote]
True… that does work, and with the stomping comes the jiggling.
Good idea!
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What beans said. Your attitude REEKS of entitlement. The world doesn’t owe you shit, son. It isn’t fair. In the economic game of musical chairs, it’s the person who has networked properly and developed effective relationships and alliances that will have a seat when the music stops.
Have you ever heard of the phrase, “it’s not WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know”? That’s how the world works. From the highest levels of business and politics down to the waiter and the valet… Your obvious disdain and contempt for such a BASIC tenant of the human condition is the reason you are in the position you presently find yourself.
It’s not fair. There are LOTS of very well qualified people who lose positions and opportunities to less qualified people. It happens every day. I hear them bitching about it all the time - sometimes even on these forums, “I’m not kissing anyone’s ass” or ,“the only reason he got the job is cuz he sucks better dick than I do”. Keep telling yourself that on the way to the unemployment office.
Business is WAR and war is strategy. Strategy is what it is. It can be unpleasant sometimes. If you want to have the choice to live with integrity and honor, then CHOOSE a path that will allow you to do so AND maintain financial stability. Again, it is YOU who have failed to do this… It is YOUR failure to recognize this that has gotten you here! Ten thousand years ago your genes would have been weeded out of existence… Think about that.
Grow the fuck up and stop making excuses and blaming others. Accept responsibility for your actions and your present circumstance. Only then will you be able to see the path that is the most advantageous.
In closing, I would say that your attitude that, “my boss is a millionaire so he can afford me” is simply JUVENILE. He is a millionaire BECAUSE he makes smart business decisions. Sometimes that means cutting hours. You are in NO place to second guess the decisions of a man of such net worth when you can’t even keep a fucking job as valet.
This is tough luv, but you need to hear it. Now you can either get mad at me or embarrassed OR you can take a gut check, put your ego on the shelf and make a profound paradigm shift and improve your life. I would invite you to choose the latter. Good luck. [/quote]
Do you have any suggestions for books that deal with this topic or do you learn purely from experience? The cliche recommendation would probably be The Art of War or some shit, but as a college student who is seeing this aspect of life more and more, I’d like to get ahead of the curve on this topic before I’m placed in the situation where I really need it.
[/quote]
I’m regularly asked this question via PM and on the forums ( and IRL ). I think I will put up a list of resources or some kind of curriculum. To answer your question, I draw upon both my experience (which is a bit different than most folks) as well as resources. You are correct about the Art of War - I own about five different translations. But to just go and read the Art of War with no context is kinda pointless (and is just one of HUNDREDS of books that I’ve read and learned from). I started my evolution by spending two and half years working in a prison library almost 20 years ago…
There are different levels that our mind operates on: Spirit/physics; Reality; Identity; Beliefs; Values; Understanding; Strategy; Tactics; Skills; Habits; Actions (that’s off the top of my head, and not written in stone). One can make the most profound change by working at the higher levels, as it changes everything below it. For example, an Identity level change is more effective and permanent than working on a Habit…
You must take the Hero’s Journey (Robert Bly, Joseph Campbell). To do this, you must begin by accessing the Magician part of your psyche (the archtypical model that I use for the male psyche is comprised of the King, Warrior, Magician, Lover - Carl Jung) and the way to deal with this is through archetypes and myth. You take a journey down the rabbit hole, dig up what you find and kill it (hint: the boy must die). Modern society lacks a ritual that changes boys into men and the result is we have a bunch of adult “boys” running around consuming everything the media throws at them. Kill the boy. If you don’t, the rest will be meaningless.
Once you’ve done that, myth gives way to history and geography (ancient to modern - check out Big History by David Christian), history gives way to philosophy which leads to mathematics and the physical sciences. Once you have this knowledge and understanding you will have a BASIC CONTEXT with which to view the world.
After this you need to read the Western Cannon (about 60 or 70 books from Homer to Freud which have shaped Western civilization). Next, I would compliment that with ten or twenty books on eastern philosophy. Now you can start learning about strategy, psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and start to understand how humans tick. The patterns will begin to make sense and become predictable.
At the same time, you should be building yourself physically as well (your being here makes me assume you are already doing that). Play a sport if you can. Rugby is the closest thing to battle we have recreationally and will develop that part of your brain. Also martial arts (to a degree), if you are so inclined.
Spiritually you need to figure out who your God is and spend some time every day with that. Meditate and control your breath. Read the Bible, Koran, Lotus Sutra, Tao de Jing, etc… Understand religion and why we have it, but look at it from the BIG picture. Get some fucking altitude and don’t be a sheep.
Emotionally you must develop a mature boundary function (Mind OS by Dr. Paul Dobranski is a great resource for this).
Economically start with Adam Smith and understand how compound interest works - I mean REALLY UNDERSTAND it… In business the areas of study are: The English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing and Public Speaking.
If you ever make it that far, you won’t need any more direction from me.
If I had to do it over again that’s about how I would do it.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I had the opposite idea. The Hooters of valet services but with a catchy name that I am not clever enough to come up with.
Sure some cars are gonna get wrecked. Just tell the girls to stomp and pout and jump up and down when they ding one up.
[/quote]
True… that does work, and with the stomping comes the jiggling.
Good idea!
[/quote]
As my business partner, first officer, and creative consultant could you help me out with a name?
SkyzykSs parking and boobies doesn’t quite roll off of the tongue.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
If you have a degree and are having trouble keeping a valet job its time to look at what’s wrong with you, not the company.
If you really can’t find a job that will utilize your degree that will pay equal to a valet if not more, you need to look at what’s wrong with you.
If you are willing to fk over a business in this economy and waste your time filing complaints with the IRS, you need to look at what’s wrong with you.
If the hardest part of your job is being nice to strangers and your are failing, you… well you get the point.
So I think the question is, wtf is wrong with you?
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you obviously are not mr. current events, I believe I read somewhere that the economy in the U.S. as well as the world is in shambles. Not many businesses are actively hiring. A co-worker of mine also has the same degree as me, from the same school as me, and is still working valet. I am nice to strangers, I am nice to everyone, that’s not the issue. [/quote]
Question, what is your degree in?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What beans said. Your attitude REEKS of entitlement. The world doesn’t owe you shit, son. It isn’t fair. In the economic game of musical chairs, it’s the person who has networked properly and developed effective relationships and alliances that will have a seat when the music stops.
Have you ever heard of the phrase, “it’s not WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know”? That’s how the world works. From the highest levels of business and politics down to the waiter and the valet… Your obvious disdain and contempt for such a BASIC tenant of the human condition is the reason you are in the position you presently find yourself.
It’s not fair. There are LOTS of very well qualified people who lose positions and opportunities to less qualified people. It happens every day. I hear them bitching about it all the time - sometimes even on these forums, “I’m not kissing anyone’s ass” or ,“the only reason he got the job is cuz he sucks better dick than I do”. Keep telling yourself that on the way to the unemployment office.
Business is WAR and war is strategy. Strategy is what it is. It can be unpleasant sometimes. If you want to have the choice to live with integrity and honor, then CHOOSE a path that will allow you to do so AND maintain financial stability. Again, it is YOU who have failed to do this… It is YOUR failure to recognize this that has gotten you here! Ten thousand years ago your genes would have been weeded out of existence… Think about that.
Grow the fuck up and stop making excuses and blaming others. Accept responsibility for your actions and your present circumstance. Only then will you be able to see the path that is the most advantageous.
In closing, I would say that your attitude that, “my boss is a millionaire so he can afford me” is simply JUVENILE. He is a millionaire BECAUSE he makes smart business decisions. Sometimes that means cutting hours. You are in NO place to second guess the decisions of a man of such net worth when you can’t even keep a fucking job as valet.
This is tough luv, but you need to hear it. Now you can either get mad at me or embarrassed OR you can take a gut check, put your ego on the shelf and make a profound paradigm shift and improve your life. I would invite you to choose the latter. Good luck. [/quote]
Do you have any suggestions for books that deal with this topic or do you learn purely from experience? The cliche recommendation would probably be The Art of War or some shit, but as a college student who is seeing this aspect of life more and more, I’d like to get ahead of the curve on this topic before I’m placed in the situation where I really need it.
[/quote]
I’m regularly asked this question via PM and on the forums ( and IRL ). I think I will put up a list of resources or some kind of curriculum. To answer your question, I draw upon both my experience (which is a bit different than most folks) as well as resources. You are correct about the Art of War - I own about five different translations. But to just go and read the Art of War with no context is kinda pointless (and is just one of HUNDREDS of books that I’ve read and learned from). I started my evolution by spending two and half years working in a prison library almost 20 years ago…
There are different levels that our mind operates on: Spirit/physics; Reality; Identity; Beliefs; Values; Understanding; Strategy; Tactics; Skills; Habits; Actions (that’s off the top of my head, and not written in stone). One can make the most profound change by working at the higher levels, as it changes everything below it. For example, an Identity level change is more effective and permanent than working on a Habit…
You must take the Hero’s Journey (Robert Bly, Joseph Campbell). To do this, you must begin by accessing the Magician part of your psyche (the archtypical model that I use for the male psyche is comprised of the King, Warrior, Magician, Lover - Carl Jung) and the way to deal with this is through archetypes and myth. You take a journey down the rabbit hole, dig up what you find and kill it (hint: the boy must die). Modern society lacks a ritual that changes boys into men and the result is we have a bunch of adult “boys” running around consuming everything the media throws at them. Kill the boy. If you don’t, the rest will be meaningless.
Once you’ve done that, myth gives way to history and geography (ancient to modern - check out Big History by David Christian), history gives way to philosophy which leads to mathematics and the physical sciences. Once you have this knowledge and understanding you will have a BASIC CONTEXT with which to view the world.
After this you need to read the Western Cannon (about 60 or 70 books from Homer to Freud which have shaped Western civilization). Next, I would compliment that with ten or twenty books on eastern philosophy. Now you can start learning about strategy, psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and start to understand how humans tick. The patterns will begin to make sense and become predictable.
At the same time, you should be building yourself physically as well (your being here makes me assume you are already doing that). Play a sport if you can. Rugby is the closest thing to battle we have recreationally and will develop that part of your brain. Also martial arts (to a degree), if you are so inclined.
Spiritually you need to figure out who your God is and spend some time every day with that. Meditate and control your breath. Read the Bible, Koran, Lotus Sutra, Tao de Jing, etc… Understand religion and why we have it, but look at it from the BIG picture. Get some fucking altitude and don’t be a sheep.
Emotionally you must develop a mature boundary function (Mind OS by Dr. Paul Dobranski is a great resource for this).
Economically start with Adam Smith and understand how compound interest works - I mean REALLY UNDERSTAND it… In business the areas of study are: The English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing and Public Speaking.
If you ever make it that far, you won’t need any more direction from me.
If I had to do it over again that’s about how I would do it.
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I wanted to bump this to make sure it gets read. Can’t let it get washed away!!
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’m just not the “friends with everyone and talk to people for no reason” type, which is why I believe they are doing this.
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And know this will likely be the anchor around the neck of your chosen career for the rest of you life…
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I just got a new job today actually, thanks for all the advice guys. I don’t plan on pursuing anything, except I would REALLY like to see all of that “insurance” money back. Its almost $1000 now that I have had to basically give back to them. I also was basically coerced into paying $500 out of the $600 it cost to fix a scratch I put in someone’s truck. Something didn’t feel right about that, either. [/quote]
Well, I would actually look into those two things given your relative small wages there. And they most certainly have insurance coverage to cover events like scratching someone’s car. That one was definitely bullshit. I do agree with you here.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Yada yada yada, I’m a dirty whore… Kill the boy. If you don’t, the rest will be meaningless.
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Did anyone else read AC’s post and interpret it the way I did???
Gotta go boy hunting now, be back in a bit!
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
In business the areas of study are: The English Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing and Pub
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Plus spread sheets, some finance, controlling and bookkeeping.
Boring but otherwise you are flying blind.