[quote]
Wouldn’t have figured you for a blondes guy.[/quote]
I’m not!
I’m much more of a dark hair, light eyes guy. But beautiful is beautiful.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.
She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.
She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.
Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]
Hahaha. [/quote]
Men actually do get a crisis if this works…
Which it will…
Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…
O_O…[/quote]
Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]
Actually,yes I was assuming that.
It never accured to me that they would not leave.
Well, I would throw her out then.
[/quote]
Such attempts could be considered abuse.
Trust me on that.
[/quote]
Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.
They always got out, what can I say.
Must read up on Austrian laws.[/quote]
Coming back to this because I was on vacation with Hockey’s entire extended family last week, I think the difference is not so much law but relationship. If Hockey told me to get out of our co-owned house, which is simply unimaginable, I would undoubtedly tell him to fuck off. I would leave eventually, of course, but I would do so after coming to an agreement concerning the disposition of the shared property and after obtaining alternate housing.
If he told me to get out of his car, in which I have no ownership stake, I can only imagine that I would say “no, take me home.”
On the other hand, if a guy I’d gone on a couple of dates with told me to get out of his car I probably would, because of worries about a potentially scary, and definitely uncaring, lunatic. I would feel better away from him, and would have no misgivings about calling a friend to say “you won’t believe what just happened, I need you to come get me.” To make that call because Hockey was in a power/control snit would embarrass me, hence my refusal to play along.
Once again your frame only works when applied to the most tenuous relationships. And maybe they do want to have sex with you after but how many times do you see that working? Are you thinking it’s a permanent, one-time solution to disrespectful treatment?
LoRez, how’s it going? Any gains made in communicating?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.
She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.
She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.
Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]
Hahaha. [/quote]
Men actually do get a crisis if this works…
Which it will…
Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…
O_O…[/quote]
Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]
Actually,yes I was assuming that.
It never accured to me that they would not leave.
Well, I would throw her out then.
[/quote]
Such attempts could be considered abuse.
Trust me on that.
[/quote]
Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.
They always got out, what can I say.
Must read up on Austrian laws.[/quote]
Coming back to this because I was on vacation with Hockey’s entire extended family last week, I think the difference is not so much law but relationship. If Hockey told me to get out of our co-owned house, which is simply unimaginable, I would undoubtedly tell him to fuck off. I would leave eventually, of course, but I would do so after coming to an agreement concerning the disposition of the shared property and after obtaining alternate housing.
If he told me to get out of his car, in which I have no ownership stake, I can only imagine that I would say “no, take me home.”
On the other hand, if a guy I’d gone on a couple of dates with told me to get out of his car I probably would, because of worries about a potentially scary, and definitely uncaring, lunatic. I would feel better away from him, and would have no misgivings about calling a friend to say “you won’t believe what just happened, I need you to come get me.” To make that call because Hockey was in a power/control snit would embarrass me, hence my refusal to play along.
Once again your frame only works when applied to the most tenuous relationships. And maybe they do want to have sex with you after but how many times do you see that working? Are you thinking it’s a permanent, one-time solution to disrespectful treatment?
[/quote]
How often do I see that working?
Every single time.
As I said, I dont do that that often.
If I do it, they fucking deserve it and they know it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.
She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.
She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.
Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]
Hahaha. [/quote]
Men actually do get a crisis if this works…
Which it will…
Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…
O_O…[/quote]
Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]
Actually,yes I was assuming that.
It never accured to me that they would not leave.
Well, I would throw her out then.
[/quote]
Such attempts could be considered abuse.
Trust me on that.
[/quote]
Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.
They always got out, what can I say.
Must read up on Austrian laws.[/quote]
Coming back to this because I was on vacation with Hockey’s entire extended family last week, I think the difference is not so much law but relationship. If Hockey told me to get out of our co-owned house, which is simply unimaginable, I would undoubtedly tell him to fuck off. I would leave eventually, of course, but I would do so after coming to an agreement concerning the disposition of the shared property and after obtaining alternate housing.
If he told me to get out of his car, in which I have no ownership stake, I can only imagine that I would say “no, take me home.”
On the other hand, if a guy I’d gone on a couple of dates with told me to get out of his car I probably would, because of worries about a potentially scary, and definitely uncaring, lunatic. I would feel better away from him, and would have no misgivings about calling a friend to say “you won’t believe what just happened, I need you to come get me.” To make that call because Hockey was in a power/control snit would embarrass me, hence my refusal to play along.
Once again your frame only works when applied to the most tenuous relationships. And maybe they do want to have sex with you after but how many times do you see that working? Are you thinking it’s a permanent, one-time solution to disrespectful treatment?
[/quote]
How often do I see that working?
Every single time.
As I said, I dont do that that often.
If I do it, they fucking deserve it and they know it. [/quote]
Could you give some detail as to the nature of the relationships, orion? Dates, FWBs, girlfriends? The question is curious rather than combative. I have a hard time imagining that happening to me. That may be due to my relatively mild temperament, but I really think it probably has more to do with my tendency not to date casually, which makes for high investment on both our parts (i.e. men might hesitate to escalate things to that degree).
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.
She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.
She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.
Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]
Hahaha. [/quote]
Men actually do get a crisis if this works…
Which it will…
Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…
O_O…[/quote]
Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]
Actually,yes I was assuming that.
It never accured to me that they would not leave.
Well, I would throw her out then.
[/quote]
Such attempts could be considered abuse.
Trust me on that.
[/quote]
Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.
They always got out, what can I say.
Must read up on Austrian laws.[/quote]
Coming back to this because I was on vacation with Hockey’s entire extended family last week, I think the difference is not so much law but relationship. If Hockey told me to get out of our co-owned house, which is simply unimaginable, I would undoubtedly tell him to fuck off. I would leave eventually, of course, but I would do so after coming to an agreement concerning the disposition of the shared property and after obtaining alternate housing.
If he told me to get out of his car, in which I have no ownership stake, I can only imagine that I would say “no, take me home.”
On the other hand, if a guy I’d gone on a couple of dates with told me to get out of his car I probably would, because of worries about a potentially scary, and definitely uncaring, lunatic. I would feel better away from him, and would have no misgivings about calling a friend to say “you won’t believe what just happened, I need you to come get me.” To make that call because Hockey was in a power/control snit would embarrass me, hence my refusal to play along.
Once again your frame only works when applied to the most tenuous relationships. And maybe they do want to have sex with you after but how many times do you see that working? Are you thinking it’s a permanent, one-time solution to disrespectful treatment?
[/quote]
How often do I see that working?
Every single time.
As I said, I dont do that that often.
If I do it, they fucking deserve it and they know it. [/quote]
Could you give some detail as to the nature of the relationships, orion? Dates, FWBs, girlfriends? The question is curious rather than combative. I have a hard time imagining that happening to me. That may be due to my relatively mild temperament, but I really think it probably has more to do with my tendency not to date casually, which makes for high investment on both our parts (i.e. men might hesitate to escalate things to that degree).[/quote]
It also has to do with your reasonableness and the quality of the men that you spend time with.[/quote]
Okay, so what do you think of the advice? Let’s say LoRez, to whom it was directed and who is also a “quality man,” took this approach with his occasionally-less-reasonable girlfriend. What do you see as the outcome? Positive or negative?
Personally I feel that limits on poor behavior need to be set from both sides. I’m just not sure what they should be or how they work, ideally.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.
She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.
She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.
Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]
Hahaha. [/quote]
Men actually do get a crisis if this works…
Which it will…
Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…
O_O…[/quote]
Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]
Actually,yes I was assuming that.
It never accured to me that they would not leave.
Well, I would throw her out then.
[/quote]
Such attempts could be considered abuse.
Trust me on that.
[/quote]
Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.
They always got out, what can I say.
Must read up on Austrian laws.[/quote]
Coming back to this because I was on vacation with Hockey’s entire extended family last week, I think the difference is not so much law but relationship. If Hockey told me to get out of our co-owned house, which is simply unimaginable, I would undoubtedly tell him to fuck off. I would leave eventually, of course, but I would do so after coming to an agreement concerning the disposition of the shared property and after obtaining alternate housing.
If he told me to get out of his car, in which I have no ownership stake, I can only imagine that I would say “no, take me home.”
On the other hand, if a guy I’d gone on a couple of dates with told me to get out of his car I probably would, because of worries about a potentially scary, and definitely uncaring, lunatic. I would feel better away from him, and would have no misgivings about calling a friend to say “you won’t believe what just happened, I need you to come get me.” To make that call because Hockey was in a power/control snit would embarrass me, hence my refusal to play along.
Once again your frame only works when applied to the most tenuous relationships. And maybe they do want to have sex with you after but how many times do you see that working? Are you thinking it’s a permanent, one-time solution to disrespectful treatment?
[/quote]
How often do I see that working?
Every single time.
As I said, I dont do that that often.
If I do it, they fucking deserve it and they know it. [/quote]
Could you give some detail as to the nature of the relationships, orion? Dates, FWBs, girlfriends? The question is curious rather than combative. I have a hard time imagining that happening to me. That may be due to my relatively mild temperament, but I really think it probably has more to do with my tendency not to date casually, which makes for high investment on both our parts (i.e. men might hesitate to escalate things to that degree).[/quote]
The girl I thought about this tried to manipulate me with her sexual wiles, which is the one thing I am really allergic too.
Especially if she only has sexual wiles because I taught her.
Anyhow, she makes her move, I am getting pissed, get dressed, tell her to get dressed, Imma gonna drive her home.
In the car I am seething, because this whole “I will probably not get a ring through your nose but through your dick because I have the vagina to end all vaginas”, really, really, REALLY…anyhow, she tried to paddle back and made mistake number two, which was the exact same as number one, she offered to blow me in the car.
Which is when I was repulsed by her, by what she thought me to be and by life in general.
This girl stalked me for months.
She called me repeatedly, I blocked her number.
She called me without her number showing, to this day, if I cannot see your number your call gets rejected automatically.
She called from different cell phones, she tried sex, she tried damseling, she tried everything.
It´s not that I necessarily believe that women are only “good for one thing”…well, “two if they can cook”, but some women do not only believe that to be true of themselves, they also think their vajayjay is made of gold.
I blame the spineless, sycophant adolatores orbiting these women for their delusions.
If you even want a chance of a relationship, you better pull that tooth quickly.
I am under the impression that people (men people) (my men person, specifically) are happy when I use my sexual wiles for whatever reason, or for no reason whatsoever.
I don’t understand why a delay, as I understand it, for sex upset you. Perhaps she was just feeling frisky? While we don’t make other people wait for us, it is not unusual here for planned tasks or entertainments to be delayed due to such things. If I initiate it with my wiles (eyebrow wiggle while changing shirts, say) what harm is done?
Why is this so triggering for you? Weren’t you the one who stated the importance of making men feel wanted?
Though stalking, etc, are not good obviously.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.
She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.
She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.
Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]
Hahaha. [/quote]
Men actually do get a crisis if this works…
Which it will…
Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…
O_O…[/quote]
Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]
Actually,yes I was assuming that.
It never accured to me that they would not leave.
Well, I would throw her out then.
[/quote]
Such attempts could be considered abuse.
Trust me on that.
[/quote]
Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.
They always got out, what can I say.
Must read up on Austrian laws.[/quote]
Coming back to this because I was on vacation with Hockey’s entire extended family last week, I think the difference is not so much law but relationship. If Hockey told me to get out of our co-owned house, which is simply unimaginable, I would undoubtedly tell him to fuck off. I would leave eventually, of course, but I would do so after coming to an agreement concerning the disposition of the shared property and after obtaining alternate housing.
If he told me to get out of his car, in which I have no ownership stake, I can only imagine that I would say “no, take me home.”
On the other hand, if a guy I’d gone on a couple of dates with told me to get out of his car I probably would, because of worries about a potentially scary, and definitely uncaring, lunatic. I would feel better away from him, and would have no misgivings about calling a friend to say “you won’t believe what just happened, I need you to come get me.” To make that call because Hockey was in a power/control snit would embarrass me, hence my refusal to play along.
Once again your frame only works when applied to the most tenuous relationships. And maybe they do want to have sex with you after but how many times do you see that working? Are you thinking it’s a permanent, one-time solution to disrespectful treatment?
[/quote]
How often do I see that working?
Every single time.
As I said, I dont do that that often.
If I do it, they fucking deserve it and they know it. [/quote]
Could you give some detail as to the nature of the relationships, orion? Dates, FWBs, girlfriends? The question is curious rather than combative. I have a hard time imagining that happening to me. That may be due to my relatively mild temperament, but I really think it probably has more to do with my tendency not to date casually, which makes for high investment on both our parts (i.e. men might hesitate to escalate things to that degree).[/quote]
The girl I thought about this tried to manipulate me with her sexual wiles, which is the one thing I am really allergic too.
Especially if she only has sexual wiles because I taught her.
Anyhow, she makes her move, I am getting pissed, get dressed, tell her to get dressed, Imma gonna drive her home.
In the car I am seething, because this whole “I will probably not get a ring through your nose but through your dick because I have the vagina to end all vaginas”, really, really, REALLY…anyhow, she tried to paddle back and made mistake number two, which was the exact same as number one, she offered to blow me in the car.
Which is when I was repulsed by her, by what she thought me to be and by life in general.
This girl stalked me for months.
She called me repeatedly, I blocked her number.
She called me without her number showing, to this day, if I cannot see your number your call gets rejected automatically.
She called from different cell phones, she tried sex, she tried damseling, she tried everything.
ItÃ??Ã?´s not that I necessarily believe that women are only “good for one thing”…well, “two if they can cook”, but some women do not only believe that to be true of themselves, they also think their vajayjay is made of gold.
I blame the spineless, sycophant adolatores orbiting these women for their delusions.
If you even want a chance of a relationship, you better pull that tooth quickly. [/quote]
Hindsight is easy, but her later behavior says volumes about the “quality” of this woman.
[/quote]
On a slightly related note, I had a Facebook friend request from my old buddy Tim as recently as last month. These reach-outs continue to come regularly and each time they do I briefly consider blasting him for his narcissism and general lack of decency and humanity, but then the urge passes and I ignore, which is what I’ve been doing for the better part of two years now.
It really goes to show, if the cheating and lying and picking fights and brutalizing his father weren’t enough, how completely self-centered he is, and looking back I can see that he never once did anything nice for me that wasn’t based in self-interest.
Hockey is so different. Last week I mentioned to Hockey on the phone that I’d had a good time the night before. We’d watched a movie in bed early and then fooled around, no big deal, but it was just such a nice, sweet evening and the following morning before work was just as nice. So anyway, he’d left town for work and I mentioned having a good time when we talked before bed. He said something light/flip like “really? what did you do?” and I said something along the lines of that I was hangin’ with my homeboy. Anyway, next morning I woke to an email that took my breath away with its sweetness. It started with “you said something earlier and I didn’t answer correctly” and went on to talk about how peaceful and satisfied he’d felt going to sleep that night, among other things.
I read it before work and didn’t have time to respond - and maybe needed time to digest. When I had a minute at work I logged onto my home email to respond to it and found an email from my ex-husband, telling me that he’s got his resume out because of the “warped mentality” of the people he’s working for and blahblahblah same old stomach-twisting story. This is his 4th job in as many years, and each time he jumps he loses credibility and earning power as far as I can tell.
Anyway - my feeling is that I am very blessed. Hockey and I were working on the house this weekend and I both hit it with the bucket of the tractor (tore a strip of molding off) and gouged it with a driveway packer. Both were met with cheerful reassurances that it was no big deal.
I think I did a good job picking! My feeling: happy and a little smug. : )
I am sure your tractor is awesome and yes, I am still jealous.
Enough with the bragging.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Hindsight is easy, but her later behavior says volumes about the “quality” of this woman.
[/quote]
Well, the point I was trying to make was that she basically thought I was a simp, easily controlled.
The moment I laid down the law I suddenly was so much more interesting, I am pretty sure that I could have done anything with her that I wanted… the more degrading the more she would have respected me…
[quote]orion wrote:
I am sure your tractor is awesome and yes, I am still jealous.
Enough with the bragging. [/quote]
View from my seat.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Hindsight is easy, but her later behavior says volumes about the “quality” of this woman.
[/quote]
Well, the point I was trying to make was that she basically thought I was a simp, easily controlled.
The moment I laid down the law I suddenly was so much more interesting, I am pretty sure that I could have done anything with her that I wanted… the more degrading the more she would have respected me…[/quote]
I think the point others are trying to make is that this approach is only effective when dealing with crazy stalker bitches with self esteem issues who crave drama, abuse and degradation. If you choose to date people like that, then perhaps your approach is effective.
If you choose to avoid women like that like the plague that they are, I think you would find such an approach to be markedly less effective.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
View from my seat.[/quote]
Lovely.