Emily's Playground aka Let's Process our Feelings III

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Oh wait, I see what you’re saying now. I think he knows how much I desire him. And I do initiate sometimes, just not usually. I’m pretty sure he feels very wanted in every way. Because I’m like a golden retriever of joyous affection physically, and I’m very verbal additionally, so if I’m thinking “damn is he sexy when he’s on a ladder nailing up siding,” I’m almost certainly saying it, too.[/quote]

Grab his ass damnit !!!

Men are not subtle creatures, grab it, squeeze it, fondle it, if necessary, bite it.

JA !!!

If, IF, it all goes wrong, he will forgive you.

Garantueed.[/quote]

I do grab his ass, for god’s sake. Just not at family gatherings or parties hosted by the head of social work at our local hospital and her super-smart lobbyist girlfriend.

I touch his ass often and enthusiastically, but in private. [/quote]

But then you are still in control!

The idea is that you are not![/quote]

Huh? [/quote]
The idea is that you are overwhelmed by his virile masculinity and that you cannot help it!!!

You are carried away, no longer in control, carried away,ya dig?[/quote]

I’m already overwhelmed by his virile masculinity - I don’t need to set up pretend scenes to lead him to feel admired for his manliness. He IS admired for his manliness. As far as my control, haven’t I just admitted to a completely cringe-worthy lack of control where he is concerned? Do we imagine that he is unaware that I am spazzing out when that happens?

We’re living a deeper, less staged romance than I think you’re able to imagine.

I don’t think I have a delay.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I don’t think I have a delay.[/quote]

You do.

It apparently is mod specific, if you pay attention you can tell who has his eyes on you.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I don’t think I have a delay.[/quote]

You do.[/quote]

You two sure have a unique kind of relationship.[/quote]

It’s true. Even I can’t seem to understand it.

Ugh. Today’s been rough.

I’m struggling with how to properly communicate “no, that wasn’t appropriate behavior” in a way that actually is received that way. In every way I’ve attempted, it gets argued and turned around; the net result indicating that the message wasn’t received.

Everything from “you don’t care about me the way I want so why should I care about you the way you want”, “you don’t respect me so why should I respect you”, to “ok, so what, you’ll be fine, what more needs to be talked about”, to straight up arguing that she was listening to me, despite the fact that objectively she couldn’t recall what I said, to just straight up pulling in outside arguments in to “prove” that her behavior wasn’t inappropriate.

I don’t know a diplomatic way to get things across that “you know what, you did something wrong”, when there’s no sign of self-awareness of how inappropriate her behavior was, and her defensive strategy is to reverse the situation into either “I did nothing wrong, you were the one who…” and/or “ok, but this other time, you…”.

Something like “how about you act more mature about this”, or “maybe you should act like an adult”, or the reverse “stop being so childish”, is just going to degrade things. But how do you request (or for that matter, teach) someone to behave more maturely? A part of it seems she was just never taught some of these things.

I did say “your behavior right now is undermining the stability of our relationship”.

It seems like just about anything else I could say or do is either going to keep her at this primitive childish level of arguing, or it’s going to build resentment and fodder for future arguments.

I really don’t think I should have to be dealing with this, but given that I am, I don’t know what actions I can take to improve things in the future.

Today I had a project cancelled, and the net result is a pretty major change to my job responsibilities. I go from being highly competent in something very familiar, to being highly incompetent in something unfamiliar. While my boss/coworkers have faith in things, it’s still going to be very uncomfortable for quite awhile. From a resume standpoint, it looks like “oh, hey, you have nearly 20 years of experience in this technology… why did you completely abandon it?”

The behavior I’d expect from my girlfriend is something along the lines of interest and concern “how is this going to affect things? will you still be working with the same people?” and so on, showing some degree of understanding, empathy, and really just wanting to understand the impact of it.

The reaction I actually got was her reading a book (not even a hello), then, while I ate lunch, her playing on her computer. Then, her wanting to go look at cabinetry and get donuts. So I cut the workday short so we could go do that. When we were in the car, I started telling her about what happened, while she was playing on her phone. I asked her why she wasn’t listening, and she argued that she was listening. I told her this is actually pretty important, and I wanted her to at least pay attention while I’m telling her about it. She claimed she was listening to everything I said. I asked what I said. She remembered a couple things, but not the important things. I told her that. She argued that point in at least 3 different ways (1. I can pay attention to you while I’m on my phone, 2. I probably wouldn’t have remembered anything even if I wasn’t on the phone, 3. what does it matter anyway? you didn’t lose your job, so what)

And it just went downhill from there. There wasn’t even a “that sucks”.

I just don’t even know how to get through to her when she starts acting like a spoiled teenage girl. 99% of the time she’s not like that, but the last couple times some really significant stuff happened in my life, she was.

I was thinking along the lines of the last part of Chushin’s post as I read your post. Learn your “I” statements, which move things from what she should be doing to information about yourself.

It was inappropriate of you to ignore me when I came in today, especially since I’d had some bad news.
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I felt really forlorn today when I had bad news to share and noticed that you didn’t even seem to notice that I’d come in. I want to be able to feel like someone is happy when I come in and I want to know that someone has my back.

Information about what’s in your heart (the feelings) may have more power than what’s in your head, particularly given that what’s in your head is judgment about her inadequacy in these areas, though to be fair you sound completely justified in being frustrated. Her behavior is rude and disrespectful; I doubt she’d treat a friend that way. I’m not sure why so many people treat their partners in ways they wouldn’t dream of treating a stranger, but they do.

I’m sorry that you’re dealing with this lack of supportiveness on top of the stuff at work.

Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked.

[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]

Hahaha.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]

Hahaha. [/quote]

Men actually do get a crisis if this works…

Which it will…

Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…

O_O…

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]

Hahaha. [/quote]

Men actually do get a crisis if this works…

Which it will…

Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…

O_O…[/quote]

Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]

As ever, James Bond has the answer for that.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]

Hahaha. [/quote]

Men actually do get a crisis if this works…

Which it will…

Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…

O_O…[/quote]

Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]

Actually,yes I was assuming that.

It never accured to me that they would not leave.

Well, I would throw her out then.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]

Hahaha. [/quote]

Men actually do get a crisis if this works…

Which it will…

Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…

O_O…[/quote]

Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]

Actually,yes I was assuming that.

It never accured to me that they would not leave.

Well, I would throw her out then.

[/quote]

Such attempts could be considered abuse.

Trust me on that.
[/quote]

This. Where I live if you were to forcibly remove your SO from a vehicle or dwelling you would very likely find yourself on the wrong end of a domestic assault charge.

Also, virtually any woman I have seriously dated/lived with would almost certainly tell me to go f#@k myself if I told her to get out of the house. I would then have no real option but to a.) back down, or b.) physically remove her (see above paragraph). This strikes me as a lose/lose proposal.

There is nothing alpha about couch surfing at your buddy’s place because your court conditions won’t allow you to return to your home pending your trial date except on one occasion to collect your belongings with police present to preserve the peace.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Next time that happens you stop the car, tell her to get out, get donuts, drive home.

She will get home, make a scene, you will not back down and tell her that this kind of behavior is unnaceptable and has consequences.

She will want to have sex that evening or the next day, take her like a wild animal.

Stage II: Existential crisis that this actually worked. [/quote]

Hahaha. [/quote]

Men actually do get a crisis if this works…

Which it will…

Throw her out of your car or appartment when she misbehaves, it always, always, works wonders…

O_O…[/quote]

Assuming she will go of her own free volition. [/quote]

Actually,yes I was assuming that.

It never accured to me that they would not leave.

Well, I would throw her out then.

[/quote]

Such attempts could be considered abuse.

Trust me on that.
[/quote]

Well, it is not like I do this bi-weekly.

They always got out, what can I say.

Must read up on Austrian laws.

I feel kind of funny inside.