Elitists Plan to 'Remove' Ron Paul?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Lots of stories. Was Reagan part of the elite or did the elite try to kill him?
[/quote]

Small world.

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting
The Associated Press
March 31, 1981
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president’s sons.
http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
You know that impression of Ron Paul being the candidate for Kooky voters? This doesn’t exactly help…

What is the point of posting this? It’s a “future fact” that can’t be shown as correct or incorrect presently. You’d have to have a time machine to validate or invalidate this story. And if Ron didn’t win, you’d have to have some ability to not only travel through time, but also enter into a dimension where Ron won. This is useless garbage and counter-productive to the campaign.

The kook factor does rub off onto the man’s image, you know? One of the reasons I refrained from looking closer at his campaign earlier on, was because I thought the kook factor supporting him was reflective of the man’s own beliefs and stances.

If you really support the guy, knock it off and deal with more tangible issues.
[/quote]

The impression of Ron Paul being the “candidate for kooky voters” is being framed by the exact people who are worried about his growing popularity. “Kooky” is just another all too apparent talking point.

And by “tangible issues” you don’t mean like the integrity of the voting process… after all, that was just another kooky conspiracy theory.

Ohio Elections Official Calls Machines Flawed
CINCINNATI – All five voting systems used in Ohio, a state whose electoral votes narrowly swung two elections toward President Bush, have critical flaws that could undermine the integrity of the 2008 general election, a report commissioned by the state’s top elections official has found.

“It was worse than I anticipated,” the official, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, said of the report. “I had hoped that perhaps one system would test superior to the others.”

At polling stations, teams working on the study were able to pick locks to access memory cards and use hand-held devices to plug false vote counts into machines. At boards of election, they were able to introduce malignant software into servers…

She ordered the study as part of a pledge to overhaul voting after problems made headlines for hours-long lines in the 2000 and 2004 elections and a scandal in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, that led to the convictions of two elections workers on charges of rigging recounts. Ms. Brunner’s office temporarily seized control of that county’s board of elections.

The study released Friday found that voting machines and central servers made by Elections Systems and Software; Premier Election Solutions, formerly Diebold; and Hart InterCivic; were easily corrupted…

Colorado’s Republican Sec. of State Decertifies E-Voting Machines After Failed Testing
While virtually all of the systems tested were found to have major vulnerabilities, a number of them were “conditionally certified” for use as long as new security mitigation requirements are met. Notably, both op-scan systems and DREs made by Diebold (now known as Premier) were given conditional certification for use, despite Diebold systems having been banned in several states previously, including California, Ohio and Florida, due to a long list of critical vulnerabilities…

Most of the systems decertified today were originally brought into the state by Colorado’s former Republican Sec. of State Donetta Davidson, who left the post when appointed by George W. Bush to the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission (EAC). She now chairs the EAC, the Executive Branch agency responsible for overseeing federal voting system certification for the entire country.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5451

Diebold Voting Machines Vulnerable to Virus Attack
An analysis of Diebold’s source code shows that a hacker with access to a single voting machine could use a virus to affect an election.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135461-c,onlinesecurity/article.html

But the 2004 election was cool.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Sloth wrote:
You know that impression of Ron Paul being the candidate for Kooky voters? This doesn’t exactly help…

What is the point of posting this? It’s a “future fact” that can’t be shown as correct or incorrect presently. You’d have to have a time machine to validate or invalidate this story. And if Ron didn’t win, you’d have to have some ability to not only travel through time, but also enter into a dimension where Ron won. This is useless garbage and counter-productive to the campaign.

The kook factor does rub off onto the man’s image, you know? One of the reasons I refrained from looking closer at his campaign earlier on, was because I thought the kook factor supporting him was reflective of the man’s own beliefs and stances.

If you really support the guy, knock it off and deal with more tangible issues.

The impression of Ron Paul being the “candidate for kooky voters” is being framed by the exact people who are worried about his growing popularity. “Kooky” is just another all too apparent talking point.

If you really support the guy, knock it off and deal with more tangible issues.

And by “tangible issues” you don’t mean like the integrity of the voting process… after all, that was just another kooky conspiracy theory.

Ohio Elections Official Calls Machines Flawed
CINCINNATI – All five voting systems used in Ohio, a state whose electoral votes narrowly swung two elections toward President Bush, have critical flaws that could undermine the integrity of the 2008 general election, a report commissioned by the state’s top elections official has found.

“It was worse than I anticipated,” the official, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, said of the report. “I had hoped that perhaps one system would test superior to the others.”

At polling stations, teams working on the study were able to pick locks to access memory cards and use hand-held devices to plug false vote counts into machines. At boards of election, they were able to introduce malignant software into servers…

She ordered the study as part of a pledge to overhaul voting after problems made headlines for hours-long lines in the 2000 and 2004 elections and a scandal in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, that led to the convictions of two elections workers on charges of rigging recounts. Ms. Brunner’s office temporarily seized control of that county’s board of elections.

The study released Friday found that voting machines and central servers made by Elections Systems and Software; Premier Election Solutions, formerly Diebold; and Hart InterCivic; were easily corrupted…

Colorado’s Republican Sec. of State Decertifies E-Voting Machines After Failed Testing
While virtually all of the systems tested were found to have major vulnerabilities, a number of them were “conditionally certified” for use as long as new security mitigation requirements are met. Notably, both op-scan systems and DREs made by Diebold (now known as Premier) were given conditional certification for use, despite Diebold systems having been banned in several states previously, including California, Ohio and Florida, due to a long list of critical vulnerabilities…

Most of the systems decertified today were originally brought into the state by Colorado’s former Republican Sec. of State Donetta Davidson, who left the post when appointed by George W. Bush to the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission (EAC). She now chairs the EAC, the Executive Branch agency responsible for overseeing federal voting system certification for the entire country.

Diebold Voting Machines Vulnerable to Virus Attack
An analysis of Diebold’s source code shows that a hacker with access to a single voting machine could use a virus to affect an election.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135461-c,onlinesecurity/article.html

But the 2004 election was cool.[/quote]

Then I suppose you will not vote for Ron Paul, or anyone else for that matter, because the winner has been predetermined.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Then I suppose you will not vote for Ron Paul, or anyone else for that matter, because the winner has been predetermined. [/quote]

Ron Paul is the only person I will vote for. If he doesn’t get the nomination then I won’t be voting at all.

Its obvious to any Paul supporter the game is already being rigged, but if he actually makes the ballot it will at least restore some of my confidence in the system.

As of right now, electronic voting is 100% vulnerable to manipulation (in 2004 it was even worse) and the possible stolen election of 2004 can no longer be considered merely a conspiracy theory.

A Single Person Could Swing an Election

Precinct level Ohio exit poll data show virtually irrefutable evidence of vote miscount
http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/OH/Ohio-Exit-Polls-2004.pdf

Two-thirds of Ohio counties have destroyed or lost their 2004 presidential ballots and related election records, according to letters from county election officials to the Ohio Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Lots of stories. Was Reagan part of the elite or did the elite try to kill him?

Small world.

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting
The Associated Press
March 31, 1981
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president’s sons.
http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html[/quote]

Everyone has been involved with the Bush family. I have been to an event with the president himself. Am I in on it?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Am I in on it?[/quote]

Yes, you are, but you don’t know that - and that is exactly what they want you to think.

Or is it?

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
http://prisonplanet.com/audio/141207estulin.mp3

By Paul Joseph Watson
December 15, 2007

Best-selling author and Bilderberg sleuth Daniel Estulin says he has received information from sources inside the U.S. intelligence community which suggests that people from the highest levels of the U.S. government are considering an assassination attempt against Congressman Ron Paul because they are threatened by his burgeoning popularity.

Estulin, whose information has unfortunately proven very accurate in the past, went public with the bombshell news during an appearance on The Alex Jones Show today.

“I am getting information from my sources that there are people involved from a higher level of the American establishment who are seriously considering - this has not been confirmed - but assassination is definitely on the agenda and I pray to God that this is not the case,” said Estulin.

Estulin, an award winning investigative journalist, said that he was given the information from a source that has been reliable for over a decade in providing accurate projections of future events based on what the elite were discussing in their own circles and that assassination was a serious option should the Ron Paul Revolution continue to pick up steam.

Estulin, author of the global bestseller The True Story of the Bilderberg Group described the concept as a “trial balloon from the inner core within the inner core - it hasn’t gone beyond that but it is obviously on the table because I think needless to say they are very much concerned,” he added.

Ron Paul himself has stated on a previous occasion that he is aware of the dangers of being such a bold icon for freedom and understands that political assassinations have occured in the past.

In a June appearance on The Alex Jones Show, Congressman Paul acknowledged that such a threat is “real,” agreeing with a number of historical examples where leaders were killed or attacked for successfully standing up to the system. “That’s right. They’ll do it,” Paul said, making reference with Alex Jones to upstarts like Andrew Jackson, “The Kingfish” Huey Long, Bobby Kennedy, George Washington and even George Wallace.

Estulin pointed out that his past predictions about global events were very accurate because of the solid information provided to him from within Bilderberg and the elite. Over 18 months ago Estulin correctly made the call that the Iran war had been delayed and was probably off the table, which is looking to be exactly the case after the release of the recent National Intelligence Estimate. Estulin in featured at length in Alex Jones’ film Endgame , in which he is also filmed making the prediction based on his sources.

Estulin said his sources were from within the intelligence community and they were telling him that “the people of the highest levels of government - not related in any way at least visually to George W. Bush - the first initial conversation of what might happen if we were to do this,” has taken place.

“The Ron Paul phenomenon has galvanized an entire nation,” said Estulin, adding that both the people who discovered the plot and its potential protagonists are terrified at the consequences of what such an action will be because of the difficulty in judging just how severely the general public will react.

Estulin said that the conspirators, which he described as a “small circle of intimates,” were discussing what the effect would be if Congressman Paul was “removed” - they are being very careful to use the word “remove” rather than more volatile terms, but Estulin was told directly that “remove” was a euphemism for assassinate.

Estulin said he may be able to be more specific on exactly who is discussing such an action in future, but warned that Ron Paul’s staff should be aware of the issue.

jlesk,

I get the feeling you are a troll.

You aren’t going to bait me into a lengthy response.

On the off chance that you are serious, I’ll let you in on a little secret: Adults with power have better things to do than worry about a guy who has no chance.

JeffR

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Just your opinion.

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Honestly, I feel a little bad for bumping this topic. It seems like the lines are pretty clearly defined w/r/t who supports Dr. Paul and who doesn’t, but I felt obliged to mention that he represents almost everything that I would want in a presidential candidate.

As far as I can tell, he’s the only person currently running who has a demonstrated record of seeking to reduce the influence of the Federal Gov’t in the lives of U.S. citizens, and he doesn’t support raising taxes.

I understand that by supporting him I set myself up to be grouped with some fringe elements who also support him, but I’m not afraid of those people, and I’m not afraid of sharing a candidate with them. What I am afraid of, is the people who insist that the current direction the country is headed is bad, but who also laugh at the one guy promising to attempt to change that direction.

As for the article linked in the first post, I think it’s a bunch of stupid fantasy bullshit. I don’t know much about the author, or Alex Jones, but I know his website is full of “real agenda” type conspiracy crap that I don’t care to read. I doubt that most Paul supporters buy into this stuff, but even if they did, I wouldn’t be scared away. If they’re supporting the right guy for the wrong reasons, who am I to correct them?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Everyone has been involved with the Bush family.[/quote]

Like the Kennedys… minus the phenomenal death rate. Oh, thats right, they’re ACTUALLY “cursed”.

“As we must account for every idle word, so we must for every idle silence”
–Benjamin Franklin

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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
As for the article linked in the first post, I think it’s a bunch of stupid fantasy bullshit. I don’t know much about the author, or Alex Jones, but I know his website is full of “real agenda” type conspiracy crap that I don’t care to read. I doubt that most Paul supporters buy into this stuff, but even if they did, I wouldn’t be scared away. If they’re supporting the right guy for the wrong reasons, who am I to correct them?[/quote]

If only more people would have listened to his “stupid fantasy bullshit” back in July 2001

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Lots of stories. Was Reagan part of the elite or did the elite try to kill him?

Small world.

Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting
The Associated Press
March 31, 1981
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president’s sons.

Hmm…I just can’t make up my mind…I think you might be the biggest fucking idiot on this site. But…there are other strong candidates. Oh well, Keep posting and I’ll decide later.
[/quote]

“Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought… Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity”

The Associated Press (famed conspiracy source) noted that “Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president’s sons”

The FACT remains that a Bush family friend almost kills the sitting President possibly putting Bush Sr. in his place – and the shooter’s brother is planning to have dinner with Bush’s own son THAT VERY NIGHT.

Forget any conspiracy, not only are you (and others) not even phased by this amazing coincidence, your PISSED at merely knowing about it… “protective stupidity”.

John Hinckley found not guilty of 1981 attempted assassination of President Reagan by reason of insanity

I’ll take your title of “biggest fucking idiot on this site” as a compliment.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

If only more people would have listened to his “stupid fantasy bullshit” back in July 2001
- YouTube [/quote]

I am very familiar with this type of prediction. Make a broad sweeping statement, then keep your eyes open for anything that will fit. If nothing fits, nobody will remember, or if they do, because he said it, it didn’t happen, or was delayed.

There was a book years ago that predicted a great depression in the 1990’s, and it hit the best sellers list. But few remembered that this guy also wrote about a great depression in the 1980’s. Both times were wrong. The closest he got was his book predicting a great depression in the 1970’s.

If this guy were to keep going, eventually he would be right. And suddenly he’s a genius.

Even Art Bell has said he does not believe America attacked itself. How nutty does a conspiracy theory have to be to have Art Bell not believe it?

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Convicted Jewish Terrorist says Ron Paul supporters should be put to death

This guy…
Prison for Ex-J.D.L. Chief in Bombing

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:

If only more people would have listened to his “stupid fantasy bullshit” back in July 2001

I am very familiar with this type of prediction. Make a broad sweeping statement, then keep your eyes open for anything that will fit. If nothing fits, nobody will remember, or if they do, because he said it, it didn’t happen, or was delayed.

There was a book years ago that predicted a great depression in the 1990’s, and it hit the best sellers list. But few remembered that this guy also wrote about a great depression in the 1980’s. Both times were wrong. The closest he got was his book predicting a great depression in the 1970’s.

If this guy were to keep going, eventually he would be right. And suddenly he’s a genius.

Even Art Bell has said he does not believe America attacked itself. How nutty does a conspiracy theory have to be to have Art Bell not believe it?[/quote]

Bush actually had a memo, he didn’t warn ANYBODY.

Art Bell is a tool who believes in UFO’s but assures you there are no government conspiracies.

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Glenn Beck Show Scrolls Paul Is Dead Message During Ron Paul Interview
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/191207Message.htm

Estulin: Neo-Cons Behind Potential Hit On Ron Paul
“What I said about Ron Paul last week came from two different people who don’t know each other,” said Estulin, adding that his source had in turn got the information from sources within the Neo-Con camp and that it was individuals from within the Neo-Con camp that are considering what would happen if Ron Paul was assassinated.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/122107_potential_hit.htm

Going Too Far: Israel Plans Killings on US Soil
Just as disturbing, UPI was unable to get a single American official to condemn the policy change. The FBI told Mr. Sale that “This is a policy matter; we only enforce federal laws.” So what exactly does that mean? Is the FBI not interested in foreign powers committing acts of murder in the United States? Isn’t that what the new FBI is all about?
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/miles1.html

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Glenn Beck Show Scrolls Paul Is Dead Message During Ron Paul Interview
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/191207Message.htm
[/quote]

Seriously JTF, do you think anyone takes prisonplanet seriously? I watched the spot and am voting for Paul and think that you guys are being silly. In doing this you discredit Paul much more than you might help him.

mike

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[quote]
JustTheFacts wrote:
Glenn Beck Show Scrolls Paul Is Dead Message During Ron Paul Interview
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/191207Message.htm

Mikeyali wrote:

Seriously JTF, do you think anyone takes prisonplanet seriously? I watched the spot and am voting for Paul and think that you guys are being silly. In doing this you discredit Paul much more than you might help him.

mike[/quote]

Mike,

I suppose there are still a few people who take JTF seriously, but at this point you’d need to conclude that either they’re either too new to know better or they’re beyond help.

The fact that he occasionally has a point shouldn’t lend any weight to his general rantings; a random soil sample may have a few flecks of gold in it but the rest is almost always dirt.

As for Paul, people like JTF have sealed his fate - to the extent he may have been electable, he’s pretty well ceased to be a possibility with an association with extremists and conspiracy theorists.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

Bush actually had a memo, he didn’t warn ANYBODY.[/quote]

Bush had a memo. Well that proves everything doesn’t it? He had a memo. Ignoring what the memo said, and the fact that it was one page in his daily briefing, which is the size of a freaken phone book. Yeah, read one of those each day.[quote]

Art Bell is a tool who believes in UFO’s but assures you there are no government conspiracies.[/quote]

Who the hell said Art Bell does not believe in government conspiracies?

I am only saying that even he is not as nutty as you. (Oh and if you really want to see a tool, look in the mirror. You are brainwashed beyond belief.)