[quote]oboffill wrote:
Nice work vroom, keep it up.
I love how several conservatives talk of the United States of America as if it were not part a GLOBAL SOCIETY.
It’s time for us humanists (read: democrats) to secede from the Confederacy so we can move forward in this world…psyche! This land is our land, you lost in 1865 and you’ll lose in 2008.[/quote]
Wait, are you talking about the civil war? If so, you need to learn history. Lincoln was the first Republican elected to a presidential office. It was the Democrats who lost the civil war.
It is sad when people misquote history to prove their side. It only proves they are wrong.
[quote]John K wrote:
I can name a world leader who definitely possesses WMD. He is also despited and considered a threat by approximately 80% of the population of the entire planet.
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Let me guess, is there a “W” in his name somewhere?
[quote]ILOVEGWBUSH5 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Psst, Derek, don’t tell Zeb, he won’t believe it, but I think America is a great place too.
Absolutely. A lot of foreigners would love to live in America… this does not mean they can’t despise their foreign policy.
The problem in America is that people think there’s liberals and conservatives (and independents, but who cares about them), and that the media is either liberal or conservative or somewhere inbetween.
Well, let me tell you that’s wrong. There’s a whole global scale of beliefs out there, and American liberalism or conservativism (sp) maybe only covers 5% of that scale.
Put your hands 2 inches apart; your left hand is liberal, your right is conservative, and there’s a couple of inches of space in between. That’s America. But if you go to this place called World, you have to put your hands a bit further apart… try 40 inches. That’s world beliefs right there. Realize that what you see in your country is only a teeny tiny bit, and certainly nothing compared to the rest of the world.
PS: Sorry for the weird analysis, but I hope it helps you understand what I mean.[/quote]
Lol, my professor gave me that exact same example my first year of college in history class. He actually admitted to being a marxist the idiot. Ok, so we have marxism on the extreme left and facism on the extreme right, but what worries many is the fact that the DemocRATS (A.K.A VicticRATS) are moving farther to the left, spreading that gap. And while compared to the system of the beliefs of the rest of the world we are fairly in the center, there is still a heckuva lot to disagree about.
I cannot disagree with this post. I would only add that it is always wise to “critique” using some diplomacy. That goes for foreign world leaders, and foreign citizens such as yourself.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Nice work vroom, keep it up.
I love how several conservatives talk of the United States of America as if it were not part a GLOBAL SOCIETY.
It’s time for us humanists (read: democrats) to secede from the Confederacy so we can move forward in this world…psyche! This land is our land, you lost in 1865 and you’ll lose in 2008.
I’m pretty sure that war was against the north and the south, not the republicans and democrats. Anyways I think freeing the slaves would be viewed as a pretty liberal stance in those times.
Wait, are you talking about the civil war? If so, you need to learn history. Lincoln was the first Republican elected to a presidential office. It was the Democrats who lost the civil war.
It is sad when people misquote history to prove their side. It only proves they are wrong. [/quote]
I have a couple of weekend projects do do this weekend. One is a big, new swingset for my two year old. The other is setting traps for the coyotes that hang around the woods that make up the vast majority of my property. They’ve been in the news lately… you know killing pets and chasing kids. My only problem is that when I went and asked permission to put up the swingset and to protect my family from the coyotes, a few neighbors expressed reluctance. Some were jealous of the cool swingset. Others thought that the coyotes need to eat too (even if it’s my child or pets they want to eat) so I should let them in my yard to feed on my family. Oh well, I guess I wont build the swingset for my kid and maybe I’ll invite the coyotes over for dinner. I surely wouldn’t want to upset the neighbors! After all, what they think means soooooo much to me.
[quote]derek wrote:
I have a couple of weekend projects do do this weekend. One is a big, new swingset for my two year old. The other is setting traps for the coyotes that hang around the woods that make up the vast majority of my property. They’ve been in the news lately… you know killing pets and chasing kids. My only problem is that when I went and asked permission to put up the swingset and to protect my family from the coyotes, a few neighbors expressed reluctance. Some were jealous of the cool swingset. Others thought that the coyotes need to eat too (even if it’s my child or pets they want to eat) so I should let them in my yard to feed on my family. Oh well, I guess I wont build the swingset for my kid and maybe I’ll invite the coyotes over for dinner. I surely wouldn’t want to upset the neighbors! After all, what they think means soooooo much to me.[/quote]
That’s more like it, derek! You better have the good china out for the coyotes, because if you don’t, we’re all gonna think that you have no class.
Thank you very much Lothario. I know YOU get my humor!
On a more serious note:
Our favorite quote of the day comes from a Democrat, Rep. Tom Lantos of California, who is seething as Congress probes the French-U.N.-Saddam oil-for-food scandal:
“We all knew that Saddam was doing everything in his power to evade sanctions. But it is truly infuriating to discover the depth of the contempt and greed displayed by the governments of nations such as France, Russia and Syria who evidently jumped at the chance to participate in Saddam’s crimes against the international community.”
This is why the French gov’t SUCKS! (along with the others). Imagine getting lumped together with Syria by a CA. Democrat?!
[quote]The Mage wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Nice work vroom, keep it up.
I love how several conservatives talk of the United States of America as if it were not part a GLOBAL SOCIETY.
It’s time for us humanists (read: democrats) to secede from the Confederacy so we can move forward in this world…psyche! This land is our land, you lost in 1865 and you’ll lose in 2008.
Wait, are you talking about the civil war? If so, you need to learn history. Lincoln was the first Republican elected to a presidential office. It was the Democrats who lost the civil war.
It is sad when people misquote history to prove their side. It only proves they are wrong. [/quote]
Apparently, you lack wit. If you read my comment, I’m actually alluding to issues much deeper than the shallow political party affiliations. In fact, since you still might not understand, I’m talking about the “moral values.” GET IT!?!?!?!
Moreover, Republicans and Democrats of the past are NOT the same as said political parties of the present.
[quote]derek wrote:
I have a couple of weekend projects do do this weekend. One is a big, new swingset for my two year old. The other is setting traps for the coyotes that hang around the woods that make up the vast majority of my property. They’ve been in the news lately… you know killing pets and chasing kids. My only problem is that when I went and asked permission to put up the swingset and to protect my family from the coyotes, a few neighbors expressed reluctance. Some were jealous of the cool swingset. Others thought that the coyotes need to eat too (even if it’s my child or pets they want to eat) so I should let them in my yard to feed on my family. Oh well, I guess I wont build the swingset for my kid and maybe I’ll invite the coyotes over for dinner. I surely wouldn’t want to upset the neighbors! After all, what they think means soooooo much to me.[/quote]
LOL! Not an accurate analogy, but its still funny.
the only thing i would add to this discussion is that judging by your picture(vroom) and that this is a Bodybuilding/strength training website, that you might want to go stand next to some weights, lift them, and put them down, and repeat a few more times every now and then. just my sack o s$%@ opinion though.
Apparently, you lack wit. If you read my comment, I’m actually alluding to issues much deeper than the shallow political party affiliations. In fact, since you still might not understand, I’m talking about the “moral values.” GET IT!?!?!?! [/quote]
Oh yeah, your comment about “us” losing in 1865 was about “moral values” wasn’t it. Now I understand. What exactly were you really implying anyway? I have my ideas.
[quote]Moreover, Republicans and Democrats of the past are NOT the same as said political parties of the present.
LEARN.[/quote]
Ah yeah, they are not the same as the present, but that does not mean they reversed either. They are different, meaning your attempt to bring 1865 into the argument was completely wrong.
At least you only went 140 years into the past to make your argument. I have had people go back as far as 2000 years.
I’ve got news for you: You were beaten soundly. All your whining and cozying up to the (certain directors) of the world couldn’t cover up the fact that you are vastly overpromoted.
If it isn’t John Kerry, then it must be another bitter foreigner. Hey, you tried to point out every potential fault of the United States. Hell, you even made some up.
Notwithstanding some of the poor Democrats around here, we will conduct our own elections.
point well taken vroom,
that did sound somewhat confrontational, but i am a little more than tired of all of the political rhetoric that seems to “polute” as you say, the strength and conditioning boards i visit. i subscribe to various newsgroups, and post on more suitable boards (for the most part, i will admit i have been sucked into political debates on this board as well as others like it from time to time).
you seem fairly well read, i would think you would find a different “forum” more “challenging” to your vast intellect than debating a lot of teenagers on a BBing website. perhaps that is your intention though.
Apparently, you lack wit. If you read my comment, I’m actually alluding to issues much deeper than the shallow political party affiliations. In fact, since you still might not understand, I’m talking about the “moral values.” GET IT!?!?!?!
Oh yeah, your comment about “us” losing in 1865 was about “moral values” wasn’t it. Now I understand. What exactly were you really implying anyway? I have my ideas.
Moreover, Republicans and Democrats of the past are NOT the same as said political parties of the present.
LEARN.
Ah yeah, they are not the same as the present, but that does not mean they reversed either. They are different, meaning your attempt to bring 1865 into the argument was completely wrong.
At least you only went 140 years into the past to make your argument. I have had people go back as far as 2000 years.[/quote]
What the hell is wrong with going back 2000 years?? How long has there been a struggle for power among humans? Has human nature really changed over time? Do we not have wars, kill, rape, steal in 2004?
When I used 1865, it was mainly to show the division in America. But, now I notice that 1865 is a very interesting comparison to the current time. I dont know if others have already made the case, but I do not want to hijack this thread any further.
What the hell is wrong with going back 2000 years?? How long has there been a struggle for power among humans? Has human nature really changed over time? Do we not have wars, kill, rape, steal in 2004?
When I used 1865, it was mainly to show the division in America. But, now I notice that 1865 is a very interesting comparison to the current time. I dont know if others have already made the case, but I do not want to hijack this thread any further.[/quote]
Ok, make the comparison, but I can still disagree with what side you loftily consider yourself to be.