So looks like my ALT is mildly elevated according to a recent blood test. (140) U/L.
The norm is 36-65 I believe. In 2007 I had a level of 36 U/L.
Anything under 5x the norm is considered mild elevation. Causes range from chirrosis, Hepatitis B/C, strenuous lifting, and other agents can cause also. Acetominophen and a host of others.
At least it’s not up to 5x or more the norm. Not much consolation, but something anyway.
Liver = very important organ.
I’ll be updating as soon as I can on this.
Have any of you guys ever had levels of your ALT at this range, and if so have they gone back down with successive testing to your knowledge? I know I worked out pretty damn hard and steadily this past year, toss in a decent amount of time “on”, and here I am.
Any info would be greatly appreciated. I admit I’m in a bit of a mental funk at this time due to this.
Tonebone, relax man. As you said, taking tylenol or strenuous lifting could elevate your liver enzymes. I am willing to guess MOST EVERY PERSON ON HERE who has taken an oral steroid has had their ALT rise to that level. Of course, that is just a guess, and without the liver tests to verify it we will sadly never know…
Yours is barely twice the highest normal level… I am sure I could get there with some fast food, a couple days of tylenol and a weeks worth of heavy lifting/overtraining…
Yeah I gotta agree TBone this is a molehill which you dont wanna make into a mountain. Admittedly, you’d like to drop those a tad but dont over panic either.
I wish I could remember my own numbers from my last bloodtest. I dont recall them being triple digit like yours but they might have been in the 80’s. Really not sure.
Also from memory I didnt think you ran any orals this year.
Hey, at least you are getting your tests. Some guys don’t even do that. I knew a guy who was drinking while taking oral winstrol. This dumbass didn’t think it was a problem until his feces was near white. A jackass
[quote]saps wrote:
Yeah I gotta agree TBone this is a molehill which you dont wanna make into a mountain. Admittedly, you’d like to drop those a tad but dont over panic either.
I wish I could remember my own numbers from my last bloodtest. I dont recall them being triple digit like yours but they might have been in the 80’s. Really not sure.
Also from memory I didnt think you ran any orals this year.[/quote]
Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback. Yeah, a handful of vitamin D’s this past year, not much really. Also most of the compounds I ran were not overly toxic. A couple high runs of Primo, some lower dosed Te, and one thing though, did run me some Tren enan at about 800mg/week for a while there.
Of late not much has been going on though. Been off everything for about 2 mos. My injury flare up affected training to nil during this time, and so I was kind of trippin that it would still be elevated to that degree after 2 mos. of off time on training and “supps”. Last run before this downtime was only a scant month or so of Te/Mast/Deca. Fairly low ended dosage on that one too.
Anywho, the doc is calling me back in just a few minutes here, and I am going to ask for further enzyme testing to differentiate what is going on there. I kind of have thought that I could have gotten Hep B maybe from passing doobies over the years…Just a thought, lol, hopefully way off track.
[quote]idowhatican wrote:
Hey, at least you are getting your tests. Some guys don’t even do that. I knew a guy who was drinking while taking oral winstrol. This dumbass didn’t think it was a problem until his feces was near white. A jackass[/quote]
Ok, here we go…
Just got off the phone with my doc, he was actually very cool. I am going to go take further blood for more enzyme testing as I said, right now in fact. And that’s cool because now the online med site for my medical group is quite fast with results…Hell I might even get those by tonight or tomorrow, so we can trip on those next.
Later guys, not trippin yet… I have had some hard alcohol during the last month, a scant few times though, anyway we’ll see what’s up.
TB
Btw, for a bit more detail on this case of mine, during those last 2 mos., I let the diet go to shit too. Call it being plain lazy after eating quite well for a good long time.
This is interesting to me because I forgot to mention, my good cholesterol, hdl, went down a little, and my bad shit ldl, went up a little bit too, along with triglycerides up as well.
Overall though my cholesterol itself has gone down a bit.
Just some more info there…
Could be the diet affecting things, and maybe the alcohol usage during recent month, and poppin a few excedrins along the way in that time period too. Since acetominphen contributes also to elevation of ALT.
So that’s it for now, off to draw some more blood now guys. Be back later on.
Thank you T-Nation steroid forum for all the help I have and continue to recieve from valued members!
Got yesterdays blood labs back except for a couple.
Everything else is looking good, erythrocyte sediment is good, albumin good, bilirubin good, alkaline phosphatase good, ferritin good, prothrombin bleed time good, however, as I figured, AST is also elevated, though not as much as my ALT is.
Actually the damn ALT went up a few more points to now 153. Go figure…
Now the clincher and what has me worried now, is the waiting for the Hep B and C tests to come back. I have a weird feeling about these…Hope I’m wrong and that they are normal. Crossing fingers and toes and nuts on that one.
so final so far is;
ALT-153 Norm (36-65)
AST-68 (10-40) U/L
Maybe Santa will lighten up on this old dog and allow for normal Hep B/C results right guys?
These (alt & ast) do tend to fluctuate, so I wouldn’t sweat it at this point, even if they are in the high range. Probably something quite transient, and it’ll be back to normal before long.
Btw, did they test GGT as well? It’s a useful marker…
Why are you stressing on Hep B and C? Me personally, if I had hepatitis B, I would not be happy but I would be glad to not have Hep C. Again, why are you worried about the Hepatitis? Have you shared needles with an infected drug user, have you come into contact with feces, have you had un protected sex with someone who possibly had it?
Again, I would highly doubt you caught ANY form of Hepatitis from sharing doobies. You are just going mental about this shit, like I have about other things. Gyno, health issues, etc…
[quote]idowhatican wrote:
Why are you stressing on Hep B and C? Me personally, if I had hepatitis B, I would not be happy but I would be glad to not have Hep C. Again, why are you worried about the Hepatitis? Have you shared needles with an infected drug user, have you come into contact with feces, have you had un protected sex with someone who possibly had it?
Again, I would highly doubt you caught ANY form of Hepatitis from sharing doobies. You are just going mental about this shit, like I have about other things. Gyno, health issues, etc…[/quote]
Ok I hear you on this…Just wondering aloud without thinking enough I guess.
Never shared a needle, and the sexual transmission is highly doubtful. Feces, well…lol. No on that note also.
I don’t know, just trippin here is all. What can I say. For some reason I was thinking Hep could be transferred thru any type of fluid exchange eg; saliva as well as blood etc. So my bad on assuming that I suppose. I guess the other reason is that two of my siblings both have Hep C. Not that that has any bearing on me, but I guess I just started snowballing little things into a giant ball of anxiety here.
Still waiting on the tests at any rate. Taking my Liv52, loads of fish oil, and other good things again fwtw.
Hep B and C testing came back negative. I’m fine apparently.
I would like to retest the ALT levels and AST, perhaps in a week or two would be a good time.
I’m kind of surprised that the doc didn’t mention me retaking any of the enzyme tests? Even though all other tests were normal save those two, I still would think that would be of interest to him and myself in the long run of observing this high level no?
These liver enzymes are not specific to the liver at all. Yes, liver problems can cause them to increase. Muscle soreness, injury or bruising can cause high levels. The levels are also proportional to ones muscle mass which is why males have higher levels than females. A perfectly health well muscled male will have higher levels. Low rep max effort lifting will increase levels. My wife worked many muscle groups to painful levels and then did lab work, she had high “liver” enzymes.
[quote]KSman wrote:
These liver enzymes are not specific to the liver at all. Yes, liver problems can cause them to increase. Muscle soreness, injury or bruising can cause high levels. The levels are also proportional to ones muscle mass which is why males have higher levels than females. A perfectly health well muscled male will have higher levels. Low rep max effort lifting will increase levels. My wife worked many muscle groups to painful levels and then did lab work, she had high “liver” enzymes.[/quote]
Much respect KsMan for stopping by.
I hear what you’re saying, but at 3 times the norm in my case, (153), does that sound like extra muscle mass to you? Not to me, that seems too high to be from something harmless like that. I don’t know, I guess I’ll go in and recheck them soon, it’s been a few weeks almost I think now. Doc said it takes the liver a few months to recover, but I’ve been plugging along with my Liv 52 and doing all the right things. Wonder if that’s been enough time to drop back down?
[quote]KSman wrote:
You may need to adjust your training before the tests to take muscle issues off of the playing field.[/quote]
Well let me clarify a little, prior to the first testing here’s how things went down.
I had been on a relatively mild dosage of AAS, very mild, for just about a month. Had an injury issue that potentially could have been serious, and stopped working out for 2 mos. This happened just prior to the test levels showing up in a physical I had taken at that time. Thinking that I had been off for 2 mos and things should be good to go.
Now while that last little run was mild, all last year I had been on more than usual for me. And to be honest, had taken time off difft runs, but not enough. Some more than others but was too eager and had cut a few off times too short imho.
So that’s that. My doc has said wait 3 months to retest. I would think knowing what I know and he doesn’t, that maybe a little sooner.
What do you think about how soon they would be down based on this info?
[quote]KSman wrote:
You may need to adjust your training before the tests to take muscle issues off of the playing field.[/quote]
So main point of that last post by me, surely having taken 2 mos off and losing some degree of muscle mass, would negate that line of thinking a bit?
For it to be 3 x norm?
