Electoral War Gaming

Thoughts or comments re: this RWN article???

  Pre-Election 2004 Wargaming

Just for the fun of it, here are a few Nov. 2nd scenarios based on the latest Real Clear Politics polling data.

(*** Remember that based on the 2000 census data, we start with a electoral vote count of Bush (278) Vs. Kerry (260) if both candidates were to both take the same states that Bush and Gore did in 2000 ***)

Group 1: Bush 2000 states in play for Kerry

Florida: 27
Ohio: 20
New Hampshire: 4

Group 2: Gore 2000 states leaning Bush

Wisonsin: 10
Iowa: 7
New Mexico: 5
Hawaii: 4

Group 3: Gore 2000 states still in play, but leaning Kerry

Pennsylvania: 20
Michigan: 17
Minnesota: 10 (close)
Oregon: 7

Scenarios

– Bush takes Ohio & Florida: He wins
– Kerry takes Ohio: Bush is likely to win by carrying Wisconsin and Iowa from Group 2.
– Kerry takes Ohio & New Hampshire: Bush is likely to win by carrying Wisconsin and Iowa from Group 2.
– Kerry takes Florida: Bush still would probably win by taking Wisconsin, Iowa, & either Hawaii or New Mexico.
– Kerry takes Florida & New Hampshire: Bush has perhaps a bit less than 50 chance of winning because he’ll need all of Group 2 or most of Group 2 + a Group 3 State.
– Kerry takes Florida, Ohio, &/Or New Hampshire: Bush is highly likely to lose. To win, Bush would need either Pennsylvania or Michigan & probably Minnesota to go along with his Group 2 wins.

Summary: The election looks to be centered around Florida and Ohio right now. The latest Zogby Poll (and I think Zogby polling leans left) has Bush at +3 in Florida and +5 in Ohio. That’s bad news for Kerry. I also think Minnesota is close to being a Bush leaning state.

On the other hand, Arkansas may be coming into play for Kerry (although there hasn’t been a poll showing Kerry ahead in that state since August) and although Bush has had tiny leads in the last two Hawaii polls, it’s hard to count on a state that leans to the left that heavily going for Bush. Furthermore, Kerry seems to be pulling away in Michigan.

So with a week to go until election day, Bush is in significantly better position than Kerry, but Kerry is still within striking distance…

If you want to play around with scenarios, check out this on the L.A. Times’ site:

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Edit:

The link above takes you to background polling data. This link will take you to a page where you can click on an icon and get the interactive map:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/

Good post hedo!

There are various combinations that can work for the either man. You are correct in stating that right now President Bush is only a bit ahead. That could all change rather quickly.

This ought to make your head hurt:

For Math Whizzes,
The Election Means
A Quadrillion Options
Close Race Has Programmers
Predicting the Outcome;
‘I’m Just Some Geek’

By CHARLES FORELLE
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
October 26, 2004

To prepare for next week’s election, Lawrence N. Allen taught himself the Matlab statistical programming language and built a database of 1,700 state polls pulled off the Internet. His program runs a “likelihood analysis” on 15 closely contested battleground states. It takes 50 minutes to run on an old computer he got in return for a bunch of parts from a broken laptop.

The unemployed computer programmer in Oakland, Calif., identifies his politics as “to the left of standard Democratic candidates” and says he flirted with voting for Ralph Nader in 2000 before opting for libertarian Harry Browne. His calculations, made on Oct. 20, give Mr. Bush a 78.1% chance of victory.

Mr. Allen says he drew inspiration from Sam Wang, an assistant professor of molecular biology and neuroscience at Princeton University, who devised a computer program to analyze state polls and step through all the possible outcomes of 22 supposed battleground states.

There are 4,194,304 of them. (That’s 2 to the 22nd power: two possible choices – Bush or Kerry – in 22 states.)

As of yesterday evening, Mr. Wang’s “median outcome” was a razor-thin majority for Mr. Bush – 279 votes in the decisive Electoral College, versus Mr. Kerry’s 259, not counting undecided voters. But if the results followed historical patterns in which undecided voters generally break for the challenger, the Massachusetts senator would wind up with 307 electoral votes and the Oval Office, Prof. Wang says, based on his computations.

Messrs. Allen and Wang are among an elite cadre of political amateurs unleashing the tools of statistics and mathematics on an extraordinarily close presidential race.

Andrea Moro, an economics professor at the University of Minnesota, uses a type of simulation known as the Monte Carlo method to calculate the probable outcome. John Denker, a physicist and former AT&T Corp. and Bell Labs researcher, parses the Electoral College with a gigantic Microsoft Excel spreadsheet populated with reams of polling data that the Founding Fathers couldn’t have imagined.

“Sometimes, brute force has an elegance all its own,” says Mr. Denker, who describes himself as “polymathic mad scientist.”

Mr. Wang says, “Electoral prognostication is just exploding on the Internet.” He fastidiously updates data and posts comments to his Web site, election.princeton.edu. At 3:30 a.m., Oct. 22, he had this to say about the big state known for its hurricanes and hanging chads: “If Bush wins Florida, his win probability is 88%; if he loses, it’s only 20%.”

The Internet explosion was primed by the rise of blogging and the ready availability of state polls, manna for numerically inclined political junkies. Now, there is an abundance of Web sites dedicated to drawing electoral maps in red, for Republican, and blue, for Democrat.

But the statistical modelers contend that isn’t enough to go one-by-one through the states and call them for Mr. Bush or Mr. Kerry. That, they say, misses substantial nuances that are greatly magnified by the large number of states in play. For example, a candidate polling slim margins of victory in a number of small states is less likely to win them all than an opponent who has larger leads in fewer, but larger, states. The distinction is hard to represent on a color-coded map; it is more easily captured by statistical software.

So the new wave of amateur prognosticators employ a technique widely used in the physical sciences, known as likelihood analysis or “probabilistic modeling.” The idea is to understand complex events by breaking them into simpler, discrete events and assessing the probabilities of those events’ actually occurring. Physicists, for instance, express the positions of subatomic particles as probabilities. Astronomers and cosmologists use likelihood analysis to generate estimates for quantities such as the age and expansion rate of the universe.

Mr. Denker started building his model in August, after watching a TV commentator botch an explanation of probable outcomes. “I’m watching the news and slapping my forehead and saying, how can these guys be so silly?”

Matthew Hubbard, a math lecturer who teaches at California State University in Hayward, notes that many pre-election polls four years ago incorrectly predicted that Mr. Bush would win the popular vote. That led Mr. Hubbard to believe the data weren’t being processed properly by the media. “We weren’t really getting what I thought was particularly interesting or particularly good information,” he says. “So many people, when they talk on TV and write in newspapers, their mathematics are so bad.”

So this year, Mr. Hubbard, a computer programmer who once wrote games for Atari, created his own model, with its own Web site, that chomps through 16.8 million possibilities in the Electoral College in 72 seconds. His Oct. 23 prediction gave Mr. Kerry a 73.9% chance of reaching the winning threshold of 270 electoral votes, with Mr. Bush at 24.6%. He rated the probability of a 269-269 tie at 1.6%.

Mr. Hubbard, who is a Democrat, isn’t placing his bets quite yet, since the numbers have been shifting over the past several weeks. “I’ve played enough backgammon and poker to know that you don’t celebrate too early,” he says.

So it is with this agonizingly close election, where the slightest tips and swings have broad influence, and the combination of possible results is vast. Each of the models uses slightly different polling databases and different methods for assessing the errors in those polls, but all follow a similar scheme.

A statistical formula can transform one or more poll results and margins of error into a probability of victory. To take a simple example that avoids the complications of undecided voters and independent candidates, assume that Mr. Bush garners 55% and Mr. Kerry 45% in a poll with a three percentage-point margin of error. The wide gap and low margin yield a probability of more than 99% that Mr. Bush wins. A poll that’s 51%-49% for Mr. Bush, with a four-point margin, on the other hand, would yield only a 68.5% probability of victory.

Armed with the probabilities of victory in each state, the computers go to work crunching the probability of each separate Electoral College outcome. In a two-party system, there are quadrillions of them. Cutting the number of states down to a dozen or two battlegrounds makes the number more manageable – between about 30,000 and 16 million. (That ignores the fact that two or three states may split their electoral votes.)

The wide variation in the expected outcomes is due largely to the differences in selecting what polls to use, how to treat undecided voters, and what method is used to derive the statistical error in poll results. The modelers say, too, that they don’t have a way to take into account “external factors” not relating to the sampling error in poll-taking – including turnout and polling bias.

As a domain, politics is far messier than physics, says Alan Abramowitz, a professor of political science at Emory University and an expert on polling. The data are “subject to all kinds of error,” he says. “Trying to impose some of these very high-powered methods may be overwhelming the data.” What’s more, state polls generally draw from a smaller sample than national polls and are as a result less reliable.

The race is so close and so difficult to assess that Mr. Wang is split with himself: His model predicts a very narrow Bush win when he makes no assumptions about the behavior of undecided voters, and a larger Kerry victory if he allocates more undecideds to the Massachusetts senator.

When, last week, he switched his calculation to include the Kerry-boosting undecided formula, he got scores of protests from readers of all political persuasions who found the commingling of current survey data with historical trends to be an affront to the model’s purity.

He was slightly taken aback by a flood of e-mailed criticism. “I’m just some geek posting numbers,” he says.

Write to Charles Forelle at charles.forelle@wsj.com

So here’s a thought – what if there really were a tie?

You can wargame with the LA Times site I linked above and come up with a few different, plausible scenarios for a 269-269 electoral college tie. While it’s not likely, it’s definitely possible.

[Side note – there is a small matter of apportionment with Maine and Nebraska, but it’s unlikely. Also, from everything I’ve read concerning Colorado’s ballot intitiatve, 1) It won’t pass; and 2) If it were to pass, it would almost certainly not count for this election.]

So, what would happen in the event of a tie would be that the election would go to the House of Representatives, similarly to how it did back when Jefferson ran against Adams in 1800 (slightly different since the requirement that President and VP be voted on a single ticket was not in place then). Given the Republican majority in the House, which is solidly projected to stay that way due to gerrymandered districts (there are fewer closely contested House elections this year than Senate elections, which is absolutely ridiculous). Basically, tie goes to Bush.

However, I saw an author of an electoral college book this morning on TV claiming that the VP would be decided by the Senate – I haven’t reviewed the Constitution to check this out. But if that’s true, there is the slight possibility of the Democrats re-taking the Senate. It’s not likely, but it is possible. Therefore, we could, conceivably, end up with a Bush/Edwards President and VP. Simply amazing…

In regards to polls, I don’t care how you play it. The fact of the matter is, this country has never faced the dangers and the difficulties that we’ve faced within the last four years. This period of time has brought on the largest terrorist attack on our homeland in history. Given the scope of the challenges this country faces, I don’t think polls can do anything in the way of predictions.

(I do like it when they lean to my favor though.)

:wink:

Electoral College Calculus
Computer Analysis Shows 33 Ways To End in a Tie

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 27, 2004; Page A01

Could one of these electoral college nightmares be our destiny?

President Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry deadlock on Tuesday with 269 electoral votes apiece – but a single Bush elector in West Virginia defects, swinging the election to Kerry.

A computer analysis found 33 potential scenarios leading to a tie electoral vote for Sen. John F. Kerry and President Bush. If neither collects the 270 votes needed, the House will decide-with each state getting one vote. (Michael Robinson-Chavez – The Washington Post)

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Or Bush and Kerry are headed toward an electoral college tie, but the 2nd Congressional District of Maine breaks with the rest of the state, giving its one electoral vote – and the presidency – to Bush.

Or the Massachusetts senator wins an upset victory in Colorado and appears headed to the White House, but a Colorado ballot initiative that passes causes four of the state’s nine electoral votes to go to Bush – creating an electoral college tie that must be resolved in the U.S. House.

None of these scenarios is likely to occur next week, but neither is any of them far-fetched. Tuesday’s election will probably be decided in 11 states where polls currently show the race too tight to predict a winner. And, assuming the other states go as predicted, a computer analysis finds no fewer than 33 combinations in which those 11 states could divide to produce a 269 to 269 electoral tie.

Normally, such outcomes are strictly theoretical. But not this time, with the election seemingly so close and unpredictable. “Flukey things probably happen in every election, but because most are not close nobody pays any attention,” said Charles E. Cook Jr., an elections handicapper. “But when it’s virtually a tied race, hell, what isn’t important?” Cook says this election is on course to match 2000’s distinction of having five states decided by less than half a percentage point.

It is still possible that the vote on Tuesday will produce a clear winner of both the electoral and popular votes. But if the winner’s margin is small – less than 1 percent of the popular vote is a rule of thumb – the odds increase that the quirks of the electoral college could again decide the presidency and again raise doubts about a president’s legitimacy.

“Let us hope for a wide victory by one of the two; the alternative is too awful to contemplate,” said Walter Berns, an electoral college specialist at the American Enterprise Institute.

But many political strategists are preparing for a narrow – and possibly split – decision. Jim Jordan, former Kerry campaign manager now working on a Democratic voter-mobilization effort, puts the odds at 1 in 3 that Bush will share the fate Al Gore suffered in 2000: a popular-vote win but an electoral loss. “It’s actually looking more and more plausible,” he said, citing a number of polls showing a Bush lead nationally but a Kerry lead in many battleground states.

A repeat of 2000 – Bush losing the popular vote but winning the electoral count – is considered less likely because the president has been boosting his support in already Republican states and reducing his deficit in some safely Democratic states.

Even without a split between the electoral and popular votes, there is room for electoral mischief. To begin with, there are the 33 scenarios under which the battleground states could line up so that Kerry and Bush are in an electoral tie. Even if only the six most fiercely contested states are considered – Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio and Wisconsin – the electoral vote would be tied if Kerry wins Florida, Minnesota and New Hampshire while Bush wins New Mexico, Ohio and Wisconsin.

Under the 12th Amendment, if one candidate does not get 270 votes, the decision goes to the House, where each state gets a vote – a formula that would guarantee a Bush victory (the Senate picks the vice president). A House-decided election could produce even more protests than the 2000 election did. That, writes Ryan Lizza of the New Republic, who spelled out 17 scenarios under which the election could end in an electoral tie, is perhaps the only way “for a second Bush term to seem more illegitimate in the eyes of Democrats than his first term.”

The possibility of a tie or near-tie in the electoral college also makes it more possible for individual electors to cause havoc. In West Virginia, one of the state’s five Republican electors, South Charleston Mayor Richie Robb, has said he might not vote for Bush (although he calls it “unlikely” he would support Kerry). And in Ohio, the political publication the Hotline reports, one of Kerry’s 20 electors could be disqualified because he is a congressman. Such problems and “faithless electors” have surfaced before, but the elections were not close enough for it to matter.

In Maine, the state appears to be comfortably in Kerry’s column. But the state splits its electoral votes based in part on the vote in each congressional district. If Bush wins in Maine’s 2nd District, where Kerry has a narrow lead, the president would take one of the state’s four electoral votes, a potentially decisive difference. For example, if Bush takes New Hampshire, Ohio and Wisconsin; Kerry gets Florida, Minnesota and New Mexico; and the other 44 states follow recent polls, Kerry will win the election with 270 votes – unless Maine’s 2nd District turns against him.

Conversely, Bush is favored to win Colorado’s nine electoral votes. But a ballot initiative being decided Tuesday would cause the state’s electoral votes to be distributed proportionally – almost certainly meaning five electoral votes for the winner and four for the loser. Polls show the ballot initiative is likely to fail, but if it passes, the presidential election could change with it.

If Bush were to win Colorado along with the key battlegrounds of New Hampshire, New Mexico and Ohio (and other states followed polls’ predictions) he would have 273 electoral votes – but that would become a tie at 269 votes if the ballot initiative passes. Alternatively, if Kerry were to win Colorado and claim Minnesota, New Mexico and Ohio, he would have 272 votes – until Colorado’s ballot initiative returned four votes, and the presidency, to Bush.

I am pulling for Bush. Either way I hope one of them wins by a wide margin so this does not go to the courts…or Congress.

Not that my opinion matters, on a forum that is so divided, but just for the hell of it…

I don’t think it will be necessary to analyze a tie. The fact of the matter is, Iraq and Terrorism have always been in Bush’s favor (by 20 points at one point). Ask yourself what has been the dominant topic since the 3rd debate? That’s right, Iraq and Terrorism. Bush has a very solid lead over sKerry in this area, and that is where voters’ minds will be when entering the booth. While the media bigotry has tried to smear Bush, they’ve successfully shot themselves in the foot by keeping Iraq and Terrorism on the forefront of the voter’s mind.

My sis is a Clinton democrat and said it best, “Who makes me feel safer?” And, as we walked away from the election office last night (sis, my wife, and I), she said, “Well, there’s three more votes for President Bush.” She’s a good kid ~ lover her to death, even though she did like Clinton and voted for Gore.

Zogby’s own opinion, according to him, is that Kerry will win the election. His reasoning is that at less than 50%, the incumbant is in a very poor position.

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[quote]hedo wrote:

Summary: The election looks to be centered around Florida and Ohio right now. The latest Zogby Poll (and I think Zogby polling leans left) has Bush at +3 in Florida and +5 in Ohio. That’s bad news for Kerry. I also think Minnesota is close to being a Bush leaning state.

[/quote]

Today’s Zogby has the candidates tied at 47%…showing a consistent Kerry come back this month.

[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
hedo wrote:

Summary: The election looks to be centered around Florida and Ohio right now. The latest Zogby Poll (and I think Zogby polling leans left) has Bush at +3 in Florida and +5 in Ohio. That’s bad news for Kerry. I also think Minnesota is close to being a Bush leaning state.

Today’s Zogby has the candidates tied at 47%…showing a consistent Kerry come back this month.[/quote]

He did well this month with the help of the media bigotry; however, he’s starting to take a downturn. Zogby is full of it. Most polls are full of it, but take a look at http://www.realclearpolitics.com to get an overall view. Keep your eye on the Job Approval percentage. If it stays in the 50 percentile, I’m fairly confident that Bush will win this soundly. If it drops into the 40’s, then Bush might be in trouble. Regardless, I still think that Iraq being on the front page will make this election swing in Bush’s favor. Shall I say, Bush 52% ~ Kerry 47% (Cheney’s prediction).

[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Zogby’s own opinion, according to him, is that Kerry will win the election. His reasoning is that at less than 50%, the incumbant is in a very poor position.

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Zogby is known to poll with a democratic leaning. I went to a speech by Charlie Cook who is without a doubt the most widely regarded election watcher in the country for both his insight and non partisanship. He said it was too close to call but he seemed to say that Bush was close enough that a win was well within his grasp.

From Rich Galen’s Mullings

"Here’s what I think is likely to happen: Bush will win in enough states by a large enough margin (which is to say something north of the automatic-recount line) such that the Kerry camp would have to litigate and overturn the election-night outcomes in a number of states which might be mathematically achievable, but legally improbable and politically impossible.
Assuming no extremely weird changes over the weekend, we are heading into election day with the President at about 227 electoral votes and Senator Kerry at about 207.
The following states (with their electoral votes) are within the margin of error:
Florida (27)
Pennsylvania (21)
Ohio (20)
Iowa (7)
Wisconsin (10)
Minnesota (10)
New Mexico (5)
I know some polls have Michigan and New Jersey about even as well, but let’s put those aside for this discussion.
Of that list, I suspect the President will win Florida (to take his total to 254), either Pennsylvania or Ohio (274), Wisconsin or Minnesota (284), Iowa (291) and New Mexico (296).
And it is very likely that he might win more than those, but as he only needs 270 electoral votes, that’s plenty.
Let’s assume the President wins New Mexico (or Iowa) AND Ohio AND Minnesota (or Wisconsin) by margins which are close but outside the automatic recount level which is typically one-half-of-one-percent.
That would mean that the Democrats would have to use legal challenges overturn the election in Ohio (or Pennsylvania) and at least one of the other two states.
Litigating one state is, as we learned in 2000, a torturous process. Litigating three states with the Presidency hanging in the balance - especially if the chances of going two-for-three is not very likely - would be potentially devastating to the process. It is very important that litigation not become the norm following Presidential elections.
As we move into the final weekend, no national poll has Kerry leading. The two edges are the LA Times which has it tied and Gallup which has Bush up five. But those polls are now four days old.
Among the more recent polls, the ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll has Bush +1 (a two-point shift to Bush overnight), and every other poll has Bush leading by two or three percentage points.
I know that means they are all within the all-important MARGIN OF ERROR, but that they all show Bush ahead is a fact the jury may take into consideration.
If the national polls all have Bush leading, it is not likely that the battleground states - taken as a whole - are much different.
If Senator Kerry is serious about improving America’s standing in the world, he can help that cause by not putting the United States into the position of explaining to the world why, for the second time in four years, it does not know who its President will be.
Sometime in the morning hours of November 3, John Kerry seeing that the margins are outside any reasonable chance of reversal, will call off the legal challenges, pick up a phone, and call President Bush to congratulate him. "

[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
He did well this month with the help of the media bigotry[/quote]

If by media bigotry you mean Kerry legitimately and thoroughly kicked Bush’s ass in the debates, then I couldn’t agree more JackZep.

[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
He did well this month with the help of the media bigotry

If by media bigotry you mean Kerry legitimately and thoroughly kicked Bush’s ass in the debates, then I couldn’t agree more JackZep.[/quote]

There’s where you’re line of thinking is so jacked up man. You think there is a link between the media and the debates. The debates were so scripted that they accomplished NOTHING. However, CBS & NYT is working feverishly to oust Bush.

Do me a favor. Use the rest of the weekend to “think”. It’s not that bad really. I try it from time to time and it’s pretty cool.