Election Day Thread

Many writers on socioeconomic policy have warned that the old industrialized democracies are heading into a Weimar-like period, one in which populist movements are likely to overturn constitutional governments. Edward Luttwak, for example, has suggested that fascism may be the American future. The point of his book The Endangered American Dream is that members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.

At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots. A scenario like that of Sinclair Lewis’ novel It Can’t Happen Here may then be played out. For once a strongman takes office, nobody can predict what will happen. In 1932, most of the predictions made about what would happen if Hindenburg named Hitler chancellor were wildly overoptimistic.

One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion. The words ā€œniggerā€ and ā€œkikeā€ will once again be heard in the workplace. All the sadism which the academic Left has tried to make unacceptable to its students will come flooding back. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.

  • Richard Rorty, 1997

That might happen, however, safe space. triggered millenials can hardly be the future.

If you only give me the choice between two Kinds of fascism…

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It is true because a bunch of crybullies on facebook said so.

Never mind that foreign born Mexican and central american cartels run the hard drug trades. It wasn’t a nice thing to say.

Forget about the fact that Trojan horsing terrorists with refugees was an expressed strategy of ISIS.

It wasn’t nice of him to say it.

Therefore, he is racist. And so is everybody else that votes for him. Even the minorities that voted for him are confused, self harming dupes.

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I would say its chances of a confirmation are not good

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They might, did you notice this was the first election were religion was a non-issue, and after both Bush presidents the war issue was more on Hillary instead of the republican candidate. And another big one, republicans always got the blame for being in bed with big business but anyone smart knew both sides were guilty on that. This time it was 90%+ on the dem side. Then with Hillary aside (and Bernie because of age) who do the dems have left? Pick your ideal republican candidate, what democrat would you be nervous them running against?

That’s ready right now? None. Couple people that could be ready in 4 years maybe…

If the party would except someone like Webb, which they won’t because he isn’t enough of a commie, I’d be nervous he’d run the table.

A pro-gun Dem (which is really what Trump is lol) who isn’t afraid of being pro-gun, would steam roll the living shit out of the current electorate.

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That is my general philosophy. Rand Paul had it going on. To bad no one agreed with me. After that you go for the best you can get

I was going to say Webb. He would have left Trump in the dust. But his own party has gone so far to the left that they will never nominate a moderate again

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I think we’ve chatted enough on here to know that we can disagree amicably, so I’ll pursue this one with you a little bit, if I may.

You’re right that the media has an incredible knack for taking remarks out of context and/or blowing them out of proportion as clickbait, and you’re correct that safe-space liberals are too sensitive. But there is plenty of behavior in Trump’s past showing that he’s not terribly tolerant of others. This isn’t about whether ā€œMexico isn’t sending us their bestā€ remarks are racist (a clumsy remark, but I’m smart enough to understand there’s a difference between what he actually said vs. calling all Mexicans rapists) or using the phrase ā€œradical Islamic terrorismā€ (which, again, isn’t saying all Muslims are terrorists, merely acknowledging that there are Muslims who are radical terrorists).

But Trump has been sued by the DOJ for refusal to rent to blacks, for one example, and has made a couple remarks to the effect of not wanting black guys counting his money, and has questioned whether American-born judge had a conflict of interest in his Trump University lawsuit because of his ā€œMexican heritageā€ which (agreeing with Paul Ryan) is kind of the textbook definition of a racist comment.

Anyways, whether he qualifies as a ā€œracistā€ or not, the more pertinent question IMO is whether his ā€œracismā€ (perceived or real) will

  1. affect his ability to govern

  2. affect the social attitude throughout the country toward minorities

I think the latter is the primary concern of most American-citizen minorities right now.

Of course, I think that it’s unfair to characterize all Trump voters as racist, but (confusing phrase coming) it’s hard for me to believe that it’s hard for others to believe why minorities, even quiet, normal, hardworking, not-on-welfare, not-part-of-Black-Lives-Matter minorities (like the Indian and Arabic and Chinese doctors I work with, to name a few) are concerned that seeing someone like Trump in charge could be a bad thing for them.

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Maybe there is a correct amount of Political Correctness?

Too little can be as problematic as too much?

Part of trying to heal the divide and move forward will be letting Hillary-related investigations die quietly. It would be counterproductive to say, ā€œLet’s all work together and make nice, but first we’re gonna put your standard bearer in jail.ā€

I don’t think anybody will have the will to pursue her now.

Well, now these people understand what it was like watching Obama get elected for quite a few million people.

Turns out those fears were mostly overblown (generally speaking, I’m not saying I’d give him above a D+). I fully expect the Cheeto fears to be roughly the same.

But end of the day, Trump wants to win right? Wants to prove he was right about how awful Obama was right? Wants to walk out of Penn Ave middle fingers to the world like ā€œI told you fuckers I had thisā€ right?

Right.

Which means he isn’t going to just go ā€œliteral Hitlerā€ and pushing Jim Crow policies… Although he is a democrat so you never know.

End of the day, fear is an emotion. Emotions aren’t good or bad, they just are. I can’t control other people’s, and the SJW left as made me not give a fuck about their feelings to be honest. I’m going to treat everyone like an individual and continue on the way I always have. I suspect 99% of people will do the same.

Now for the asshole post I would have made last year or the year before:

Yes because so far all the violence has been from the LEFT against people for Trump, so those people should certainly without question be afraid of something that hasn’t happened yet, but have done onto others.

insert examples

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If we call it common courtesy, civility, and an assumption of goodwill, we can never have enough of these things. This is basic golden rule stuff that most of us learned from our parents, if we had a decent upbringing.

Legislating ā€œoffensiveā€ speech, attempting to silence or shame people with different viewpoints, being ok with historically aggrieved or disadvantaged groups mistreating others, elevating victimhood… This is all negative.

We recently had student protests at Berkeley where a group of minority and LGBT students blocked a foot bridge, and would not allow white students to pass. To get to class, they all had to go around. The minority students seemed to think they had the right to harass other young adults on the basis of their appearance, to ā€œteach them a lesson.ā€ This kind of thing has risen out of the PC movement, and it doesn’t build bridges of understanding, pun intended. A bit of a threadjack, but you can watch a video here.

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I was referring to the President Elect.

Lots of people wanted him to use the term Radical Islamic Terror. Nobody is really enthused about other stuff he said.

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Fair points through out. I guess the distinction I draw is between prejudiced and outright racist.

To me, the vast majority of people have some prejudices. Flat out racist is different. Racist would be if there was an unspoken policy of ā€œDo not hire blacks.ā€. And believe me, I know for a fact that this absolutely exists.

Not saying he isn’t prejudiced in some regards, but I am saying he is not racist as I understand it.

Disclaimer- I could have a lesser or different understanding of it than others. As I’m mulling it over and fleshing out my thoughts, I’d best describe the two (in my mind) as this- Prejudice is a preconceived notion that a person should not be trusted. Racist is a murderous hatred of a person of another race. Most prejudices can be gotten over through exposure. Racism on the other hand, can not.

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Regardless, this stuff is stupid and so easily avoided. We’re going to have a helluva time recovering from it. Freedom of religion is fundamental to America. Saying he wanted more careful vetting of refugees wouldn’t have piqued my ire like the religious comment did.

If it wasn’t racism, his response about the Hispanic judge sure sounded a lot like racism to me. Ticked me off.

My advice to Trump, on the first day, put someone with class and tact in charge of your Twitter account.

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Gotcha. Haha. Sorry for giving you an earful, I thought you were taking about the wider topic.

I’m not well versed or educated enough to know whether or not that was a hard game of dirty politics or if there is truly something worthy of prosecution there.

I’m willing to get past it as far as everything goes, but it was also important in forming an opinion which drove who I was going to vote for. Had all things been the same but for the hard earned perception that she can not be trusted, I could very well have voted for her. I’m not a hard core conservative by any stretch. On the clock I’d be at about 12:03 leaning to the right.

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While on a work trip this week, and after way too many drinks, I asked an overweight feminazi architect why it was ok for her to call me dumb, but I couldn’t call her fat.

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If it’s any help for you, his comments were because the judge was a leader in the local La Raza organization

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