Effective Deca Dose on TRT?

Pharma / TRT
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Hey guys I’ve been on trt for a little over a year now. As most it was a rough start getting everything under control. I found a happy dose where my bloods are perfect

(Test floats from 1000-1100 and estrogen between 15-25)

I added in deca about 3 months ago and I haven’t really noticed much if anything. I was hoping to have more of an improved increase in muscle mass but my main focus is on long term health. Here is what I’m taking.

.4 mg test (210 per ML) E4D
.3 mg deca (200 per ML) E4D
.25 arimidex E3D
.25 Dostinex E4D (naturally high prolactin)

What do you think about the deca dose? It’s 120mg every 8 Days so just over a week. Like i said I’m focusing on long term health but wondering if I upped it just a little if I would not jeopardized health too kid and notice more of a bang.

Interested to see what you guys have had success with and at what dose.

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Don’t run Deca long term, and if you’re looking for a “bang”, use more than that, or better, use anavar. Really more of a Pharma question though.

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I am interested in long term steady gains not cycle doses, just wondering if my dose at .3 e4d is a hair too low or not.

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I wouldn’t view Deca as a long term solution. Blast and cruise with just test would be better

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I’d stick with very basic compounds if you care about health. Var, mast, prov, test.

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Caber long term is bad news. And you’re taking adex even while your e2 is low compared to your TT. I would imagine you’d get more from your program if you had a little more e2 (which is highly anabolic) than you’d ever get from low dose deca.

As far as the deca goes, you might be expecting too much. I used 100mg/w for 18 weeks and the benefits were better recovery and reduction of joint pain. But I don’t think I put on an ounce of extra muscle because of the deca directly. But I was able to lift more and had less pain, so that contributes indirectly to the overall gains.

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var absolutely wrecks lipids for some. Nephrotoxicity (as is present with higher doses of all steroids), hepatotoxicity. Other risks (cardiovascular, endocrine, haematological etc are about on par with most other commonly used AAS.

Mast, primo, test anecdotally appear to be the mildest on bloodwork. Mesterolone can be harsh in terms of sheer androgenicity (as can test) and thus may be intolerable for those sensitive to acne, MPB etc. Mesterolone also happens to be broken down into metabolites of which are inactive in skeletal muscle via 3b-HSD enzyme. Furthermore in higher doses literature demonstrates proviron wrecks lipids

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Question for you unreal: why do some anabolic wreck lipids? What is the mechanism(s) for this?

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Entire mechanism isn’t entirely known. Certain AAS such as oxandrolone and stanozolol heavily increase hepatic lipase in men. Of which said enzyme catabolises HDL cholesterol.

Furthermore with hepatotoxic compounds, interrupting bile flow (of which is a common byproduct/manifestation of hepatotoxicity… actually I believe cholastasis is the most common injury associated with c17AA compounds) interferes with cholesterol metabolism and regulation. Aside from that the effect of androgens regarding lipids remain mysterious (albeit well documented).

Androgen/estrogen ratio probably plays a role as estrogen is important for cholesterol management.