[quote]countingbeans wrote:
it is the corporations & governements fault.
Silly newb.[/quote]
Yeah, you know, the same gov’t that inspects all that rotting, hormone injected beef and passes it because it actually passes gov’t guidelines. You know, rotting meat and shit.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]whatever2k wrote:
[quote]supa power wrote:
I can’t comment on the “anus burger” because I’ve only eaten at McDonalds a couple of times in my life. I can tell you that the difference in general between a McDonalds burger and a good quality burger either home made or bought in a good restaraunt is the quality of the meat.
Am I really explaining this. Do you really think McDonalds sources the best of the best meat?? No it uses the half rotting, hormone pumped, shittiest and cheapest meat possible, whether they say it’s “angus” or not it’s all the same.
Now if you want to eat it all the time because you like the taste then go ahead. Personally the reason I avoid it is because I think it tastes like rotten ass and not completely because it’s unhealthy. And also I know I’m one of those 1 in a million people who dislikes the taste of McDonalds, but hey, just sharing my opinion.
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Agreed. Personally I feel like death after eating at mcdonalds which is why I havent eaten there in years, and will avoid it for the rest of my life. Their food is either high in sugar, sodium, preservatives or hormones. Basically all the things that are responsible for the obesity epidemic and rise in lifestyle related diseases.
If people wanna use lifting as an excuse to eat there, then fine by me. But for anyone to think they are that special snowflake that gets away with it in the long run is laughable. I know a guy from my gym who started lifting and consequently quit all aerobics and started eating fast food every day in order to get big. Sure, he got up to 110 kg in a very short time. But the last time I saw him he was downright fat. Love handles hanging over his belt, while breathing like a beached whale from a set of dumbell curls.
No thanks.
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I could get fat eating healthy too if my surplus was big enough.
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Calorie surplus? That has nothing to do with people being fat man, it is all Fast Food joint’s fault. Nothing to do with the individual, it is the corporations & governements fault.
Silly newb.[/quote]
You’re right. I think I’ll go buy some diet cookies that are like 300 kcal per 100g, but hey, they are healthy and for dieting people!
Actually this reminds me that the ground meat I buy, the one with highest content of fat (I think it’s 290 kcal/100g) has this icon of a girl with a measuring tape around her waist. Unbelievable.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
it is the corporations & governements fault.
Silly newb.[/quote]
Yeah, you know, the same gov’t that inspects all that rotting, hormone injected beef and passes it because it actually passes gov’t guidelines. You know, rotting meat and shit.[/quote]
Though I like most of what you say around here ^this^ comment reeks with confidence in the FDA.
You would probably be surprised about what passes a government food inspection.
The bar isn’t set too high…
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
I am a big fan of so-called “junk food.” Calories, check - delicious, check - convenient, check. It’s not like your tricep is thinking “Ehh . . this isn’t organic whole grain bread, and I can totes tell the meat is processed. No growth for you!”
Also, I’m not sure where this idea that “healthy” gains are somehow better than “unhealthy” gains originated from, but I want it to die. Nobly suffering through boring food won’t make you grow any faster.
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I think you’re off base here.
your body most definitely can tell if the fuel you’re giving it is from good sources or not. I’ve recently started following the Mountain Dog Diet after I heard really good things about it from other posters on here.
the basic principle behind it is “Its not ‘You are what you’ its 'You are what you eat has eaten” The meat sources are grass fed beef, wild caught fish, free range chicken/eggs… etc etc.
I’ve increased my calories, fats, carbs while lowering my protein intake and have gotten bigger, stronger and leaner. I am now 100% convinced that your body knows the difference and uses those food sources differently than it would “normal” food.
just my personal experience though.
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
This thread is dumb. Jesus H.
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
Sorry for the rant…
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Do you have public progress anywhere?
Or is this another case of “let me put down others without holding myself out to be judged.”
Your stats listed in your private profile sound like you are a quick cut away from Tony Freeman.[/quote]
Toney Freeman just happens to be my favorite BBer.
Took this one this morning straight out of bed: [/quote]
Clearly so advanced as to support your stance.
[quote]JLone wrote:
Though I like most of what you say around here ^this^ comment reeks with confidence in the FDA.
You would probably be surprised about what passes a government food inspection.
The bar isn’t set too high…[/quote]
I don’t disagree 
One of the top reasons to eat “healthy”, is because of the effect on insulin sensitivity, various hormone activities and so on, that junk food has. I truly believe that the shitty carbs found in burgers, tacos, fries and etc. has a negative effect on the body’s abillity to handle carbs/insulin.
My personal experience tells me that I handle the occasional cheat meal MUCH better, after I began eating cleaner carbs. This, however, is more important to me as I am an endomorph, it doesn’t matter as much for people with higher metabolisms (like the op), if eating like shit to kick-start their appetite and growth, then go for it.
This thread is pointless without pictures of progress.
You would think this were some argument against pro bodybuilders and NAAFA listening to some of these posts.
reality seems to be way different.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]whatever2k wrote:
[quote]supa power wrote:
I can’t comment on the “anus burger” because I’ve only eaten at McDonalds a couple of times in my life. I can tell you that the difference in general between a McDonalds burger and a good quality burger either home made or bought in a good restaraunt is the quality of the meat.
Am I really explaining this. Do you really think McDonalds sources the best of the best meat?? No it uses the half rotting, hormone pumped, shittiest and cheapest meat possible, whether they say it’s “angus” or not it’s all the same.
Now if you want to eat it all the time because you like the taste then go ahead. Personally the reason I avoid it is because I think it tastes like rotten ass and not completely because it’s unhealthy. And also I know I’m one of those 1 in a million people who dislikes the taste of McDonalds, but hey, just sharing my opinion.
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Agreed. Personally I feel like death after eating at mcdonalds which is why I havent eaten there in years, and will avoid it for the rest of my life. Their food is either high in sugar, sodium, preservatives or hormones. Basically all the things that are responsible for the obesity epidemic and rise in lifestyle related diseases.
If people wanna use lifting as an excuse to eat there, then fine by me. But for anyone to think they are that special snowflake that gets away with it in the long run is laughable. I know a guy from my gym who started lifting and consequently quit all aerobics and started eating fast food every day in order to get big. Sure, he got up to 110 kg in a very short time. But the last time I saw him he was downright fat. Love handles hanging over his belt, while breathing like a beached whale from a set of dumbell curls.
No thanks.
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I could get fat eating healthy too if my surplus was big enough.
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Pretty lame argument. First of all because we all know its a heck of a lot harder to get in 5000 cals on a clean diet than on a Mcd diet. Second of all, there cant be a shred of doubt that a clean calorie surplus leads to more lean muscle mass gained and less fat gain than a diet consisting of crap. Also, we arent just talking macronutrients.
Micronutrients and what goes on inside your body is just as important. Sure some people with freaky metabolisms could prolly get away with eating junk all day long without getting fat. Doesent mean its good for their bodies in the long run.
Wait, is OP looking to get healthy or pack on freaky amounts of muscle?
Because that would seem to be important in thsi conversation.
[quote]whatever2k wrote:
Pretty lame argument. [/quote]
Uh, no, it isn’t. You can eat too many calories and get fat no matter what foods you eat. That statement is not incorrect.
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First of all because we all know its a heck of a lot harder to get in 5000 cals on a clean diet than on a Mcd diet.[/quote]
Who cares? The whole issue is calories. It doesn’t matter where the calories are coming from in this regard. If you eat too much, you gain fat. Further, why would you assume that because someone eats some fast food that they completely ignore their caloric intake?
Why is that the usual argument and how much longer before people figure out how lame it is?
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Second of all, there cant be a shred of doubt that a clean calorie surplus leads to more lean muscle mass gained and less fat gain than a diet consisting of crap. Also, we arent just talking macronutrients. [/quote]
MORE lean muscle gain? Bullshit. While you can argue about fat gains, to argue you gain more muscle when the protein intake and calories are the same is just false. Also, how much fat you gain is based on way more (mostly genetic issues) than whether you ate more sugar today alone.
Everything that goes into your body can have effects, and no one here is talking about having some completely unbalanced diet.
If your argument hinges on ignorance of caloric intake and some lopsided attempt to ignore all other vitamins and minerals, you are not thinking clearly or you assume you are speaking to a room of people less experienced than yourself.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Wait, is OP looking to get healthy or pack on freaky amounts of muscle?
Because that would seem to be important in thsi conversation.[/quote]
That is what the thread is about…but clearly the “tone” crowd is out in force.
As long as it fits in your macros…there’s no need to eat above say 4000 grand unless you are pretty big already. That being said…I eat plenty of shit, but I also count calories and macros…you don’t really have to do that, but it’s good to have a general idea of how many calories it takes you to grow and then aim for that.
Best gains I ever experienced before when I was powerlifting was when I ate a cheeseburgers before and after the gym and went to all you can eat buffets. I wasn’t nearly as lean as I am now, but I was way stronger…
I’ll go that route again in a couple months…I’m just trying to enjoy being lean for a little while.
[quote]Professor X wrote:Uh, no, it isn’t. You can eat too many calories and get fat no matter what foods you eat. That statement is not incorrect.[quote]
The argument was lame because it was so painfully obvious. Offcourse you CAN get fat by eating clean, but it would take a hell of alot more effort. the fattest fucks to be seen are not at the sushi or salad bars to put it that way. Look at my first post and tell me that his post had any relevance to it whatsoever.
[quote]Professor X wrote: MORE lean muscle gain? Bullshit. While you can argue about fat gains, to argue you gain more muscle when the protein intake and calories are the same is just false. Also, how much fat you gain is based on way more (mostly genetic issues) than whether you ate more sugar today alone.[quote]
Net lean muscle gain. Eating crap to gain a certain amount of weight, then trying to take it all off often result in that person loosing alot of muscle. As opposed to someone who eats cleaner and will have less work to do when its time to cut. Offc genetic issues is a large part of it. That being said, I have seen previously lean athletic friends of mine increase their bf% significantly and in most instances the culprit from my own observations has been a change of eating habits. Lots of refined sugars, fast food etc.
[quote]Professor X wrote:Everything that goes into your body can have effects, and no one here is talking about having some completely unbalanced diet.
If your argument hinges on ignorance of caloric intake and some lopsided attempt to ignore all other vitamins and minerals, you are not thinking clearly or you assume you are speaking to a room of people less experienced than yourself.
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Once again. I am not unaware that caloric intake is THE most significant factor when it comes to weight gain. But if you read my original post again you will see that I never made such a claim. I was simply presenting my take on this issue, which is that making fast food a regular part of ones diet is not desirable both when it comes to aestetics and but first and foremost because of health issues(which is why i referred to Dave Tate)
I dont think that having a cheat meal once a week for instance will have any negative effect. But the OP was considering replacing a large part of his daily caloric intake with fast food which I strongly oppose.
I disagreed with whatever2k, but I see (and agree) his point though if we’re talking about health, but about aestetics I really have no idea how “bad” calories affect it compared to “good” calories.
[quote]whatever2k wrote:
The argument was lame because it was so painfully obvious. Offcourse you CAN get fat by eating clean, but it would take a hell of alot more effort. the fattest fucks to be seen are not at the sushi or salad bars to put it that way. Look at my first post and tell me that his post had any relevance to it whatsoever.[/quote]
The “fattest fucks” don’t give a shit about muscle gains. They don’t lift weights 5-6 days a week without fail for several years and don’t spend time making sure that regardless of WHERE they eat that they are eating to grow.
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Net lean muscle gain. Eating crap to gain a certain amount of weight, then trying to take it all off often result in that person loosing alot of muscle. As opposed to someone who eats cleaner and will have less work to do when its time to cut. Offc genetic issues is a large part of it. That being said, I have seen previously lean athletic friends of mine increase their bf% significantly and in most instances the culprit from my own observations has been a change of eating habits. Lots of refined sugars, fast food etc. [/quote]
Why do you believe that someone who may gain more body fat while gaining muscle will lose all of their muscle when dieting?
Further, why do you think there is zero benefit to making gaining muscle the primary focus?
Your stance would make sense if the guy you were speaking to was less muscular than you and obese.
I know that some of you like to believe that because it allows you to think that everyone bigger than you will somehow lose all of their muscle should they be carrying more body fat.
It must lead to easier nights getting to sleep to think that way.
Dave Tate ate skittles for breakfast. He was at an extreme end of the curve and even then he ended carrying way more muscle than the “always stay super lean” crowd. Coincidence?
You would like to think so, huh?
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I dont think that having a cheat meal once a week for instance will have any negative effect. But the OP was considering replacing a large part of his daily caloric intake with fast food which I strongly oppose. [/quote]
While you won’t see me recommending anyone eat all of their meals at a fast food place, I will also not pretend that some of the biggest bodies on the planet avoided it.
Cedric Mcmillan claims he was the first “Cheeseburger Larry” as he ate a great deal of his meals like that while gaining.
Clearly he did it wrong…and should have listened to you, right?
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I disagreed with whatever2k, but I see (and agree) his point though if we’re talking about health, but about aestetics I really have no idea how “bad” calories affect it compared to “good” calories.
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Bodybuilding isn’t about “health” in itself.
It never has been.
Health doesn’t have shit to do with 20" arms.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I disagreed with whatever2k, but I see (and agree) his point though if we’re talking about health, but about aestetics I really have no idea how “bad” calories affect it compared to “good” calories.
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Bodybuilding isn’t about “health” in itself.
It never has been.
Health doesn’t have shit to do with 20" arms.[/quote]
I don’t disagree, but whatever2k’s point is kinda about health, while yours is purely speaking about muscle mass.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I disagreed with whatever2k, but I see (and agree) his point though if we’re talking about health, but about aestetics I really have no idea how “bad” calories affect it compared to “good” calories.
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Bodybuilding isn’t about “health” in itself.
It never has been.
Health doesn’t have shit to do with 20" arms.[/quote]
I don’t disagree, but whatever2k’s point is kinda about health, while yours is purely speaking about muscle mass. [/quote]
The OP was purely speaking about muscle mass as well…thus the on going argument.
The real question is, why did a thread about gaining the most muscle possible suddenly turn into how to eat the most “healthy”?
If your plan is to just eat healthier than everyone else, QUIT BODYBUILDING.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I disagreed with whatever2k, but I see (and agree) his point though if we’re talking about health, but about aestetics I really have no idea how “bad” calories affect it compared to “good” calories.
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Bodybuilding isn’t about “health” in itself.
It never has been.
Health doesn’t have shit to do with 20" arms.[/quote]
I don’t disagree, but whatever2k’s point is kinda about health, while yours is purely speaking about muscle mass. [/quote]
The OP was purely speaking about muscle mass as well…thus the on going argument.
The real question is, why did a thread about gaining the most muscle possible suddenly turn into how to eat the most “healthy”?
If your plan is to just eat healthier than everyone else, QUIT BODYBUILDING.[/quote]
Well, the thread is called “Eating unhealthy”. I think that health discussions kinda belong here…