In April I’m expecting to finish my first real bulk (of one year) and I’m planning to have added around 50lb of weight. Let’s see how much of that is muscle, although I guess that depends on my training quality, but I really have to start adding some junk food because very soon because I’m tired of eating always the same and trying to keep it “healthy”.
I guess that’s the point of the thread after all. How will that junk food affect my body composition? We will see…
[quote]Edevus wrote:
In April I’m expecting to finish my first real bulk (of one year) and I’m planning to have added around 50lb of weight. Let’s see how much of that is muscle, although I guess that depends on my training quality, but I really have to start adding some junk food because very soon because I’m tired of eating always the same and trying to keep it “healthy”.
I guess that’s the point of the thread after all. How will that junk food affect my body composition? We will see…[/quote]
I think the real point being made is that “who really cares how it directly affects body composition if you gained the most muscle you possibly could AND you didn’t let body fat get out of control”. (I already know how people will twist what I just wrote)
My argument is no, I do not think these people this worried about body comp are gaining the most muscle possible. They may be keeping fat to a minimum (which for many may be the goal in itself…which is fine), but I don’t see the same muscular size increases as someone with the mentality we are speaking of. I also don’t believe for a second that my own body would have accepted the weight I am carrying now as “homeostatic” or “metabolically efficient” if I never forced a very large weight increase and allowed my body to get used to it.
In other words, the people acting as if this is some battle between lazy people and determined people are lost in this thread.
This is about who gets really huge and who doesn’t. You can’t argue with real results…and no one here is talking about getting fat for no reason.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
In April I’m expecting to finish my first real bulk (of one year) and I’m planning to have added around 50lb of weight. Let’s see how much of that is muscle, although I guess that depends on my training quality, but I really have to start adding some junk food because very soon because I’m tired of eating always the same and trying to keep it “healthy”.
I guess that’s the point of the thread after all. How will that junk food affect my body composition? We will see…[/quote]
I think the real point being made is that “who really cares how it directly affects body composition if you gained the most muscle you possibly could AND you didn’t let body fat get out of control”. (I already know how people will twist what I just wrote)
My argument is no, I do not think these people this worried about body comp are gaining the most muscle possible. They may be keeping fat to a minimum (which for many may be the goal in itself…which is fine), but I don’t see the same muscular size increases as someone with the mentality we are speaking of. I also don’t believe for a second that my own body would have accepted the weight I am carrying now as “homeostatic” or “metabolically efficient” if I never forced a very large weight increase and allowed my body to get used to it.
In other words, the people acting as if this is some battle between lazy people and determined people are lost in this thread.
This is about who gets really huge and who doesn’t. You can’t argue with real results…and no one here is talking about getting fat for no reason.[/quote]
x2 If your talking about maximum muscle gain which we were this is spot on
I guess this thread just goes to show that “there are many different ways to skin a cat” lol
People have different training and nutrition views cause there isn’t one way to do things.
[quote]NotaQuitta wrote:
Since we have already established that a good ol’ burger barely qualifies as junk food.
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I cook home made burgers with homemade chips probably once a week-two weeks. I don’t consider that junk food at all.
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To me, fried chicken is as close to healthy eating as junk food gets. Sat fats (good), no processing (good), white meat (good) and delicious (fuckin good).
My girlfriend thinks its disgusting but that don’t stop me from eating a whole box of fried breasts and drumsticks on leg day LOL. By the way, the fried chicken is usually homemade, but often from McDonald’s or the local Deli as well.[/quote]
I wouldn’t “eat a whole box” of fried chicken in a day as a regular thing.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I guess this thread just goes to show that “there are many different ways to skin a cat” lol
People have different training and nutrition views cause there isn’t one way to do things.[/quote]
There never is just one way…but once again, show me the muscle. You’ve made great progress, no doubt. The only question is, could you have gained more muscle. When bulking up, I KNOW I am eating enough to gain. There are no doubts.
I am also shaking my head at anyone who thinks hamburger meat, a bun and some lettuce equals “junk food”.
I am betting no big muscles on someone like that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You’ve made great progress, no doubt.[/quote]
Thanks, appreciate that.
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The only question is, could you have gained more muscle.[/quote]
Possibly? But there’s no way to ever know now lol
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When bulking up, I KNOW I am eating enough to gain. There are no doubts.[/quote]
For sure.
We just have different goals though. At this point I’m not trying to get much bigger TBH. I started having knee issues when I hit 220lbs and have cut back since then. At 5’11" 212-215 I’m feeling a lot better. I’d like to drop a few more lbs of fat and switch that out with a few more lbs of muscle but I don’t ever plan to do another all out gaining phase cause when I’m heavier than I am now I felt my body breaking down… But yeah like I said we have different goals.
I’ll be very happy with a 5’11" 215 physique that’s <10% BF.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also shaking my head at anyone who thinks hamburger meat, a bun and some lettuce equals “junk food”.
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My issue is with the quality of ingridients. Home made burgers are great!
If people don’t even have the goal of being really big…why the defense in this thread?
Why would people content with not pushing the limits be defending a strategy as if it leads to the most muscle gains possible?
^^Youre obviously referring to me…
If someone is 215lbs @ 7% that means they have basically the same LBM as someone who is 240 @ 16% (which seems to be considered an ok BF level)
Both have the same amount of actual muscle… One is just quite a bit “bigger” (fatter) than the other.
I know you don’t like to give out your stats on here so i won’t make any comments on your LBM.
Again… Different goals. I just don’t think gaining quite a bit of fat helps your gain more muscle.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Youre obviously referring to me…
If someone is 215lbs @ 7% that means they have basically the same LBM as someone who is 240 @ 16% (which seems to be considered an ok BF level)
Both have the same amount of actual muscle… One is just quite a bit “bigger” (fatter) than the other.
I know you don’t like to give out your stats on here so i won’t make any comments on your LBM.
Again… Different goals. I just don’t think gaining quite a bit of fat helps your gain more muscle.[/quote]
But, you aren’t 215 at 7% yet…and the approach to reach something like that would be the same as someone looking to be really big…which you don’t seem to be doing.
Interesting. Google “Hormonal Responses to a Fast-Food Meal” and click on the article there by Lyle McDonald where he summarizes some research paper that looked at the different hormonal response between 3 meals. Now this may not be everything, but given the same macros, I can’t imagine grass-fed organic beef vs regular beef makes a hell of a difference.
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My response was also NOT directed at you specifically.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would people content with not pushing the limits be defending…
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Who isn’t pushing the limits? I already said I got up to 220 and started having joint issues. That’s a pretty blatant sign that the limit was pushed and reached a level that needed to be scaled back from. That seems pretty obvious.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would people content with not pushing the limits be defending…
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Who isn’t pushing the limits? I already said I got up to 220 and started having joint issues. That’s a pretty blatant sign that the limit was pushed and reached a level that needed to be scaled back from. That seems pretty obvious.[/quote]
Gee, not speaking to you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^Youre obviously referring to me…
If someone is 215lbs @ 7% that means they have basically the same LBM as someone who is 240 @ 16% (which seems to be considered an ok BF level)
Both have the same amount of actual muscle… One is just quite a bit “bigger” (fatter) than the other.
I know you don’t like to give out your stats on here so i won’t make any comments on your LBM.
Again… Different goals. I just don’t think gaining quite a bit of fat helps your gain more muscle.[/quote]
But, you aren’t 215 at 7% yet…and the approach to reach something like that would be the same as someone looking to be really big…which you don’t seem to be doing.
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I’m lifting hard, eating in a caloric surplus, making strength and size gains… I’m pretty happy with how things are going. It may be a slower approach but this is a marathon not a sprint.
Over the past two months I’ve gotten stronger than I’ve ever been, gotten visibly leaner and my weight has stayed the same. A 2lb loss of fat accompanied by a 2lb gain of muscle is a big difference visually (numbers are for reference)
If I can continue to do that for a few more months I’ll be pretty dang close to my goal. Different approaches I guess
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would people content with not pushing the limits be defending…
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Who isn’t pushing the limits? I already said I got up to 220 and started having joint issues. That’s a pretty blatant sign that the limit was pushed and reached a level that needed to be scaled back from. That seems pretty obvious.[/quote]
Gee, not speaking to you.[/quote]
seemed like you were since I was the only one responding to this thread. Apparently not.
Lol, this thread blew up. And was a pretty horrible read, fml.
Everyone is different, and has different needs.
I tried a looser diet, it doesn’t work for me as well because of a really poor metabolism. I know someone who takes in like 600g of carbs a day, and does so in very extreme forms often times for convenience. That works for him.
I don’t see why anyone would be so offended that a different person has a different method, as long as they’re yielding results. A lot of guys really are more comfortable with carrying around a slightly higher bf% as well. I also don’t see why this is an issue to anyone else.
At the end of the day, eating like someone else or having an eating style is destructive. A person, just like a training template, should figure out which parts of a diet does and does not work for him, and adjust accordingly.
I think the lesson of the thread is that Americans REALLY like their fast food. It’s like getting between a mother and her child.