Eating Chocolates With No Guilt!

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You guys totally miss the point. This may not be directed at you. But by keeping replying it actually serves its purpose of keeping it at the top of the board, so people who are feeling like, ‘I really wanna be big and ripped i’ll do anything…anything’ will actually read this and just stop and think.

You are looking at this discussion with a tunnel vision of yourselves. I comprehend that at the moment you may not be included in this, but there are others.

By you writing things like this, you just put more pressure on people who may be having difficulties balancing life, making them feel week willed.

It is all peer pressure that is doing it. Buy this supplement, buy that, do this do that. It is the same as girls copying celebreties to become size 0. they loose all PERSPECTIVE on life.

So why dont you keep spending hard earned cash on supplements, worship the latest routine and stick to your diet and stop posting. I wanna help some people who are feeling unbalanced at the moment.

Although i’ll stop training in circus gyms with the peer pressure ipod fashion parade. I will still lift at home.i’ve said that all along. Body building has some good points. But in its modern state, its absolutely a train wreck of it’s former self. Even pros admit this.

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Your wife could probably stand to keep going to a gym if she’s a size 8. You must be a pretty ugly guy if that’s the best you could get being shredded and all… Guy’s like you get down to 5% BF because you think it’s going to help you score but forget the all important “don’t be fucking ugly” part.

I’m just saying.[/quote]

I’m pretty fucking ugly from the neck up. Doesn’t stop me from getting the babes.

I’m just saying.

This guy is obviously an overall loser who is bitter about everyone else who succeeds.

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It’s like an annoying person in a club or bar…just ignore the problem and it will go away…he even tells us that. lol

azza30 good luck with your non-bodybuilding life and I don’t mean that in a smart ass way…I’m done replying to you ever, and I hope you leave bodybuilding and this site forever if that’s what you choose.

Gerdy

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
It’s like an annoying person in a club or bar…just ignore the problem and it will go away…he even tells us that. lol

azza30 good luck with your non-bodybuilding life and I don’t mean that in a smart ass way…I’m done replying to you ever, and I hope you leave bodybuilding and this site forever if that’s what you choose.

Gerdy[/quote]

Its a shame we couldn’t debate this topic properly. You do seem intelligent. I hope you don’y fall into the pit ever, but don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. Millions of people waste money, time and effort in persuit of perfection which isn’t really there. To deny this is foolish. As we now live in a completely false world everybody is in denial with something. So If anybody is struggling with why they are bothering to do all this, then tell us and open everyones eyes to it. Nip it in the bud now, and don’t deny it and believe that theyre is some elysium when you finally get where you want.

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For some reason this thread depresses me.

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Yawn. This is a ridiculous thread. There’s a world of middle ground between professional bodybuilding [whether 1970 or 2008] and the lazy, unhealthy, slacker-ass life you seem to have reconciled yourself to. There is NO reason why lifting a couple times a week, a little energy systems work, and eating mostly clean has to ruin your social life or any other facet of life. No reason to shun all supplements. No reason to do half the shit you’re talking about. And, no. You should not be eating chocolate and ice cream on a regular basis whether you care about being a ‘hardcore bodybuilder’ or not.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Yawn. This is a ridiculous thread. There’s a world of middle ground between professional bodybuilding [whether 1970 or 2008] and the lazy, unhealthy, slacker-ass life you seem to have reconciled yourself to. There is NO reason why lifting a couple times a week, a little energy systems work, and eating mostly clean has to ruin your social life or any other facet of life. No reason to shun all supplements. No reason to do half the shit you’re talking about. And, no. You should not be eating chocolate and ice cream on a regular basis whether you care about being a ‘hardcore bodybuilder’ or not.[/quote]

Another one that doesn’t read and remember last posts. I’m gonna train at home. away from the druggies, hairstylists, the ipod wearing drones, the curlers in a squat rack. Boy, you lot are so narrow minded and dont think before you speak or act…are all Americans like this,huh???

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[quote]azza30 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Yawn. This is a ridiculous thread. There’s a world of middle ground between professional bodybuilding [whether 1970 or 2008] and the lazy, unhealthy, slacker-ass life you seem to have reconciled yourself to. There is NO reason why lifting a couple times a week, a little energy systems work, and eating mostly clean has to ruin your social life or any other facet of life. No reason to shun all supplements. No reason to do half the shit you’re talking about. And, no. You should not be eating chocolate and ice cream on a regular basis whether you care about being a ‘hardcore bodybuilder’ or not.

Another one that doesn’t read and remember last posts. I’m gonna train at home. away from the druggies, hairstylists, the ipod wearing drones, the curlers in a squat rack. Boy, you lot are so narrow minded and dont think before you speak or act…are all Americans like this,huh???
[/quote]

After this paragraph, I’m going to have to officially declare troll. I’d recommend no one even wasting any more time with this ignoramus. It’s obviously only here to stir things up, so why are we even humoring it? (I say it because no person can actually be that fucking stupid.)

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I don’t get it. Join this site last month to tell us all you’re quitting. Well get a gun, quit.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Your wife could probably stand to keep going to a gym if she’s a size 8. You must be a pretty ugly guy if that’s the best you could get being shredded and all… Guy’s like you get down to 5% BF because you think it’s going to help you score but forget the all important “don’t be fucking ugly” part.

I’m just saying.

I’m pretty fucking ugly from the neck up. Doesn’t stop me from getting the babes.

I’m just saying.

This guy is obviously an overall loser who is bitter about everyone else who succeeds.[/quote]

Huge difference between getting ass and getting quality ass…

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[quote]azza30 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Yawn. This is a ridiculous thread. There’s a world of middle ground between professional bodybuilding [whether 1970 or 2008] and the lazy, unhealthy, slacker-ass life you seem to have reconciled yourself to. There is NO reason why lifting a couple times a week, a little energy systems work, and eating mostly clean has to ruin your social life or any other facet of life. No reason to shun all supplements. No reason to do half the shit you’re talking about. And, no. You should not be eating chocolate and ice cream on a regular basis whether you care about being a ‘hardcore bodybuilder’ or not.

Another one that doesn’t read and remember last posts. I’m gonna train at home. away from the druggies, hairstylists, the ipod wearing drones, the curlers in a squat rack. Boy, you lot are so narrow minded and dont think before you speak or act…are all Americans like this,huh???
[/quote]

Ok so what exactly are you having issues with? You seem to be contradicting yourself on almost every turn. None of the people reading this thread are “druggies”, “hairstylists”, or “Ipod wearing drones” so who exactly are your rants geared towards?

I am willing to be open to your opinion but so far everything you have said has been less than impressive. You say give up the lifestyle but then say you are going to continue it by half-assing it at home. What’s the point? We don’t have tunnel vision- you do since all you see is the negative side to lifting.

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Ok wow… this thread explains so much.

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2071939

Just because you are lost, have no friends, live with your mother-in-law instead of being independent doesn’t mean that the pursuit of physical fitness is to blame.

I am married with three kids, make well over 6 figures, am dreadfully happy almost 99% of the time, yet I still can manage to keep up this unhealthy lifestyle of being healthy without it controlling my life.

It is not our fault you cannot. So seriously just go away already. You will not be able to drag anyone else down with you.

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EDIT:cuz i accidentally quoted some of his stuff and THEN summarized it as well. redundant.

What is so weird about this is that 99% of what he’s saying is stuff that I and many others on this site woudl agree with, but hten he uses it to come to a radically different conclusion than we would come up with.

He’s saying he hates the poseurs at commercial gyms, hates that kids get started in this wanting an advanced program without laying the base, allow themselves to get stuck on details and because of all this he’s going to train at home with the basics and supplement it with physical work. So far so good.

He says somethings that some may not agree with - no supps except pwo, drug dens are terrible, and you cant aspire to look like ronnie or jay.

But honestly, my supplement schedule doesnt tighten up until I’m 2-3 months out from a contest, and even then I’m really only taking beta alanine, creatine and bcaas. I know plenty of my friends who use aas, but if he’s talking about teh guys who put more effort into designing a cycle than they do in the weightroom I could understand that.

And how many people here have an actual goal of looking like ronnie or jay or having 4% bodyfat. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with having that as a goal, but he’s not the only one on this site who’s decided that that’s not feasible or desirable.

So there you have a lot that you can agree with, but from that he takes that bodybuilding is terrible and unhealthy and an obsession? I really dont see the leap in logic. Very weird.

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and i wonder why most wanted a T-Cell… sigh… less wasted time in the cell… soon i won’t be participating at all in forum discussion simply because i just read the T-Cell forums and some of my favorite logs

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

<<What is so weird about this is that 99% of what he’s saying is stuff that I and many others on this site woudl agree with, but hten he uses it to come to a radically different conclusion than we would come up with. He’s saying he hates the poseurs at commercial gyms, hates that kids get started in this wanting an advanced program without laying the base, allow themselves to get stuck on details and because of all this he’s going to train at home with the basics and supplement it with physical work. So far so good. [/quote]

Agreed.

azza, from the beginning of this thread and your other thread, the picture I get is that you obsessively pursued a lean physique mainly to get admiration from OTHER PEOPLE. So the reasons bodybuilding has not been rewarding for you are that

  1. you weren’t doing it for yourself, and
  2. you ignored other important things in life and are now paying the price.

If you’re going to get satisfaction from recreational bodybuilding, you’ve got to do it for yourself. Most of the general population (at least where I live in southern CA) have an inexplicable aversion to muscle. Lots of people are going to think you are crazy and look “gross” at 6% BF.

Yet in the bodybuilding world you might not be admired either, because in that world you might not be big enough or lean enough. So do it for yourself. To whatever extent it is rewarding for you.

And it’s not necessary to sacrifice all social life and gainful employment to pursue bodybuilding goals.

Honestly, your tone sounds like that of someone who is depressed. In major depression, a common symptom is to see everything as pointless, meaningless, and unrewarding. One sees everyone else as blind not to see that there’s no point in going wherever they’re going, doing whatever they’re doing.

You’ve been through a lot with the cancer, I am sure. It is too bad you didn’t tell anyone because people are SOOOOOOO sympathetic and supportive of cancer victims and survivors.

But it’s not too late. It’s not too late to tell people in your life what you’ve been through, to get support where you need it, to change your life.

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To the OP:

Why are you letting what everyone else does effect your outlook on working out and living the healthy lifestyle. No one is forcing you to follow insanely strict dieting, training, and supplement regimines and no one is forcing you to pay attention to what other people do in the gym. You should be focusing on what YOU are doing, not the moron talking on the cell phone and doing curls while standing on one leg on a bosu ball. If your gym is full of jackasses, ignore them or try to get to the gym at times when there are less of them there.

Furthermore, if the information in the articles on this site leads to confusion, don’t f**king read them. No one is making you, and thats not a reason to abandon such a good resource. The forums are still a great place to ask advice and share experiences and insights about the sport(s) we all love. Quit making yourself into a victim and just do your own damn thing.

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[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Quit making yourself into (the) victim[/quote]

Seconded.

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Hah. Thanks, didn’t catch that mistake.

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[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Hah. Thanks, didn’t catch that mistake.[/quote]

S’Ok, the meaning was there. I wish I’d said it first.

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long time no write. As i said i have no access to a computer permanently. Read all the posts added since and its very intriguing. We’ve had fantastic weather here, so I’ve done all my training in the garden at home this week. Its been great. Left behind all the reasons i believe bodybuilding is now a circus, and got back to real basics. Cos I haven’t dieted as such, I have been able to have a very good physical week at work, probably the hardest i’ve ever worked. The week flew by. And yes i trained hard as well. But at work, i eat pretty clean anyway, fish, meat, veg, whey, nuts. I find that i don’t get that drowsy carbo feeling and not able to work well.

Had good food yesterday, large grill, rice pitta, and i deserved it.

I am going to train in garden again today, Trap Bar Deadlift 8 X3/4, Chin ups 5 x 5, Dumbell Rows DC style. Shrugs and some rear delts. I’m gonna sweat my ass of, tan up and train hard, muscle beach style. Then i’ll have a recovery drink (not Surge, but reflex growth matrix) then round to my turkish friends for a bbq. Fantastic.

Isn’t this a healthy balance? I’ve had quite a bit of stick on this debate, but I am open minded and have thought about it. I think i’ve just about got it where i want it now. I won’t diet heavily this year and i’m gonna enjoy this summer.

I still believe what i’ve said is true, maybe its come over wrong some times. But I truly believe we need to reverse bodybuilding. From the top. Back to 70’s. Camaraderie, fun, lifting proper weights, basic equipment, GYM RULES that are adhered to: NO phones, ipods, lap tops, coffee shops, curling in a squat rack, prancing about, hair manipulating etc etc. Then get some good gyms going again. Without the persuit of freaky mass by reversing the winners at the top, AAS and the likes won’t need to be so prevailant in our good gyms. Lets clean it up sort it out.

C’mon what do you all think?