Eating Big While Staying Lean

Diet and Nutrition
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[quote]Artem wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Artem wrote:
I’ve heard that it is possible to make your body switch over from burning Carbs for energy to burning Fat to energy. How exactly do you do this? Do you need to eat a lot of Fat for a while until your body adjusts to using Fat for energy and then you can ease off of so much Fat?

I’ve also heard that if you eat mostly Protein and not many Carbs or Fat, then your body may switch over to burning Protein for energy, which would be bad…

I try to eat very few Carbs and mostly Fat and Protein, but I don’t think that my body is burning Fat for energy because my body fat percentage isn’t too low yet. This may sound very stupid, but if I understand how the body selects what to take energy from properly, would doing something like drinking Olive Oil for a few weeks, in addition to your usual diet, make the body burn fat for fuel?

long story short: Is it possible to eat big (caloric excess) while staying lean?
Thank you,

So you want to eat a lot with no weight gain? Or are you looking to do a “(c)lean bulk”? Or do you want to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?

Do one or the other. Eat to get bigger, or eat to lose fat. When you try to do both you are really setting yourself up for minimal progress.

Well, I’ve always had this tiny bit of fat that is just enough to cover my abs and it never goes away, no matter how clean I eat. I recently calculated my calories for the first time and found out that I was eating a very clean 1100 calories a day.

I’ve decided to start eating a ton more and that I don’t really have much to lose since I don’t have abs as it is. I’m training really hard 5-6 days a week, so I’m hoping that most of it will go towards muscle gains. Still though, I’m just trying to think of how to minimize fat gains in comparison to muscle gains.
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eating more: good job.

i can’t give any information on your question i don’t believe. all i know is when someone is in a very low carb diet and they start burning fat for energy its ketogenic; but at your weight unless your a pigmy; you don’t need that.

if your training “very hard” for 10-12hrs a week, you better be eating A FCKING LOT as well as sleeping A FCKING LOT or you won’t recover and therefore won’t make any progress.

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[quote]B rocK wrote:
Artem wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Artem wrote:
I’ve heard that it is possible to make your body switch over from burning Carbs for energy to burning Fat to energy. How exactly do you do this? Do you need to eat a lot of Fat for a while until your body adjusts to using Fat for energy and then you can ease off of so much Fat?

I’ve also heard that if you eat mostly Protein and not many Carbs or Fat, then your body may switch over to burning Protein for energy, which would be bad…

I try to eat very few Carbs and mostly Fat and Protein, but I don’t think that my body is burning Fat for energy because my body fat percentage isn’t too low yet. This may sound very stupid, but if I understand how the body selects what to take energy from properly, would doing something like drinking Olive Oil for a few weeks, in addition to your usual diet, make the body burn fat for fuel?

long story short: Is it possible to eat big (caloric excess) while staying lean?
Thank you,

So you want to eat a lot with no weight gain? Or are you looking to do a “(c)lean bulk”? Or do you want to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?

Do one or the other. Eat to get bigger, or eat to lose fat. When you try to do both you are really setting yourself up for minimal progress.

Well, I’ve always had this tiny bit of fat that is just enough to cover my abs and it never goes away, no matter how clean I eat. I recently calculated my calories for the first time and found out that I was eating a very clean 1100 calories a day.

I’ve decided to start eating a ton more and that I don’t really have much to lose since I don’t have abs as it is. I’m training really hard 5-6 days a week, so I’m hoping that most of it will go towards muscle gains. Still though, I’m just trying to think of how to minimize fat gains in comparison to muscle gains.

eating more: good job.

i can’t give any information on your question i don’t believe. all i know is when someone is in a very low carb diet and they start burning fat for energy its ketogenic; but at your weight unless your a pigmy; you don’t need that.

if your training “very hard” for 10-12hrs a week, you better be eating A FCKING LOT as well as sleeping A FCKING LOT or you won’t recover and therefore won’t make any progress.[/quote]

While it’s true that no one needs to be fat adapted, or on a low-carbs diet, I’ve found starting the AD has helped me quite a bit, even at a piddling 150 pounds. It’s much easier to get high amounts of protein in when you’re not eating carbs as well, and I find I enjoy eating like this better than eating carbs all the time. It’s certainly not neccesary, but it’s not detrimental, by any means.

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[quote]Artem wrote:
I didn’t say anything about cutting. I actually said that I’m going to start eating a lot more. I didn’t know that I was eating so few calories, but I was eating mostly very lean meat that didn’t have too many calories, I guess.

Again, I’m training for 1-2 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. I’m trying to eat a lot more. I was just asking about this fat for energy thing that I’ve read about.[/quote]

I kept seeing “abs” pop up in your post so I assumed that was what you wanted.

If you really want some help here, I would post your diet and your workout plan.

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Ok for your original query about Fat-burning metabolisms:
The diet is the Anabolic Diet.
You eat 30gm of Carbs a day for 12 days (start) then go to a routine of 5 days @ 30 gm of carbs and 36-48 hours of high carbs.
The initial 12 days are tough for most and thats what induces fat burning. You probably can eat a lot more on the AD since a higher protein diet makes your body work harder at using the food (Berardi).

If you do it, stick with it for a min 4-6 months religiously.
It’s quite fun (eg: eggs, all meats, almonds, salami, spinach, mushrooms, cheese are my standards)and carb-ups are of good cereals, rice, veggies, mom’s food (yummm)etc. and whatever else i may want. Stop the load when you get smooth
Basic Premise: In the absence of Carbs your body uses the next best fuel i.e. fat.

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P.S.
this is a helpful hint i found once:
Your body uses what you feed it the most.
Cals intake → decides weight gain/loss
Macros → what you gain or lose

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[quote]Evil1 wrote:
Ok for your original query about Fat-burning metabolisms:

The diet is the Anabolic Diet.
You eat 30gm of Carbs a day for 12 days (start) then go to a routine of 5 days @ 30 gm of carbs and 36-48 hours of high carbs.
The initial 12 days are tough for most and thats what induces fat burning. You probably can eat a lot more on the AD since a higher protein diet makes your body work harder at using the food (Berardi).

If you do it, stick with it for a min 4-6 months religiously. It’s quite fun (eg: eggs, all meats, almonds, salami, spinach, mushrooms, cheese are my standards)and carb-ups are of good cereals, rice, veggies, mom’s food (yummm)etc. and whatever else i may want. Stop the load when you get smooth

Basic Premise: In the absence of Carbs your body uses the next best fuel i.e. fat. [/quote]

This is all well and good, but for one, no one skinny needs to be concerned with this, and two, some people simply respond better to more carbohydrates in terms of muscle gained and strength.

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I am not going to pass judgement here as I understand that different people have different goals. To specifically answer your question I would implement the following: You will basically have 3 types of days
1.) 70%fat 30% protein carbs(trace)
2.) 50%fat 50%protein
3.) 40%protein 30%carbs 30%fat (iso-diet)

week 1
your days would go type:
1,1,1,2,2,2,3

week 2
1,1,1,2,2,3,3

week 3
1,1,2,2,2,3,3

week 4
1,1,2,2,3,3,3

This is based on Thib’s regressive ketogenic diet and should work well, hope that helps.

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Im a fan of eating food (roughly measure your cals) with a goal in mind. Example: 3,000cals. Eat that much for a week or so. Assess your progress, adjust if needed. No one here is going to KNOW for a fact what the hell is going to happen to YOUR body with any diet plan. Not gaining any muscle/weight, eat more. Gaining to much fat and/or weight, eat less. Only gaining fat, wtf are you eating/doing in the gym. Not to sound rude, but figure it out on your own, learn your own body.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Evil1 wrote:
Ok for your original query about Fat-burning metabolisms:

The diet is the Anabolic Diet.
You eat 30gm of Carbs a day for 12 days (start) then go to a routine of 5 days @ 30 gm of carbs and 36-48 hours of high carbs.
The initial 12 days are tough for most and thats what induces fat burning. You probably can eat a lot more on the AD since a higher protein diet makes your body work harder at using the food (Berardi).

If you do it, stick with it for a min 4-6 months religiously. It’s quite fun (eg: eggs, all meats, almonds, salami, spinach, mushrooms, cheese are my standards)and carb-ups are of good cereals, rice, veggies, mom’s food (yummm)etc. and whatever else i may want. Stop the load when you get smooth

Basic Premise: In the absence of Carbs your body uses the next best fuel i.e. fat.

This is all well and good, but for one, no one skinny needs to be concerned with this, and two, some people simply respond better to more carbohydrates in terms of muscle gained and strength.

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I know…but i just noticed that noone had answered his question yet so i thought i might.

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Don’t take my word for it but from what I gather from multiple sources here goes.

Your body will always PREFER to use glucose as energy. So even if your fat adapted if you get a surge of sugar it’s going to prefer to use that until it runs out for energy.

The consensus for the quickest and surest way to become fat adapted is to fast for 24 hours then eat fat and protein. Clinically the length of time has been shorter, but to try and guarentee Everyone will be there they say 24 hours. What your talking about is the foundation for the Ketogenic diet. Just look that up.

Your body uses protein for energy sometimes, in the case that you have NO FAT, and GLUCOSE stores are completely empty then your body will be in a STATE where it uses only protein for energy. If you’re here, your in an extremely unhealthy state and I would have to assume your eating mostly protein/w only water shakes, and all 98% lean meats, because anything else will have some kind of fat in it. In general at some point in time throughout the day your body is going to use all 3 as energy if you eat a balanced diet just protein will be minimal, and carbs will be preferential. If you eat NO carbs eventually your body will go into a fat adapted state, even without the fast just may take a little longer.

YOU, should not be worried about applying any of this information. Bulking, in particular muscle bulding requires all 3 for the body to operate in an optimal state. The last statement will be argued by low-carb lovers, but I have yet to see anybody build a noticable amount of muscle without carbs. While it’s true protein builds muscle and you can use fat for energy, you still have to worry about hormone balance and ahost of other applications (immune system and such).

Problem with fat ass america is that there is a carb overdose caused by soda, ice cream, and pastries. Of course a low carb diet would help most of them, because that would require them to pretty much take out all of the above.

As far as your little lower ab pocket, it maybe just be your body type (Depending on how big this pocket is that your talking about). Which case it will be much less prominent if you gain a ton of muscle. You can lose it for some time but it’s likely to come back unless you live your life ultra strict. Your best bet would be to use a supplement combined with a diet to get your bodyfat down.

Based on your stats however you just need to lift weights and eat.