Eat More, Die Sooner?

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
JaX Un wrote:

guys, i think we are screwed. well, not me, but some of you guys might want to update your will

damn!!! that’s a real eye opener. I was gonna eat a big hamburger right now but fuck that shit.

NOW I’M GONNA EAT TWO!!! cause I’m a fucking real man![/quote]

I’m quoting myself to say that I ate 2 big ass burgers. The original plan was turkey burgers But then I realized that I was way to much man for turkey, so I ate two big ass duck burgers instead. This was just to show y’all how much man I am.

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I’ll be honest that I don’t have the link the study but my bioteacher showed us an article in molecular biology last semester concerning caloric restriction and longevity based on rats. It did work, however, in order to get the results the calories were so low that the rats were emaciated and it wouldn’t transfer over to humans very well unless we wanted to live on 800 calories a day. Seems like bunk to me…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gregus wrote:
matko5 wrote:
And about the guy who eats 2000 calorie. I doubt he looks like I want to look, and I would rather live 70-maybe 80 years like this, than a 110 like him.

Let’s see if you say that at 55 years old.

Are you serious? Most of us on this forum will be dead before 80 no matter what we do. Most will probably also die of either unnatural causes (like a car crash) or drastic illness that can not be predicted (like cancer).

If anyone on this planet is alive for longer than 10 years and is still under the delusion that they will live forever, then they probably don’t deserve to live that long.

Your argument is sort of like those who claim, “you’ll be sorry you got that tattoo when you turn 65!!”. Well gee, there is a whole lot of living to be done before then so if you are living your life trying to save yourself for over 60, then you aren’t really living.[/quote]

Nope i disagree. It was a valid analogy and a good one. I used it because not everyone acts like it does not matter what you do in your youth. It does matter.

Stuffing your body with huge amounts of food puts a strain on all the organs and everything has to work that much harder and gets used up. Just like joints and ligaments of runners and basketball players. Everything gets used up. For big time healthy food eaters It may start with gal bladder problems, perhaps some kidney stones etc etc…

So i would gladly eat less, be leaner, and live a life that’s healthier and keeps me more active into my 60’s and 70’s. It’s common sense. I have family members in their 60’s that are in better shape then most 35 year olds with active and sharp minds that can play hard court tennis for 4 hours straight. So i don’t know how your outlook is on older age but it’s apparent that it’s bleak.

You can be 60 with type 2 diabetes, bypass, worn out hips, knees and on oxygen OR a 60 year old like Jack Lalanne was. You seem to have envisioned your 60’s, lol. BTW: tattoos are fine and don’t fit in this debate. Analogy = fail.

The real reason it irks you is that this article is exactly the polar opposite of what you do in your daily life and profess for others to do as well. You eat large quantities of natural food. You force your body to grow and stress it. Yes it’s adaptation gives you the nice muscles you have now, but make no mistake. There is nothing healthy about the BB lifestyle. This info in fact tells you that your very lifestyle is shortening your life and you don’t like it. You are biased.

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[quote]fireflyz wrote:
I’ll be honest that I don’t have the link the study but my bioteacher showed us an article in molecular biology last semester concerning caloric restriction and longevity based on rats. It did work, however, in order to get the results the calories were so low that the rats were emaciated and it wouldn’t transfer over to humans very well unless we wanted to live on 800 calories a day. Seems like bunk to me…[/quote]

It’s not. I was stumbled upon during the biodome experiments. All human participants showed showed blood markers for increased lifespan. The diet does not have to be abysmally low in calories. It should also be full of only the highest quality natural organic foods.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gregus wrote:
matko5 wrote:
And about the guy who eats 2000 calorie. I doubt he looks like I want to look, and I would rather live 70-maybe 80 years like this, than a 110 like him.

Let’s see if you say that at 55 years old.

Are you serious? Most of us on this forum will be dead before 80 no matter what we do. Most will probably also die of either unnatural causes (like a car crash) or drastic illness that can not be predicted (like cancer).

If anyone on this planet is alive for longer than 10 years and is still under the delusion that they will live forever, then they probably don’t deserve to live that long.

Your argument is sort of like those who claim, “you’ll be sorry you got that tattoo when you turn 65!!”. Well gee, there is a whole lot of living to be done before then so if you are living your life trying to save yourself for over 60, then you aren’t really living.

Nope i disagree. It was a valid analogy and a good one. I used it because not everyone acts like it does not matter what you do in your youth. It does matter.

Stuffing your body with huge amounts of food puts a strain on all the organs and everything has to work that much harder and gets used up. Just like joints and ligaments of runners and basketball players. Everything gets used up. For big time healthy food eaters It may start with gal bladder problems, perhaps some kidney stones etc etc…

So i would gladly eat less, be leaner, and live a life that’s healthier and keeps me more active into my 60’s and 70’s. It’s common sense. I have family members in their 60’s that are in better shape then most 35 year olds with active and sharp minds that can play hard court tennis for 4 hours straight. So i don’t know how your outlook is on older age but it’s apparent that it’s bleak.

You can be 60 with type 2 diabetes, bypass, worn out hips, knees and on oxygen OR a 60 year old like Jack Lalanne was. You seem to have envisioned your 60’s, lol. BTW: tattoos are fine and don’t fit in this debate. Analogy = fail.

The real reason it irks you is that this article is exactly the polar opposite of what you do in your daily life and profess for others to do as well. You eat large quantities of natural food. You force your body to grow and stress it. Yes it’s adaptation gives you the nice muscles you have now, but make no mistake. There is nothing healthy about the BB lifestyle. This info in fact tells you that your very lifestyle is shortening your life and you don’t like it. You are biased. [/quote]

Irks me? I didn’t even read the article. I doubt there is anything new in it that hasn’t been researched several times before. I also know most people are not dying before 60 because they are into bodybuilding or because they are big. Their entire lifestyle is the greatest factor and many of these guys do things that are considerably more unhealthy than just eating more food.

I don’t sit around worrying about whether I will live to be 80. I could die this afternoon on the way home from work. That’s life and there isn’t shit you can do about it unless you lock yourself in an airtight bubble and avoid all risk in your life.

If that type of mentality suits you, great. It does not suit me and I am not exactly in fear of death. It is simply a part of life. If anything, the knowledge that I will not be here forever drives me to get more shit done right now.

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It’s a dumb idea pushed by theoretical junk science. Want to live longer? Look into TA65.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Nope i disagree. It was a valid analogy and a good one. I used it because not everyone acts like it does not matter what you do in your youth. It does matter.

Stuffing your body with huge amounts of food puts a strain on all the organs and everything has to work that much harder and gets used up. Just like joints and ligaments of runners and basketball players. Everything gets used up. For big time healthy food eaters It may start with gal bladder problems, perhaps some kidney stones etc etc…

So i would gladly eat less, be leaner, and live a life that’s healthier and keeps me more active into my 60’s and 70’s. It’s common sense. I have family members in their 60’s that are in better shape then most 35 year olds with active and sharp minds that can play hard court tennis for 4 hours straight. So i don’t know how your outlook is on older age but it’s apparent that it’s bleak.

You can be 60 with type 2 diabetes, bypass, worn out hips, knees and on oxygen OR a 60 year old like Jack Lalanne was. You seem to have envisioned your 60’s, lol. BTW: tattoos are fine and don’t fit in this debate. Analogy = fail.

The real reason it irks you is that this article is exactly the polar opposite of what you do in your daily life and profess for others to do as well. You eat large quantities of natural food. You force your body to grow and stress it. Yes it’s adaptation gives you the nice muscles you have now, but make no mistake. There is nothing healthy about the BB lifestyle. This info in fact tells you that your very lifestyle is shortening your life and you don’t like it. You are biased. [/quote]

you seem like you’re so worried about the future, you can’t enjoy the present.

take a chill pill, have a beer, and enjoy life. you only get one go around anyways.

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I think that planning your old age now is kind of pointless, wouldn’t you say? As ProfX nicely put it, you could be hit by a car tommorrow, and where does all your planning go?

I’d rather be on my deathbed at 60 looking back and seeing a good, happy life I wanted instead putting that away for a few years prolonging my death and in that period I can’t do the things I could have done if I ate big and healthy young.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Nope i disagree. It was a valid analogy and a good one. I used it because not everyone acts like it does not matter what you do in your youth. It does matter.

Stuffing your body with huge amounts of food puts a strain on all the organs and everything has to work that much harder and gets used up. Just like joints and ligaments of runners and basketball players. Everything gets used up. For big time healthy food eaters It may start with gal bladder problems, perhaps some kidney stones etc etc…

So i would gladly eat less, be leaner, and live a life that’s healthier and keeps me more active into my 60’s and 70’s. It’s common sense. I have family members in their 60’s that are in better shape then most 35 year olds with active and sharp minds that can play hard court tennis for 4 hours straight. So i don’t know how your outlook is on older age but it’s apparent that it’s bleak.

You can be 60 with type 2 diabetes, bypass, worn out hips, knees and on oxygen OR a 60 year old like Jack Lalanne was. You seem to have envisioned your 60’s, lol. BTW: tattoos are fine and don’t fit in this debate. Analogy = fail.

The real reason it irks you is that this article is exactly the polar opposite of what you do in your daily life and profess for others to do as well. You eat large quantities of natural food. You force your body to grow and stress it. Yes it’s adaptation gives you the nice muscles you have now, but make no mistake. There is nothing healthy about the BB lifestyle. This info in fact tells you that your very lifestyle is shortening your life and you don’t like it. You are biased.

you seem like you’re so worried about the future, you can’t enjoy the present.

take a chill pill, have a beer, and enjoy life. you only get one go around anyways.[/quote]

True.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

So i would gladly eat less, be leaner, and live a life that’s healthier and keeps me more active into my 60’s and 70’s. It’s common sense. I have family members in their 60’s that are in better shape then most 35 year olds with active and sharp minds that can play hard court tennis for 4 hours straight. So i don’t know how your outlook is on older age but it’s apparent that it’s bleak.

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Come on, I don’t think you really want to look like the guy michael that was described in the article I referenced earlier. Think about how much you’d weigh at a BMI of 15.6 (he was 6 ft, 115 lbs)! I can’t imagine how weak and useless I’d be at that weight (I’m 6 ft). Can you imagine coming down with the flu in that condition?

As noted on Wikipedia, there are still many theories as to the actual mechanism that allows calorie restriction to work:

Why might CR increase longevity?

and it was even pointed out earlier that staying lean was one of those possible mechanisms:

Calorie Restriction Increases Life Span: A Molecular Mechanism
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/405872/calorie_restriction_increases_life_span_a_molecular_mechanism/index.html

Not sure how you’d get monkeys to bulk and cut, but it would be interesting to see a study that investigated the lifestyle of a natural bodybuilder vs the average joe and the calorie restricted.

In the end, it’s your life to do with as you please. No one really cares if you want to restrict your calories or not. If you think the potential benefits are worth the costs, go ahead. I’d rather have the strength to carry my grandkids around on my shoulders someday, than to be worrying they’ll break my bones if they jump on me. :slight_smile:

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[quote]matko5 wrote:
I think that planning your old age now is kind of pointless, wouldn’t you say? As ProfX nicely put it, you could be hit by a car tommorrow, and where does all your planning go?

I’d rather be on my deathbed at 60 looking back and seeing a good, happy life I wanted instead putting that away for a few years prolonging my death and in that period I can’t do the things I could have done if I ate big and healthy young.[/quote]

im 21, so… It wouldn’t be smart to set up a retirement account??

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[quote]nomorewar wrote:
matko5 wrote:
I think that planning your old age now is kind of pointless, wouldn’t you say? As ProfX nicely put it, you could be hit by a car tommorrow, and where does all your planning go?

I’d rather be on my deathbed at 60 looking back and seeing a good, happy life I wanted instead putting that away for a few years prolonging my death and in that period I can’t do the things I could have done if I ate big and healthy young.

im 21, so… It wouldn’t be smart to set up a retirement account?? [/quote]

Why are you trolling?

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In regards to the article posted, they mentioned 2 methods for the monkeys: eat a calorie restricted diet (based on BMR?), and the others to eat whatever.

Obviously the monkeys that can eat whatever they want are going to get out of hand and NOT outlive the “healthier” monkeys. You give one monkey a piece of fruit he eats it. You give the other monkey the option of fruit or a Hostess cake, what do you think he is going to eat? Probably both. And so should you, you frail SOB! (ha)

Also, the oldest monkey they have is 29, with an AVERAGE life expectancy of 27? Huge outlier there. No phenomenally conclusive result there.

This is simply debating the effect of lower bf on lifespan like was mentioned earlier. The experiment was flawed…

At any rate, I would prefer to live a fun, fullfiling life rather than look back and be like “Well, I didnt do much, but at least I was safe and never got hurt”

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
matko5 wrote:
And about the guy who eats 2000 calorie. I doubt he looks like I want to look, and I would rather live 70-maybe 80 years like this, than a 110 like him.

Let’s see if you say that at 55 years old. [/quote]

As luck would have it…:wink:

I’m 55 and I stay very lean, at 250 lbs and 6’7". I do the Warrior Diet, which is easily the best diet for the majority of men. The WD allows me to eat obscene amounts of food at my evening meal, just underfeed all day. Combine modern health/dental care, clean water, with a low stress lifestyle (high school teaching, for me), + the Warrior Diet, and you get the best of possible worlds.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
In regards to the article posted, they mentioned 2 methods for the monkeys: eat a calorie restricted diet (based on BMR?), and the others to eat whatever.

Obviously the monkeys that can eat whatever they want are going to get out of hand and NOT outlive the “healthier” monkeys. You give one monkey a piece of fruit he eats it. You give the other monkey the option of fruit or a Hostess cake, what do you think he is going to eat? Probably both. And so should you, you frail SOB! (ha)

Also, the oldest monkey they have is 29, with an AVERAGE life expectancy of 27? Huge outlier there. No phenomenally conclusive result there.

This is simply debating the effect of lower bf on lifespan like was mentioned earlier. The experiment was flawed…

At any rate, I would prefer to live a fun, fullfiling life rather than look back and be like “Well, I didnt do much, but at least I was safe and never got hurt”[/quote]

All you will have on your death bed is memories. I would sure as hell hate for mine to simply involve not eating much and avoiding all risk just so I could outlive everybody I ever cared about.

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This was covered in an article on this very site:

No need to become an emaciated husk of a human being too weak and shriveled to shuffle out to the mailbox just to live a little longer.

My question would be, what do these calorie restriction people intend to do about sarcopenia?

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[quote]conorh wrote:
This was covered in an article on this very site:

No need to become an emaciated husk of a human being too weak and shriveled to shuffle out to the mailbox just to live a little longer.

My question would be, what do these calorie restriction people intend to do about sarcopenia?[/quote]

Why would you need legs when you have those beautiful electric wheelchairs?! DOH!

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[quote]matko5 wrote:
I think that planning your old age now is kind of pointless, wouldn’t you say? As ProfX nicely put it, you could be hit by a car tommorrow, and where does all your planning go?
[/quote]

Isn’t this the logic smokers, drug users, alcoholics and the obese use to justify their self-satisfying behaviors?

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[quote]abcd1234 wrote:
matko5 wrote:
I think that planning your old age now is kind of pointless, wouldn’t you say? As ProfX nicely put it, you could be hit by a car tommorrow, and where does all your planning go?

Isn’t this the logic smokers, drug users, alcoholics and the obese use to justify their self-satisfying behaviors? [/quote]

Go big or go home?

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[quote]X7502 wrote:
Life is about quality not quantity.[/quote]

How about muscles?