[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I give up, lol. I get it, sometimes people think the answer to life’s questions have to be complicated, sometimes the easiest explanation is all that is needed.
critical thinking is a thing of the past[/quote]
What do you mean? Do you think I’m making this more complicated than it needs to be? Because I’d say its a pretty complicated subject.
Sure saying a gorilla is a gorilla is a smartass thing to say but it really doesn’t contribute anything to the question.
A gorilla has the genetics to get big and strong, sure, but genetics are simply the instructions for building their body. You still need calories and protein, even with the best genetics in the world.
No one is arguing that gorillas shouldn’t be able to be as big as they are, just wondering how they do it? Nor is anyone arguing that humans should be able to accomplish what gorillas can.
[quote]furo wrote:
The OP wasn’t advocating that we follow the gorilla diet, he was simply asking why gorillas can become so strong on it when it seems to fly in the face of all we are taught about gaining size and strength. I don’t see how that’s retarded.[/quote]
Asking why one species can’t develop the same traits as a different species is flawed thinking from the start. It’s simply not as cut and dry as “why won’t we get big like them if we eat like them.” That would be like trying to breathe like fish by spending all day underwater. ‘If we act like them, we’ll become more like them.’ No.
As shown in the picture above, the tremendous difference in limb length and bone structure, plus the related difference in muscle/tendon attachments, has tons more to do with why gorillas are so much stronger than humans.
If BigRedMachine had asked something like, “Why do you see native tribesmen with abs on National Geographic when they have a plant or grain-based diet without a reliable quality protein source”, then the discussion could’ve started off on the right foot and we wouldn’t be busting his balls for a dozen posts already.
The question has already been answered by Michael. Gorillas absorb more from plants than we do but more specifically they absorb a lot more protein from plant sources than we are capable of.
Just want to point out that Gorillas bone structure has indeed a lot to do with how strong they are, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are about 200kg of muscle. You need protein to do that and they get that from plants… we don’t.
[quote]furo wrote:
The OP wasn’t advocating that we follow the gorilla diet, he was simply asking why gorillas can become so strong on it when it seems to fly in the face of all we are taught about gaining size and strength. I don’t see how that’s retarded.[/quote]
Asking why one species can’t develop the same traits as a different species is flawed thinking from the start. It’s simply not as cut and dry as “why won’t we get big like them if we eat like them.” That would be like trying to breathe like fish by spending all day underwater. ‘If we act like them, we’ll become more like them.’ No.
As shown in the picture above, the tremendous difference in limb length and bone structure, plus the related difference in muscle/tendon attachments, has tons more to do with why gorillas are so much stronger than humans.
If BigRedMachine had asked something like, “Why do you see native tribesmen with abs on National Geographic when they have a plant or grain-based diet without a reliable quality protein source”, then the discussion could’ve started off on the right foot and we wouldn’t be busting his balls for a dozen posts already.[/quote]
Yeah I understand what you mean. But none of that explains why they have bigger and stronger muscles than us on their diet. Joints, bones and tendons don’t come into that.
To be honest I think this question was answered by Michael Crehan at the start of the thread, but everyone ignored his post in a rush to make smartass comments about whales and elephants.
I also think Michael Crehans answer gave some credit to the question, proving it to be a reasonable one with an interesting answer.
[quote]furo wrote:
Yeah I understand what you mean. But none of that explains why they have bigger muscles than us on their diet. Joints, bones and tendons don’t come into that.
To be honest I think this question was answered by Michael Crehan at the start of the thread, but everyone ignored his post in a rush to make smartass comments about whales and elephants.
I also think Michael Crehans answer gave some credit to the question, proving it to be a reasonable one with an interesting answer.[/quote]
The biggest difference is genetic and hormonal and not just changes in our digestive tract. This is about biological adaptation…which does not allow it to be used to discuss why one species can look like this by doing that and we can’t. We have to acknowledge the basic fact that different species have different biological systems. Reducing that to only one or two differences is way too simplistic.
Yeah I understand what you mean. But none of that explains why they have bigger muscles than us on their diet. Joints, bones and tendons don’t come into that.
To be honest I think this question was answered by Michael Crehan at the start of the thread, but everyone ignored his post in a rush to make smartass comments about whales and elephants.
I also think Michael Crehans answer gave some credit to the question, proving it to be a reasonable one with an interesting answer.[/quote]
The biggest difference is genetic and hormonal and not just changes in our digestive tract. This is about biological adaptation…which does not allow it to be used to discuss why one species can look like this by doing that and we can’t. We have to acknowledge the basic fact that different species have different biological systems. Reducing that to only one or two differences is way too simplistic.[/quote]
Sure sure I completely agree.
I was coming from this purely from the digestive angle, as I thought everyone would already appreciate the vast differences in the endocrine and metabolic function of both species. The OP seemed to suggest that too in his original question, he never suggested that we could reach a gorillas level of strength - as you have stated, so many other factors come into that.
The fact remains, as Hilldog has said, that gorillas are 200kg of muscle, and with the most preferable genetics, metabolism and hormone levels possible that size cannot be achieved without a lot of protein and calories.
As I already said, I think Michael answered this question.
If BigRedMachine had asked something like, “Why do you see native tribesmen with abs on National Geographic when they have a plant or grain-based diet without a reliable quality protein source”, then the discussion could’ve started off on the right foot and we wouldn’t be busting his balls for a dozen posts already.[/quote]
The fact remains, as Hilldog has said, that gorillas are 200kg of muscle, and with the most preferable genetics, metabolism and hormone levels possible that size cannot be achieved without a lot of protein and calories.
As I already said, I think Michael answered this question.
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The fact is that science doesn’t even know what causes all muscle growth. They simply do not have a clue. They know the primary instigators (exercise, hormones), but muscle growth in all cases is not just limited to easy to pin point systems of variables.
The bottom line is that Silverbacks are fucking built…and they don’t have Bowflexes in the jungle.
The fact remains, as Hilldog has said, that gorillas are 200kg of muscle, and with the most preferable genetics, metabolism and hormone levels possible that size cannot be achieved without a lot of protein and calories.
As I already said, I think Michael answered this question.
[/quote]
The fact is that science doesn’t even know what causes all muscle growth. They simply do not have a clue. They know the primary instigators (exercise, hormones), but muscle growth in all cases is not just limited to easy to pin point systems of variables.
The bottom line is that Silverbacks are fucking built…and they don’t have Bowflexes in the jungle.[/quote]
neither do most guys in the inner city on courts, they’re jacked, WTF
The fact remains, as Hilldog has said, that gorillas are 200kg of muscle, and with the most preferable genetics, metabolism and hormone levels possible that size cannot be achieved without a lot of protein and calories.
As I already said, I think Michael answered this question.
[/quote]
The fact is that science doesn’t even know what causes all muscle growth. They simply do not have a clue. They know the primary instigators (exercise, hormones), but muscle growth in all cases is not just limited to easy to pin point systems of variables.
The bottom line is that Silverbacks are fucking built…and they don’t have Bowflexes in the jungle.[/quote]
Of course most of the answers are unknown, but I don’t think that that stops the OPs question from being an interesting one.
Guys, this lifter at my gym doesn’t lift at all. He just sits in the grass outside and eats leaves in between long bouts of tree swinging. Why is it my arms are still 15" and he is about to compete in the Olympia?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Guys, this lifter at my gym doesn’t lift at all. He just sits in the grass outside and eats leaves in between long bouts of tree swinging. Why is it my arms are still 15" and he is about to compete in the Olympia?[/quote]
True…while that is at least 85% of it…I am noticing some deficiencies in shoulder development. I think I have him in the most muscular despite his clear darker skin advantage.
