Didn’t I say he’d blame it on the darkies.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
tom63 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
Sifu wrote:
In America we don’t have a big problem with glassing, because it is asking to get shot. If you went into a bar in Detroit and smashed a bottle in some sisters face you would be lucky to make it out of the parking lot alive. In Britain people do it with impunity because they no the risks are low and the punishments are meager.
And you’d better not get caught by the Cops either, because the law takes a very dim view of this crime, classified as “mayhem”…The law will come after you full-force, and if it goes to a jury, get ready for some prison time, because you just provided the evidence to send you up the river: The mutilated victim’s face!. The Torts lawyers will sue, so forget any income over subsistence for the rest of your life…That is, if you make it out of prison alive, because mutilators are seen as little better than child molesters, (male or female is irrelevant,you are going to be someone’s Bitch, if you don’t get shanked dead or get your own face mutilated in short order) and if you do make it out, better watch you back, the word will be out on you…But this all depends on if you make it out alive (from Sifu’s example scenario)in the first place…
No, we don’t play that shit in the USA on any level, and I am disgusted to learn this trend has taken hold in UK nightlife. The only reason the UK still has a tourist industry is that this is basically unreported outside the UK…Few civilized people simply out for a drink would expose themselves to such a cowardly attack scenario, knowing it possible in advance, and that they are legally rendered helpless to defend against it(!). These “glasser” criminals are akin to Taliban scum, who throw caustics in schoolgirls faces for daring to get an education(!). They deserve the same as an atavistic Taliban terrorist too: 230 grains of copper-jacketed lead hollow-point between the runnin’ lights…
…you’re right, it’s so much better to be an innocent victim of some stupid drive-by shooting, or to be shot by police for drawing your wallet…
THOSE THINGS HAPPEN SO MUCH LESS THAN AN INNOCENT PROTECTING THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, now go back to picking tulips.
Not according to every study that I have every seen.[/quote]
There have been no legitimate studies that have shown this in the US. they have all been debunked as having poor methodology, small sample size and so on.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Let’s see if I understand you correctly: you have an unspecified amount of cash (I’m guessing about 1200 dollars, if a Grand Raptor is among the choices), and want to invest it effectively. Correct?
The Kimber Raptor is a magnificent weapon. If I had no sidearm in .45 caliber, I would buy one. However, if you already have a number of handguns, another one probably isn’t going to make you more effective. Not even with a new holster.
1200 dollars will buy about 240 Barrett 661-grain FMJ rounds, or about 150 Summit 750-grain AMAX rounds.
It will buy 600 rounds of Hornady 300 Magnum.
I’d go with 100 rounds of the AMAX 50 cal ($800), and 200 rounds of 300 Magnum.
If the fecal matter should ever truly hit the ventilator, you’ll be happier to have bought more rifle ammunition than to have bought another pistol and a new holster.
Just my four rounds of .22 LR (two cents, at present exchange rates).
[/quote]
My point is exactly that we need to worry more about our stash of ammo, we should help the guys who sell the stuff, and support our politicians who side with us.
As for ammo, don’t worry about me, I have over 200o rounds of 223, 2000 or so 308, over 5000 22 lr, and over 1000 rounds for each pistol caliber, probably closer to 2000. 300 weatherby and 243 is only 500 or so each. For my 50, which is new, I have 170-200 rounds, have to check.
I also keep at least ten mags for each weapon and spare parts of possible.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Yep, but 135 gr, 115gr, 125 gr WOULD ALSO WORK imo.
Not nearly as satisfactorily.
CCI-Speer 200-grain “flying ashtray” for the win.
I would agree, but shot placement is important. also, some loads just shoot better than others. Of course the 200 gr 45acp corbon load shot very well from my 45s.
I’d like to point out that a lot of this arguing is plain stupid. CB wants to argue, and it seems so does Sifu. I think time would be better spent in going out and contributing to the local gun dealer’s economy on us gun guy’s hands.
CB can go read a book.
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Seriously, you fellows are spending a lot of time arguing with a Brit? He doesn’t live in our country, will not decide in any firearm laws, and I seriously doubt will ever reject his Euro weenie status.
Tom, buy some ammo. We live in a nation with a much too high gun to ammo/part ratio.
mike[/quote]
See below, ammo has been covered. I follow the rule of one box to shoot, one to save. and extra if you have extra cash. I also have components to reload at least 1000 more 223, 308, 9mm, 45acp, and 40 caliber. That’s ammo primers, powder, press and dies.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Let’s see if I understand you correctly: you have an unspecified amount of cash (I’m guessing about 1200 dollars, if a Grand Raptor is among the choices), and want to invest it effectively. Correct?
The Kimber Raptor is a magnificent weapon. If I had no sidearm in .45 caliber, I would buy one. However, if you already have a number of handguns, another one probably isn’t going to make you more effective. Not even with a new holster.
1200 dollars will buy about 240 Barrett 661-grain FMJ rounds, or about 150 Summit 750-grain AMAX rounds.
It will buy 600 rounds of Hornady 300 Magnum.
I’d go with 100 rounds of the AMAX 50 cal ($800), and 200 rounds of 300 Magnum.
If the fecal matter should ever truly hit the ventilator, you’ll be happier to have bought more rifle ammunition than to have bought another pistol and a new holster.
Just my four rounds of .22 LR (two cents, at present exchange rates).
My point is exactly that we need to worry more about our stash of ammo, we should help the guys who sell the stuff, and support our politicians who side with us.
As for ammo, don’t worry about me, I have over 200o rounds of 223, 2000 or so 308, over 5000 22 lr, and over 1000 rounds for each pistol caliber, probably closer to 2000. 300 weatherby and 243 is only 500 or so each. For my 50, which is new, I have 170-200 rounds, have to check.
I also keep at least ten mags for each weapon and spare parts of possible.
[/quote]
Depending on what state you live in, if the “ammo accountability” bills pass, residents may be required to “dispose” of unregistered ammo or face criminal charges if found in possession.
Sounds like confiscation to me.
All this gun talk makes we want to sling some lead!!!
Interesting summary of a study done about weapons used in assaults against police officers in the US.
"Weapon Choice:
[i]Predominately handguns were used in the assaults on officers and all but one were obtained illegally, usually in street transactions or in thefts. In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study was obtained from gun shows. What was available “was the overriding factor in weapon choice,” the report says. Only 1 offender hand-picked a particular gun “because he felt it would do the most damage to a human being.”
Researcher Davis, in a presentation and discussion for the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police, noted that none of the attackers interviewed was “hindered by any law–federal, state or local–that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws.”[/i]
http://www.stoppingpower.net/commentary/comm_cop_killers.asp
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Let’s see if I understand you correctly: you have an unspecified amount of cash (I’m guessing about 1200 dollars, if a Grand Raptor is among the choices), and want to invest it effectively. Correct?
The Kimber Raptor is a magnificent weapon. If I had no sidearm in .45 caliber, I would buy one. However, if you already have a number of handguns, another one probably isn’t going to make you more effective. Not even with a new holster.
1200 dollars will buy about 240 Barrett 661-grain FMJ rounds, or about 150 Summit 750-grain AMAX rounds.
It will buy 600 rounds of Hornady 300 Magnum.
I’d go with 100 rounds of the AMAX 50 cal ($800), and 200 rounds of 300 Magnum.
If the fecal matter should ever truly hit the ventilator, you’ll be happier to have bought more rifle ammunition than to have bought another pistol and a new holster.
Just my four rounds of .22 LR (two cents, at present exchange rates).
My point is exactly that we need to worry more about our stash of ammo, we should help the guys who sell the stuff, and support our politicians who side with us.
As for ammo, don’t worry about me, I have over 200o rounds of 223, 2000 or so 308, over 5000 22 lr, and over 1000 rounds for each pistol caliber, probably closer to 2000. 300 weatherby and 243 is only 500 or so each. For my 50, which is new, I have 170-200 rounds, have to check.
I also keep at least ten mags for each weapon and spare parts of possible.
[/quote]
I don’t like you anymore. I’m going to go pout now.
mike
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Let’s see if I understand you correctly: you have an unspecified amount of cash (I’m guessing about 1200 dollars, if a Grand Raptor is among the choices), and want to invest it effectively. Correct?
The Kimber Raptor is a magnificent weapon. If I had no sidearm in .45 caliber, I would buy one. However, if you already have a number of handguns, another one probably isn’t going to make you more effective. Not even with a new holster.
1200 dollars will buy about 240 Barrett 661-grain FMJ rounds, or about 150 Summit 750-grain AMAX rounds.
It will buy 600 rounds of Hornady 300 Magnum.
I’d go with 100 rounds of the AMAX 50 cal ($800), and 200 rounds of 300 Magnum.
If the fecal matter should ever truly hit the ventilator, you’ll be happier to have bought more rifle ammunition than to have bought another pistol and a new holster.
Just my four rounds of .22 LR (two cents, at present exchange rates).
My point is exactly that we need to worry more about our stash of ammo, we should help the guys who sell the stuff, and support our politicians who side with us.
As for ammo, don’t worry about me, I have over 200o rounds of 223, 2000 or so 308, over 5000 22 lr, and over 1000 rounds for each pistol caliber, probably closer to 2000. 300 weatherby and 243 is only 500 or so each. For my 50, which is new, I have 170-200 rounds, have to check.
I also keep at least ten mags for each weapon and spare parts of possible.
Depending on what state you live in, if the “ammo accountability” bills pass, residents may be required to “dispose” of unregistered ammo or face criminal charges if found in possession.
Sounds like confiscation to me.[/quote]
So true, but it will be hard to pass and enforce that one. What are we going to do, house to house searches? If it gets that bad, it will be bad.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Let’s see if I understand you correctly: you have an unspecified amount of cash (I’m guessing about 1200 dollars, if a Grand Raptor is among the choices), and want to invest it effectively. Correct?
The Kimber Raptor is a magnificent weapon. If I had no sidearm in .45 caliber, I would buy one. However, if you already have a number of handguns, another one probably isn’t going to make you more effective. Not even with a new holster.
1200 dollars will buy about 240 Barrett 661-grain FMJ rounds, or about 150 Summit 750-grain AMAX rounds.
It will buy 600 rounds of Hornady 300 Magnum.
I’d go with 100 rounds of the AMAX 50 cal ($800), and 200 rounds of 300 Magnum.
If the fecal matter should ever truly hit the ventilator, you’ll be happier to have bought more rifle ammunition than to have bought another pistol and a new holster.
Just my four rounds of .22 LR (two cents, at present exchange rates).
My point is exactly that we need to worry more about our stash of ammo, we should help the guys who sell the stuff, and support our politicians who side with us.
As for ammo, don’t worry about me, I have over 200o rounds of 223, 2000 or so 308, over 5000 22 lr, and over 1000 rounds for each pistol caliber, probably closer to 2000. 300 weatherby and 243 is only 500 or so each. For my 50, which is new, I have 170-200 rounds, have to check.
I also keep at least ten mags for each weapon and spare parts of possible.
I don’t like you anymore. I’m going to go pout now.
mike[/quote]
I’ve been buying and storing for years. I would advise everyone to get a 22 lr semi auto rifle, pistol, and a good bolt action rifle and save 10,000 rounds minimum. A great round like cci mini mags are 7$ per 100 rounds around here. 700$ would be money well spent for a long term supply of easily stored shooting ammo.
I think it’s funny guys here were telling me to buy ammo instead of guns. You need both to shoot, haha! I also have a 14 year old son. Even if the laws stay on the gun owner’s side, stuff won’t get cheaper. It’s a nice idea to give my son and daughter some nice equipment as I age.
I bought a gunsmithed SA in Commander style done over for concealed carry in 1992 for 895.00. now the same gun would cost over 2000.00 if you go to the smith.
Kimbers can be had for the 1000.00 to 1500.00 range. But my gun is in great shape and still shoots well. Now I have one to give to my son. I already bought him a Glock 22 for when he’s older.
If he’s a great kid, my I’ll send it out to Robar to get your nice carry package.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
What do you think is more productive, buying some more 50 caliber 750 rounds, a box of 661 gr Barrett, a box of Hornady 300 Weatherby magnum 150 gr hunting rounds, a new holster and a Kimber Grand Raptor 45.
Let’s see if I understand you correctly: you have an unspecified amount of cash (I’m guessing about 1200 dollars, if a Grand Raptor is among the choices), and want to invest it effectively. Correct?
The Kimber Raptor is a magnificent weapon. If I had no sidearm in .45 caliber, I would buy one. However, if you already have a number of handguns, another one probably isn’t going to make you more effective. Not even with a new holster.
1200 dollars will buy about 240 Barrett 661-grain FMJ rounds, or about 150 Summit 750-grain AMAX rounds.
It will buy 600 rounds of Hornady 300 Magnum.
I’d go with 100 rounds of the AMAX 50 cal ($800), and 200 rounds of 300 Magnum.
If the fecal matter should ever truly hit the ventilator, you’ll be happier to have bought more rifle ammunition than to have bought another pistol and a new holster.
Just my four rounds of .22 LR (two cents, at present exchange rates).
My point is exactly that we need to worry more about our stash of ammo, we should help the guys who sell the stuff, and support our politicians who side with us.
As for ammo, don’t worry about me, I have over 200o rounds of 223, 2000 or so 308, over 5000 22 lr, and over 1000 rounds for each pistol caliber, probably closer to 2000. 300 weatherby and 243 is only 500 or so each. For my 50, which is new, I have 170-200 rounds, have to check.
I also keep at least ten mags for each weapon and spare parts of possible.
Depending on what state you live in, if the “ammo accountability” bills pass, residents may be required to “dispose” of unregistered ammo or face criminal charges if found in possession.
Sounds like confiscation to me.[/quote]
PA. BTW. It will be very hard to pass here.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
Sifu wrote:
So why are there more violent crimes in the US then? Your argument holds no water. If you were right there would be no violent crime in the US. This is not the case therefore there must be other factors at play.
Because we are two different countries with vastly different histories. And we have different laws and resources. Only an idiot would expect these two countries to be identical.
In the US crime rates vary from state to state and within the states there can be huge variances from one community to the next.
There are huge variances amongst ethnic groups. African Americans are 7 times more likely to be murdered than whites and their killer is most likely to be another African American. All you have done through the last 20 pages of this thread is point at the results of Black on Black crime. I don’t know how to be any more blunt about this.
The whole basis of your flawed argument has been to point out the results of a historical legacy that involves 400 years of slavery with all it’s terrible abuses followed by 100 years of Jim Crow and all of it’s terrible abuses.
Britain hasn’t had millions of former slaves packed into ghettos where peoples are problems compounded. There is no community in Britain that has endured that horrific and sustained of an assault. An assault that was deliberately intended to do severe damage and it has.
%50 of Americas murder victims are African American. Without them the violent crime rates between Britain and the US would be just about the same.
In 2006 ?-
* Per every 1,000 persons in that racial group, 32 blacks, 23 whites and 18 persons of other races sustained a violent crime.
* Black, white, and other races experienced one per 1,000 person rates of rape/sexual assault.
According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports, in 2006 about 50% off murder victims were black, 47% were white, and 3% were Asians, Pacific Islander, and Native Americans. [/quote]
The sad part is that blacks comprise a much lower % of the population as compared to whites.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Depending on what state you live in, if the “ammo accountability” bills pass, residents may be required to “dispose” of unregistered ammo or face criminal charges if found in possession.
Sounds like confiscation to me.
So true, but it will be hard to pass and enforce that one. What are we going to do, house to house searches? If it gets that bad, it will be bad.
[/quote]
If it gets that bad, I anticipate that more than a few people will be “disposing” of their unregistered ammunition in the direction of the house-to-house searchers.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Depending on what state you live in, if the “ammo accountability” bills pass, residents may be required to “dispose” of unregistered ammo or face criminal charges if found in possession.
Sounds like confiscation to me.
So true, but it will be hard to pass and enforce that one. What are we going to do, house to house searches? If it gets that bad, it will be bad.
If it gets that bad, I anticipate that more than a few people will be “disposing” of their unregistered ammunition in the direction of the house-to-house searchers.[/quote]
Exactly, I fight the good fight legally first by all means possible. And we must continue to fight at all times. My kids have been taught what I think in regards to guns and will vote along those lines in four years.
My son belongs to the NRA at 14. My daughter and son will soon get life memberships.
Now, the optimistic side of me has seen many battles won over the years, including the Supreme Court case, Heller. the optimistic side of me thinks that the legal precedent will go a long way on the side of the gun guys.
It gives you a great leg to stand on. I personally think we’re winning. A little over a year ago, Michael Barone, sp, of US News and World Report wrote about the 20 some years of legal concealed carry in Florida. He said how he wrote that there would be blood in the streets and so on.
And he wrote he was wrong. He realized that good guys don’t do bad things. And good guys can be a great deterrent against crime.
There are plenty of other scholarly writings available out there and more and more people are seeing this side of the issue. Hell, Schumer looked for pro gun democrats to run in 06. Clinton himself has commented on making a mistake in pushing for gun control.
I’m fully prepared to do my part and many others are. Let them try and expose their true colors.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
My son belongs to the NRA at 14. My daughter and son will soon get life memberships.
[/quote]
Skip the NRA. They lack backbone. Get them memberships with GOA or JPFO.
mike
[quote]tom63 wrote:
There are plenty of other scholarly writings available out there and more and more people are seeing this side of the issue. Hell, Schumer looked for pro gun democrats to run in 06. Clinton himself has commented on making a mistake in pushing for gun control.
[/quote]
For what it’s worth, both the NRA and Schumer backed Gillibrand to fill Hillary’s seat.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
My son belongs to the NRA at 14. My daughter and son will soon get life memberships.
Skip the NRA. They lack backbone. Get them memberships with GOA or JPFO.
mike[/quote]
I did belong to the JFPO, but I can’t take them very seriously. Like it or not, the NRA is the big boy on the block.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
My son belongs to the NRA at 14. My daughter and son will soon get life memberships.
Skip the NRA. They lack backbone. Get them memberships with GOA or JPFO.
mike[/quote]
Interesting article in Reason on a former lobbyist for the NRA. While the GOA and JPFO have a no compromise position on the issues, like them or not, the NRA can get pro-gun control legislators defeated.
[quote]AndyG wrote:
Didn’t I say he’d blame it on the darkies.[/quote]
I wasn’t blaming “the Darkies” asshole. If you don’t know the history of slavery or Jim Crow and how their legacy has affected this country you should shut the fuck up and keep your stupid remarks to yourself.
You are a typical liberal bitch. You live in a Lilly white community but when someone who lives in a black community points out an inconvenient truth that challenges your beliefs instead of having some honesty and admitting that you were wrong, you choose instead to try and build a strawman around racism so you can then feel that you have a legitimate justification for ignoring the truth.
Those statistics came from the US Department of Justice. Black on Black crime is a real problem that has affected the entire community from the poorest in the ghetto right up to the rich and famous like Bill Cosby or Marvin Gaye. I’ve witnessed enough of it myself to know it’s real.