[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Do you think the cows on the farms or pigs or chickens would even be alive if it was not for us. These are crops just like corn wheat apples or oranges. They are the staple in most peoples diets. Could they be treated better yes. But here is the flip side do you want to pay more for your chicken breasts, or your milk or whey protein? …cause it would cost farmers more to farm differently. I am not talking a few cents but dollars. Calculate that out at the end of your grocery bill of a person under iron bar.
Also for all those who watch the movie with sound. Turn it off and show it to someone who has not seen it. I doubt the effect of the sad background music and narrative by the all knowing metro guy will have an effect on that person.
To me this is just PETA propaganda. Designed to attach emotions to crops of animals we grow. [/quote]
It does not follow that if you are responsible for an animal being alive that you have the right to inflict pain on that animal.
Responsible pet owners and farmers follow humane practices. Assholes don’t. Doesn’t mean we should give up pets or meat because some people are assholes. There should be some standards, however.
Assholes also do fucked up things to other people, and you could easily make a VERY long documentary about that.
I recently walked a greyhound. There’s a program for that in Philly. A generous wealthy businessman (coincidentally named Wolf) started a rescue for “retired” greyhounds, and he’s constantly upgrading the facility.
Up to 30,000 greyhounds are put to death (sometimes clubbed to death) per year after retirement (at about 3 years old). These dogs are amazing. Beautiful, and very well behaved and extremely affectionate. It’s sad that they’re put down like that. But Mr Wolf has continued to rescue as many as possible, care for them, initiate walking programs for the public, as well as adoption services.
As long as we’re talking about cruelty, we may as well do away with greyhound racing.
While parts of this docu bothered me (shooting pigs in the head=instant death=me not seeing the problem, plus the sad sappy music and comparisons to Hitler), people are quite horrible to animals.
I live on a farm. People toss their unwanted kittens, cats, puppies, and dogs off at the side of the road all the time because they have this mistaken impression that the animals will magically be adopted by the farmers and turned into affectionate barn cats and herding dogs.
They won’t. There are hundreds of them each summer. I can’t take any of them in.
The cats:
They freeze to death.
They die of starvation.
They become coyote food.
They become wild dog food.
They stare at me with big eyes and I can see in them an overwhelming, aching desire to just be petted and loved. It kills me.
The dogs:
Ditto the cats, except that dogs eventually form wild packs and become extremely dangerous to humans, they spread diseases, and kill our livestock. They usually die at the front end of a truck late at night, or in the crosshairs of a farmer protecting their family, neighbors, and livestock.
The other day, the neighbor found what I think was supposed to be a Christmas puppy on the side of the road. It was in a box with a blanket. It still had a price tag on it. It was small, wet and covered with snow, starving, and looked very, very confused.
[quote]Squiggles wrote:
The other day, the neighbor found what I think was supposed to be a Christmas puppy on the side of the road. It was in a box with a blanket. It still had a price tag on it. It was small, wet and covered with snow, starving, and looked very, very confused. [/quote]
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Do you think the cows on the farms or pigs or chickens would even be alive if it was not for us. These are crops just like corn wheat apples or oranges. They are the staple in most peoples diets. Could they be treated better yes. But here is the flip side do you want to pay more for your chicken breasts, or your milk or whey protein? …cause it would cost farmers more to farm differently. I am not talking a few cents but dollars. Calculate that out at the end of your grocery bill of a person under iron bar.
Also for all those who watch the movie with sound. Turn it off and show it to someone who has not seen it. I doubt the effect of the sad background music and narrative by the all knowing metro guy will have an effect on that person.
To me this is just PETA propaganda. Designed to attach emotions to crops of animals we grow. [/quote]
It does not follow that if you are responsible for an animal being alive that you have the right to inflict pain on that animal.
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Are you going to pay the extra amount of money for the food you eat 6 times a day? I don’t want too. So what if my beef was born in a cattle farm. As long as its good and tasty in my mouth I don’t care.
Nature is not a happy place. This documentary seems to throw out the idea that all predators harm and meme their food. Being omnivore like a bear your going to hurt the food you eat.
I think most of you pussies forget the food we eat is designed to grow fast and be killed. That is the cold hard facts. If you don’t like it join PETA and swallow sperm for protein or drink human milk for your coffee.
As someone mentioned, yeah, there are assholes out there. They are the minority though, and saying that we shouldn’t eat meat or have pets because of these people is like saying we shouldn’t allow Irishmen to live because of the IRA, or Muslims because of Hamas/Al Qaeda.
Chew on this for a second: PETA “takes in” animals, yet not even 1% of those animals get adopted. The rest are put down. PETA has MILLIONS of dollars in budget, and they spend it all on paying people to abuse animals for them to tape and distribute all over the world. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
You’ll do more good in the world to kill a PETA member than a farmer.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Do you think the cows on the farms or pigs or chickens would even be alive if it was not for us. These are crops just like corn wheat apples or oranges. They are the staple in most peoples diets. Could they be treated better yes. But here is the flip side do you want to pay more for your chicken breasts, or your milk or whey protein? …cause it would cost farmers more to farm differently. I am not talking a few cents but dollars. Calculate that out at the end of your grocery bill of a person under iron bar.
Also for all those who watch the movie with sound. Turn it off and show it to someone who has not seen it. I doubt the effect of the sad background music and narrative by the all knowing metro guy will have an effect on that person.
To me this is just PETA propaganda. Designed to attach emotions to crops of animals we grow. [/quote]
It does not follow that if you are responsible for an animal being alive that you have the right to inflict pain on that animal.
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Are you going to pay the extra amount of money for the food you eat 6 times a day? I don’t want too. So what if my beef was born in a cattle farm. As long as its good and tasty in my mouth I don’t care.
Nature is not a happy place. This documentary seems to throw out the idea that all predators harm and meme their food. Being omnivore like a bear your going to hurt the food you eat.
I think most of you pussies forget the food we eat is designed to grow fast and be killed. That is the cold hard facts. If you don’t like it join PETA and swallow sperm for protein or drink human milk for your coffee.[/quote]
I used to work on a beef ranch. Some practices are impossible to get around, such as branding and castrating which are definitely painful and cruel but a necessary part of ranching. However, for the most part I have found ranching to be humane, and the cattle live relatively good lives. What I object to is unnecessary cruelty.
[quote]John S. wrote:
After that delightful propaganda video I could really go for a steak.[/quote]
How is it propaganda? [/quote]
“Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.” from wikipedia.
I didnt see anything that points to it being anything else but propaganda.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
I loved the retaliation from the elephants. It made me feel goooooooooooooooooooooooood[/quote]
Do african or indian tribespeople hunt elephants, or did they ever? that makes me wonder about if other tribes used to hunt mammoths with spears or bows.
PS Elephants are really dangerous and known for raiding farms and killing people for fun(they dont eat them and usually have to chase them down to get them). I saw it on the animal planet. I also saw a leopard try and kill a wildebeast, and while it was passed out(the leopard was holding its neck) the leopard grabbed a second out of opportunity. I thought it was gonna kill 2 but the first was only unconcious and not dead. It did kill the secnd though. Then i saw a cheetah try and shit on a guy in a jeep through the sunroof. that was pretty fucking funny.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
I loved the retaliation from the elephants. It made me feel goooooooooooooooooooooooood[/quote]
Do african or indian tribespeople hunt elephants, or did they ever? that makes me wonder about if other tribes used to hunt mammoths with spears or bows.
PS Elephants are really dangerous and known for raiding farms and killing people for fun(they dont eat them and usually have to chase them down to get them). I saw it on the animal planet. I also saw a leopard try and kill a wildebeast, and while it was passed out(the leopard was holding its neck) the leopard grabbed a second out of opportunity. I thought it was gonna kill 2 but the first was only unconcious and not dead. It did kill the secnd though. Then i saw a cheetah try and shit on a guy in a jeep through the sunroof. that was pretty fucking funny.[/quote]
Are you going to pay the extra amount of money for the food you eat 6 times a day? I don’t want too. So what if my beef was born in a cattle farm. As long as its good and tasty in my mouth I don’t care.
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So it costs more to not torture animals before killing them?
See, that’s what separates us from animals. We have a conscience (well some of us do) and the technological means to kill our food swiftly and in a humane way.
Not sure what bears and nature have to do with humans and their consumption of food
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I think most of you pussies forget the food we eat is designed to grow fast and be killed. That is the cold hard facts. If you don’t like it join PETA and swallow sperm for protein or drink human milk for your coffee.[/quote]
Well, if not being a douche bag, piece of shit that tortures animals makes me a pussy then so be it.
The whole meat industry and other industries which process animals is inherently dirty.
I assume the reason is not only aim for efficiency but also characteristics of the worthless scum which works there.
Almost no one wants to kill animals. Yet many want to eat meat.
Those individuals who make killing animals their profession do that because they like killing.
There is a high prevalence of other despicable attributes among the workers and accordingly it is not a surprise that many inflict unecessary harm on the animal resp. torture it.
Having met a few butchers already, I have the feeling that many are defective individuals.
I went to a job counselor once, who after I told him I was interested in nutrition suggested I should work as a butcher.
(Don´t even consider I have the highest school qualification you can get and he wanted me to pursue a low paid, unqualified blue collar career) I wanted to punch my fist through his head.
Further I find it disgusting to torture animals for public entertainment and justify it, claiming it was culture.
If your country has a culture of bull fighting, that tells a lot about it. Any Spanish person with moral integrity and patriotism must find it a shame.
Culture or tradition can not justify utterly wrong practices, otherwise the Americans would still be killing Indians and the Germans would…
Maybe the movie shares propaganda traits in so far as it is meant to change behaviour. However it does not exaggerate or give false information.
[quote]John S. wrote:
After that delightful propaganda video I could really go for a steak.[/quote]
How is it propaganda? [/quote]
“Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.” from wikipedia.
I didnt see anything that points to it being anything else but propaganda. [/quote]
What’s the political agenda? Don’t torture animals?
If you have read any of the responses, no one is calling for humans to stop eating animal meat.
