DAMNIT!! of course i order all of my products without logging in and the Biotest team decides to actually disperse Indigo-3G by Level ranking. Im easily a Level 4 at least 
lol
[quote]etaco wrote:
Getting measurable improvements out of elite and well trained athletes is much harder than getting the same out of average shmoes. The elite guys have done everything possible to get the easy gains in performance and have to work with much greater focus, intensity, and consistency to get improvements of at best a few percent here or there. On the other hand the average Joe can get far more through relatively straight forward improvements in their programs combined with greater consistency. [/quote]
@etaco - I understand and agree with your comments. I guess I should have used a different description as I didn’t mean a total newb or someone who maybe has 1 or 2 years ‘tinkering’ around in the gym when I said average schmoe (they absolutely can obtain quality gains from simple guidelines and consistency). I meant more a T-Nation average joe. Someone who trains well, with discipline, effort, consistency and has experience and knows what they’re doing but has a life outside of training.
Using myself as an example, I have a strong commitment to training and achieving goals/results but also have a lot going on outside of training. I’m lucky to be able to schedule much of my life around recovery, training and nutrition (I know not everyone can), but I do have other responsiblities/interests (work, recreation, relationships, family, etc.) that sometime take a higher priority.
So to me seeing dramatic results from someone in this category would be more telling in the effectiveness of a protocol than the results from someone who’s gifted enough to be at the level that their only responsibility or focus on a day to day basis is training.
I’m sorry but if they invite a beginner or intermediate lifter who doesn’t have a high work capacity to train in CO with CT he/she is going to broke them in half and puking in the corner. There aren’t 3-4 minute rest periods like a lot of people are used to. I hope they give them a pre-CO workout to follow so they show up there ready to rock-n-roll. I’m not saying this about everyone but man, someone who is a supplement junkie but can’t bench his bodyweight 3x is going to be crucified. Just my 2cents.
[quote]SureShot wrote:
I’m sorry but if they invite a beginner or intermediate lifter who doesn’t have a high work capacity to train in CO with CT he/she is going to broke in half and puking in the corner. There aren’t 3-4 minute rest periods like a lot of people are used to. I hope they give them a pre-CO workout to follow so they show up there ready to rock-n-roll. I’m not saying this about everyone but man, someone who is a supplement junkie but can’t bench his bodyweight 3 is going to crucified. Just my 2cents.[/quote]
I am definitely hoping/wanting to be invited out to CO to train. I’d definitely work on my work capacity the few weeks prior to make sure I’m not winded due to the elevation, lol.
[quote]diamonddelts59 wrote:
DAMNIT!! of course i order all of my products without logging in and the Biotest team decides to actually disperse Indigo-3G by Level ranking. Im easily a Level 4 at least lol[/quote]
Level isn’t the only thing try based the first batch customers on, it was also based on participation in the Indigo-3G Livespills. Plenty of people got in on it below levels 4 and 5.
[quote]Jibster wrote:
Using myself as an example, I have a strong commitment to training and achieving goals/results but also have a lot going on outside of training. I’m lucky to be able to schedule much of my life around recovery, training and nutrition (I know not everyone can), but I do have other responsiblities/interests (work, recreation, relationships, family, etc.) that sometime take a higher priority.
So to me seeing dramatic results from someone in this category would be more telling in the effectiveness of a protocol than the results from someone who’s gifted enough to be at the level that their only responsibility or focus on a day to day basis is training. [/quote]
Dude no offense, but we all have other responsibilities in life.
For the general populace, progress is IN NO WAY a function of having shit else to do but eat/lift/sleep.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jibster wrote:
Using myself as an example, I have a strong commitment to training and achieving goals/results but also have a lot going on outside of training. I’m lucky to be able to schedule much of my life around recovery, training and nutrition (I know not everyone can), but I do have other responsiblities/interests (work, recreation, relationships, family, etc.) that sometime take a higher priority.
So to me seeing dramatic results from someone in this category would be more telling in the effectiveness of a protocol than the results from someone who’s gifted enough to be at the level that their only responsibility or focus on a day to day basis is training. [/quote]
Dude no offense, but we all have other responsibilities in life.
For the general populace, progress is IN NO WAY a function of having shit else to do but eat/lift/sleep.
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True, but, there is a huge discrepancy between people on this site as far as free time and amount of responsibility is concerned. I think this is especially true now that summer is coming up for people who may only work part-time or not at all during the summer (college kids, teachers etc) and really may not have shit to do other than lift/eat/sleep and maybe a part time job. Compare that to someone working a full time job year rond with kids they have to take to soccer practice and all that nonsense and i think there will be a big difference.
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jibster wrote:
Using myself as an example, I have a strong commitment to training and achieving goals/results but also have a lot going on outside of training. I’m lucky to be able to schedule much of my life around recovery, training and nutrition (I know not everyone can), but I do have other responsiblities/interests (work, recreation, relationships, family, etc.) that sometime take a higher priority.
So to me seeing dramatic results from someone in this category would be more telling in the effectiveness of a protocol than the results from someone who’s gifted enough to be at the level that their only responsibility or focus on a day to day basis is training. [/quote]
Dude no offense, but we all have other responsibilities in life.
For the general populace, progress is IN NO WAY a function of having shit else to do but eat/lift/sleep.
[/quote]
True, but, there is a huge discrepancy between people on this site as far as free time and amount of responsibility is concerned. I think this is especially true now that summer is coming up for people who may only work part-time or not at all during the summer (college kids, teachers etc) and really may not have shit to do other than lift/eat/sleep and maybe a part time job. Compare that to someone working a full time job year rond with kids they have to take to soccer practice and all that nonsense and i think there will be a big difference.
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A lot of teachers work in the summer since teaching isn’t exactly the highest paying job out there. Everyone’s got things they can plug in to that time that they train. Check out Sugart’s article about focusing on yourself for the hour a day. All in all, odd post for someone who goes by relentless…
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
OMG if Synergy is going to the Biotest HQ… well, I really really want to go! The dude’s posts have helped me so much.[/quote]
X2
As if getting to meet CT and the rest of the guys wasn’t enough haha. Synergy is a BEAST! I love his thread[/quote]
did you get invited to visit Biotest?? I got a missed call from Jared at 1pm-ish today, I can only hope that it was ‘the call’.[/quote]
No but I did send them a nice email expessimg how awesome it would be to be able to train there. Maybe if you send them one we can convince them :)[/quote]
Hmmm I should do the same probably. BUT I have summer classes starting in 3-odd weeks… this could be terrible timing. Biotest needs to invite me in the next 3 weeks!
[quote]SRT08 wrote:
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Jibster wrote:
Using myself as an example, I have a strong commitment to training and achieving goals/results but also have a lot going on outside of training. I’m lucky to be able to schedule much of my life around recovery, training and nutrition (I know not everyone can), but I do have other responsiblities/interests (work, recreation, relationships, family, etc.) that sometime take a higher priority.
So to me seeing dramatic results from someone in this category would be more telling in the effectiveness of a protocol than the results from someone who’s gifted enough to be at the level that their only responsibility or focus on a day to day basis is training. [/quote]
Dude no offense, but we all have other responsibilities in life.
For the general populace, progress is IN NO WAY a function of having shit else to do but eat/lift/sleep.
[/quote]
True, but, there is a huge discrepancy between people on this site as far as free time and amount of responsibility is concerned. I think this is especially true now that summer is coming up for people who may only work part-time or not at all during the summer (college kids, teachers etc) and really may not have shit to do other than lift/eat/sleep and maybe a part time job. Compare that to someone working a full time job year rond with kids they have to take to soccer practice and all that nonsense and i think there will be a big difference.
[/quote]
A lot of teachers work in the summer since teaching isn’t exactly the highest paying job out there. Everyone’s got things they can plug in to that time that they train. Check out Sugart’s article about focusing on yourself for the hour a day. All in all, odd post for someone who goes by relentless…[/quote]
Why is it an odd post pointing out that some people have more free time? My mom is a teacher, she doesn’t have a second job for the summer. Many of my friends throughout college didnt do shit during the summer either, hence having more free time than a working family man. I always worked year round during undergrad while playing college football, so I wasnt necessarily implying that the nothing to do but eat/sleep/lift crowd included me. I just think everyone has a different level of “busyness”
As far as the article, was it over on his velocity life page or was it a T-Nation article?
Just got the call from J-Rod. I’m in. Stacking with Receptormax for sure and using Thib’s complex routine / NC / Prowler work. Time for the change.
Im in too, me and my Fiance, so we are going to be keeping a log
[quote]jedalger wrote:
Just got the call from J-Rod. I’m in. Stacking with Receptormax for sure and using Thib’s complex routine / NC / Prowler work. Time for the change.[/quote]
For real dude? Seems like you should save the Receptormax for when you run out or go off Indigo-3G. At the least, I’d ask for an official Biotest opinion on it- perhaps CT or Shugart? Just seems like you wouldn’t need the Receptormax for the time being. Of course, I may be wrong.
Posted this on the spill, but figured it’s worth posting again. For those of us who didn’t receive calls about I3G/can’t afford it, I would recommend tossing some nuts (or chia/flax seed) into your blueberry smoothies and washing down a probiotic with it to increase the bioavailibility of compounds like C-3G naturally:
[quote]Scuba steve-o wrote:
Posted this on the spill, but figured it’s worth posting again. For those of us who didn’t receive calls about I3G/can’t afford it, I would recommend tossing some nuts (or chia/flax seed) into your blueberry smoothies and washing down a probiotic with it to increase the bioavailibility of compounds like C-3G naturally:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf063199t
Somehow I doubt this would have the same, or even close to similar results as this $390 supplement.
Just so folks know, as to not be horribly disappointed in me, I feel I have to set some things straight about my upcoming experiment with I3G:
- 1st and foremost, the main thing I am trying to determine is how “anabolic” feeling this really is. I have a need (for myself and me only) to compare the feeling of being on this with my various anabolic cycles of the past. No, I’m not thinking this supp will match any medium to high level cycle intakes (heck, I NEVER took very much in the 1st place), but I will be comparing this to the many low dosage cycles I have done in the past. Dumb comparison? Comparing apples to oranges? Maybe. But this is what I want to know. I will give my assessment after a couple weeks or more…not right away. In my opinion, I don’t think anything will really be felt for at least a couple of weeks (or more) anyways.
- I will NOT be doing bloodwork this 1st cycle. To be quite frank, I don’t even know what to test for if I was going to anyways!
- I will NOT be taking any other supplements other than proteins, carbs, and Flameout type of nutritional supps.
- I will NOT alter my current diet or training.
- I am planning to do more than this one 6 week cycle. If it works reasonably well (haven’t defined for myself what “reasonable” means yet), I will strive to plan cycles to “optimize” I3G with other supplements, like Receptormax for example.
I have been completely off all anabolics now for YEARS. But I “know” what the feeling of being “on” feels like. The claims of awesome pumps and whatever you eat turning to muscle…those are getting into the domain of anabolics…so I’m gonna find out myself.
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
[quote]Scuba steve-o wrote:
Posted this on the spill, but figured it’s worth posting again. For those of us who didn’t receive calls about I3G/can’t afford it, I would recommend tossing some nuts (or chia/flax seed) into your blueberry smoothies and washing down a probiotic with it to increase the bioavailibility of compounds like C-3G naturally:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf063199t
Somehow I doubt this would have the same, or even close to similar results as this $390 supplement.[/quote]
Probably not, but at the very least using strategies like this after a cycle could only help to prolong the effects of I3G. As much as people seem to think this will be some sort of magic pill, inflammation pathways can be turned back on just as easily (if not more so!) as they can be turned off.
Could be from some food you didn’t know you had a slight allergy to, a crazy weekend involving too much drinking, the general stress of day-to-day life, an illness, etc. A certain amount of, let’s call it “maintenance”, anthocyanins might be something to think about after a cycle of I3G.
Should be getting mine Monday, since I went with expedited shipping
had my bf% and weight taken last night at the gym, currently:
height= 6’2"
weight=253
bf= 10.7% (probably actually a little higher, he only used 3 sites for skinfold, but I will just let the same guy measure and use the same spots in 40 days, to get a true apples to apples comparison)
DIET- been doing a carb cycling diet the past 4 weeks to get down to my “summer” weight. Started out with 3 very moderate/healthy carb days per week, 2 low carb/higher fat days per week, Sat is almost like a fast day, only some small meals of mostly protein with a little fat/ NO CARBS AT ALL through the day…then cheat meal at night, Sunday is high carbs (of any kind) but fat is kept low.
Every 2 weeks I drop one of the moderate carb days and replace it with a low carb/higher fat day. Plan was to follow this pattern until the whole week is whittled down to all low carb/higher fat days (Mon-Fri) with the weekend routine the same.
At this point I am down to 2 moderate carb weekdays, was going to drop to 1 next week, but I’m thinking I should probably keep it up to at least 2, if not go back up to 3, to take advantage of being on the Indigo? Will be looking for advice from the experts here on this!
TRAINING - been doing Defranco’s bad-ass program for about the last year. Really loved it, but just was getting a little bored with it, also promised my wife I would run a half-marathon with her this summer (she’s a maniac runner) and that program just leaves me too wiped to do extra cardio. So I switched back to a more BB style routine that I got from Phil Hernon 2 years ago.
It’s a 3 on, one off bodypart split, and I’ll do some interval running or slow-steady run for cardio after. Not sure wether to go back to the Defranco program for my Indigo run, or stick with what I’ve been doing. Again, hoping for some guidance from the staff here on this
SUPPS - have used ALOT of “super supps” in my past, so much that I rendered myself infertile and destroyed my HPTA. Found a great doc who put me on hcg/arimidex…got my test level into the 1000 range AND fathered 2 more kids!! (1st kid was from before my HEAVY usage days) Since we are now done having kids (3 is enough, thanks!) I am now on prescription 150 mg test enth w/arimidex. Keeps my level in the 900-1000’s range.
I will NEVER use anything other than what I am prescribed again, my wife and kids come before my want to be big!! For regular supps been using protein, creatine, beta-alanine, fish oil, ZMA, multi,ALCAR and CoQ10. Also always use some sort of pre-workout stim because I train at 4:30 AM, before work (because I don’t want to take away time from my kids in the evening!). I’m thinking I will just continue all of these, since they are pretty much the norm for me (I’m pretty much always using them)
Hoping to keep a pretty detailed account of my experience on this supp, so people can see if it’s worth the $$ or not.
OK, gotta get back to work now!!
oh, and I will be 36 this July (meant to put my age in there)