Eager for the New Biotest Stuff

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History: I was the skinny fat kid through high school (drumline captain, varsity bowler (lol), golf team, played drumset for school plays/choir, etc.). I ran, went to the gym to bench and curl the same exact weight/sets/reps 3 days a week. So, I was always sort of active with running, but never pushed myself in the weight room.

Started college at KU in fall '08. Got into health/fitness by reading Men’s Health (ugh) and started running and doing full body circuits (to “rev that metabolism”). Pretty much starved myself and got down to about 138 lbs at 6 feet tall. My mom was worried about my health, and looking back, she should have been. I found bb.com (UGH) and eventually found T-Nation which truly sparked my passion for getting stronger.

I started lifting the beginning of my sophomore year at KU. After I had starved myself down to 138, I was repping 115 on bench a few times, never squatted, and never deadlifted. Since then, I’ve gotten to a bit over 200 (morning weight) at my heaviest and am now about 185-190 in the morning. Got my bench up to 285, squat 315 for a triple, and deadlifted 500. I’m interested in getting BIG, and that’s it lol. I’d really like to start competeing after I spend another few years adding some good mass, 'cause I need it.

Training: Currently just started my 4th cycle of 5/3/1. I do the PR set, and then ramp the weight afterward’s using CT’s methods. Won’t get into too much detail because you’ll be able to see in my log.

Diet: Pretty low carbs. I plan on slowly adding them back in once on I-3G. Diet is really simple, but I like it that way: lots of natty PB, chicken, nuts, broccoli, and protein powders.

Supps: ANACONDA (about to run out, and not sure if I can afford more for now), plain hydrolyzed casein, Surge Workout Fuel, fish oil, multi, vit C, vit D, ZMA, Z-12 a few nights a week, leucine with shakes and during WO, and some sort of preWO stim just because I love 'em.

So, my Indigo-3G is supposed to arrive in the mail tomorrow, but I will be traveling over the next 3 weeks so I won’t start my dosing until June 12th. I figured I would start this log, though, just so everyone can get a feel of how I train, eat, etc. I’ll post some pictures once I get back from traveling, to compare with how body comp changes over the next 6 weeks of Indigo-3G.

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This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.

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[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.[/quote]

exactly.

well said.

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yes they are quite good at marketing. Don’t care though, I know what my body needs and doesn’t need. Plus, their supps kick ass.

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[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.[/quote]

You realize that there will be thousands of potential buyers watching about 50 people and their results/progress (for 5-6 weeks) before anyone can physically make a purchase, right? And that most, if not all, of these people are advanced trainees and their progress is probably really slow at this point due to training age, right? You also realize the crazy amount of cojones and confidence it takes to sell your supplement (costing 400$) to only 50 people, then waiting for 5-6 weeks while every single potential customer is watching their feedback/progress, right? And that 5 weeks under such circumstances is way too long for any kind of impulse-buying to happen, right?

People will have 5 weeks to evaluate whether they want to spend 400$ on a supplement and have actual feedback and data before making that decision.

I can assure you that this is not “the best marketing strategy.”

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.[/quote]

exactly.

well said.[/quote]

Is it marketing or a scientific study…dun dun DUUUUNNNNNN!

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
yes they are quite good at marketing. Don’t care though, I know what my body needs and doesn’t need. Plus, their supps kick ass.[/quote]

This.

And what was said above about their marketing.

Biotest makes kickass supplements, and knows how to sell them lol.

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I have not been dissapointed with any supplement from Biotest. And I agree with Biotest allowing people to watch everyones results. This could really backfire but they know their product is legit so they aren’t worried.

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[quote]theceka wrote:

[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.[/quote]

You realize that there will be thousands of potential buyers watching about 50 people and their results/progress (for 5-6 weeks) before anyone can physically make a purchase, right? And that most, if not all, of these people are advanced trainees and their progress is probably really slow at this point due to training age, right? You also realize the crazy amount of cojones and confidence it takes to sell your supplement (costing 400$) to only 50 people, then waiting for 5-6 weeks while every single potential customer is watching their feedback/progress, right? And that 5 weeks under such circumstances is way too long for any kind of impulse-buying to happen, right?

People will have 5 weeks to evaluate whether they want to spend 400$ on a supplement and have actual feedback and data before making that decision.

I can assure you that this is not “the best marketing strategy.”[/quote]
Actually all of the people receiving the first batch have a very varied training background. Biotest did not screen for training backgrounds. They selected people based on interest in the Livespill, and if they were Level 4/5. I’m willing to bet there are plenty of skinny dudes (or just fat dudes with not a lot of muscle) that are receiving this first batch with I3G. Just my guess.

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And here’s my background:

I’m 22 now, started lifting at about 17. Always was fat as a kid, always will be a FFB with a terrible intolerance to carbs. Leaned up a bit because I started lifting and ate better, but truth be told, I’ve always been a little chubby. I’ve only now decided to get more consistent with my diet and watch the carbs, cheat meals, and just have some damn dedication to finally getting lean (especially for summer). Right now, in terms of carbs in my diet, I’m having some berries or other low GI fruit in the morning, 1 FINiBAR and 1 scoop of SWF around my workout. Then every 5 or so days I have a cheat meal.

In terms of training… I’ve done a lot. Westside, Badass, 5/3/1, BB stuff, Thib stuff, Waterbury, etc. Now I do Olympic weightlifting, and while annoying at times, I won’t be doing anything BUT Olympic weightlifting for the rest of my life. I lift 5 days a week, 2 hours each session, or 10 hours per week. So watching carbs, while lifting 10 hours per week, can be hard at times. That’s why I’m so interested in I3G. If I can have some more rice/potatoes without fat gain, I’m all for it.

I will be doing Indigo-3G for only the 40 days. I’m getting it for free this first time around which is awesome, but I cannot afford to do even one ‘cycle’ of it.

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[quote]theceka wrote:

[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.[/quote]

You realize that there will be thousands of potential buyers watching about 50 people and their results/progress (for 5-6 weeks) before anyone can physically make a purchase, right? And that most, if not all, of these people are advanced trainees and their progress is probably really slow at this point due to training age, right? You also realize the crazy amount of cojones and confidence it takes to sell your supplement (costing 400$) to only 50 people, then waiting for 5-6 weeks while every single potential customer is watching their feedback/progress, right? And that 5 weeks under such circumstances is way too long for any kind of impulse-buying to happen, right?

People will have 5 weeks to evaluate whether they want to spend 400$ on a supplement and have actual feedback and data before making that decision.

I can assure you that this is not “the best marketing strategy.”[/quote]

This is a simple case of brains meets circumstance.

If we assume everything they’ve told us is true, there’s a number of ways they could have handled it:

  1. Continue to test on their own, not releasing any information
  2. Releasing information but not the product
  3. Releasing the product and letting it sell out
  4. Give up

The list goes on.

The mark of a successful entrepreneur is their ability to recognize opportunity, pivot, and execute quickly and effectively. Tim Patterson has done this over and over again. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not.

There’s no doubt in my mind this is being calculated, but only in the moment. This wasn’t planned 5 years ago, or even 3 months ago. They saw fantastic results internally, and threw out some bread crumbs, then watched the reaction, and responded. The spark they threw out turned into a small flame, when they blew on it, it spread. Now they’re managing the response and trying some new things. So far so good.

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[quote]theceka wrote:

[quote]ds1973 wrote:
This has got to be the best marketing strategy I have ever seen. They didn’t even need to work up to this release for years prior (like with Anaconda).

Announce you’ve been working on a secret substance for years and due to a limited supply, you must be chosen to have the opportunity to purchase it. Then, because this is so difficult to make, the next batch won’t be ready for some time.

Just by doing this, they are making everyone else want it. Regardless of cost, the next “batch” will be sold out in minutes.

I am very interested to read peoples experiences and results on this supplement. If the results are as good as the hype, I’d like to get my hands on some. Until then, I’ll continue to partition my nutrients using the tried and true lean gains method of intermittent fasting.[/quote]

You realize that there will be thousands of potential buyers watching about 50 people and their results/progress (for 5-6 weeks) before anyone can physically make a purchase, right? And that most, if not all, of these people are advanced trainees and their progress is probably really slow at this point due to training age, right? You also realize the crazy amount of cojones and confidence it takes to sell your supplement (costing 400$) to only 50 people, then waiting for 5-6 weeks while every single potential customer is watching their feedback/progress, right? And that 5 weeks under such circumstances is way too long for any kind of impulse-buying to happen, right?

People will have 5 weeks to evaluate whether they want to spend 400$ on a supplement and have actual feedback and data before making that decision.

I can assure you that this is not “the best marketing strategy.”[/quote]

I’ve got to agree with this, I’ve used pretty mch any supp you can think of (including "super supps) Been at this over 20 years. I know if something is working for me or not, and I’m going to call it lke I see it. I think this “marketing approach” actually has more risk than reward for Biotest. If alot of people report mediocre or poor results, they are going to look pretty awful. I think rolling out the product the way they have shows they have ALOT of confidence in the efficacy of this product. just my 2cents

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@theceka- actually, none of us can be sure that they only sold to 50 customers in this “first batch”. The only way we would have any clue is if they actually published a list of who they sold to. Maybe they sold to 50 that post on this site, but 500 that don’t! We would never know.

Also, as PB Andy just pointed out, this I3G got sold to all different levels here, from beginners to polished vets- which exposes some of the “hype” they intentionally created by saying it would only get sold to supplement savvy and experienced customers- as well as loyal, long time customers- yet they still sold to some newb’s!

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Interestingly enough, I was doing some curls right next to the “dance floor” or whatever it’s called, portion of my gym- tall glass wall, wood floor room. I noticed an envelope on the floor right on the other side of the glass, where someone had handwritten “indigo 3G” on the envelope. I laughed because someone probably heard of it already and wrote it down thinking they’d get some!

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
And here’s my background:

I’m 22 now, started lifting at about 17. Always was fat as a kid, always will be a FFB with a terrible intolerance to carbs. Leaned up a bit because I started lifting and ate better, but truth be told, I’ve always been a little chubby. I’ve only now decided to get more consistent with my diet and watch the carbs, cheat meals, and just have some damn dedication to finally getting lean (especially for summer). Right now, in terms of carbs in my diet, I’m having some berries or other low GI fruit in the morning, 1 FINiBAR and 1 scoop of SWF around my workout. Then every 5 or so days I have a cheat meal.

In terms of training… I’ve done a lot. Westside, Badass, 5/3/1, BB stuff, Thib stuff, Waterbury, etc. Now I do Olympic weightlifting, and while annoying at times, I won’t be doing anything BUT Olympic weightlifting for the rest of my life. I lift 5 days a week, 2 hours each session, or 10 hours per week. So watching carbs, while lifting 10 hours per week, can be hard at times. That’s why I’m so interested in I3G. If I can have some more rice/potatoes without fat gain, I’m all for it.

I will be doing Indigo-3G for only the 40 days. I’m getting it for free this first time around which is awesome, but I cannot afford to do even one ‘cycle’ of it.[/quote]

Andy, I’m curious, at only 22 why do you say you will do nothing but olympic lifts ever? Are you getting into Oly lifting as a sport? Not trying to be a dick, just honestly curious

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[quote]Hospitaller wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
And here’s my background:

I’m 22 now, started lifting at about 17. Always was fat as a kid, always will be a FFB with a terrible intolerance to carbs. Leaned up a bit because I started lifting and ate better, but truth be told, I’ve always been a little chubby. I’ve only now decided to get more consistent with my diet and watch the carbs, cheat meals, and just have some damn dedication to finally getting lean (especially for summer). Right now, in terms of carbs in my diet, I’m having some berries or other low GI fruit in the morning, 1 FINiBAR and 1 scoop of SWF around my workout. Then every 5 or so days I have a cheat meal.

In terms of training… I’ve done a lot. Westside, Badass, 5/3/1, BB stuff, Thib stuff, Waterbury, etc. Now I do Olympic weightlifting, and while annoying at times, I won’t be doing anything BUT Olympic weightlifting for the rest of my life. I lift 5 days a week, 2 hours each session, or 10 hours per week. So watching carbs, while lifting 10 hours per week, can be hard at times. That’s why I’m so interested in I3G. If I can have some more rice/potatoes without fat gain, I’m all for it.

I will be doing Indigo-3G for only the 40 days. I’m getting it for free this first time around which is awesome, but I cannot afford to do even one ‘cycle’ of it.[/quote]

Andy, I’m curious, at only 22 why do you say you will do nothing but olympic lifts ever? Are you getting into Oly lifting as a sport? Not trying to be a dick, just honestly curious[/quote]
Yes I’ve been competing in Olympic weightlifting for some time now. Too fun to stop. :slight_smile: See my posts in BOI or Olympic lifting forum.

***Also, as for the marketing strategy of Biotest, I think the point is irrelevant. If it is a good supp, people will use it. Just when Anaconda and MAG-10 came out, people got results, and others didn’t. Those who didn’t probably still haven’t learned to actually lift weights yet. So Indigo-3G probably won’t affect a lot of people, because they still haven’t figured out how to actually lift properly… i.e. they are ‘newbs’ and using a $390 supp as a workaround.

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Well, I’m one of the 75 who’s getting it. I’m not a vet, nor a complete newbie, although I’d put myself closer to the newbie level.

I’ll be starting a log next monday. For the first two weeks I won’t be using I3G, then I’ll do the 40 day run.

B.

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I just want to echo the fact that in the many many years I’ve been using Biotest products, I’ve never felt like my money was poorly spent. Everyone on here realizes though that at the end of the day, this is a business, and despite Tim’s genuine love of bodybuilding, if he were to make a poor business decision, it would invariably hurt him. That being said, I can’t help but honestly believe that he feels he’s got a winner with this product, or else why would he even bother rolling it out with such a price tag on it. Seriously, the
backlash would be horrible.

As far as who was selected,… while I do think giving level 4s and 5s first crack makes some sense, I think they went with the people who they thought would honestly give this a serious shot, whether experienced trainers, or even younger ones.

S

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Sounds like some people will be getting it today. I am excited to read about the results people see. I hope the sample size is diverse.