[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I’m in as well, so whatever you guys want me to do, I’ll do… I am at your command.[/quote]
please forward your next package from Biotest directly to me. I’ll PM you my address
kthanx :)[/quote]
OK give me your address.
I’ll send you a piece of my poop.
moohahahaha.[/quote]
lol that wasnt part of the deal
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
OMG if Synergy is going to the Biotest HQ… well, I really really want to go! The dude’s posts have helped me so much.[/quote]
X2
As if getting to meet CT and the rest of the guys wasn’t enough haha. Synergy is a BEAST! I love his thread[/quote]
did you get invited to visit Biotest?? I got a missed call from Jared at 1pm-ish today, I can only hope that it was ‘the call’.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
OMG if Synergy is going to the Biotest HQ… well, I really really want to go! The dude’s posts have helped me so much.[/quote]
x3! really looking forward to giving this stuff a go. I’ll have to get some before pictures and start logging my workouts on here.
[quote]coolusername wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
OMG if Synergy is going to the Biotest HQ… well, I really really want to go! The dude’s posts have helped me so much.[/quote]
x3! really looking forward to giving this stuff a go. I’ll have to get some before pictures and start logging my workouts on here.
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oh hell yeah you will! lol 
I hope all the first testers do extensive logging.
On a semi related note, I think that we broke the LiveSpill lol
I think there’s something being redone with the livespills.
I’m excited for this. I’m happy to be in and be able to afford it. I had to say no to being available to train in CO because of school and work and getting married. I’m keeping a log, will put in pictures and measurements. I think this supplement has a lot of potential, and I hope to be able to be a pioneer of sorts with it. That’s a cool idea, I think.
I think we are all only really following seasoned people and their benefits from this supplement. It makes no sense to follow a soaking wet 130 lbs’er with diet AND training issues. A lot of the people in the spill come across as beginners, who haven’t mastered either diet and/or training yet. (of course a lot of you guys HAVE it down).
We’re seeing several “green” people writing things like “would this help a FB with diet issues?”.
Well, probably, but also now that everyone is looking at you and 400 bucks is laid out - diet is going to be cleaned up, you’re going to train harder (and smarter under CT’s guidance) etc.
I also see people ask “does this mean I can have more cheat-meals??”.
I mean, come on…
Is this really going to be used as a crutch, or to explore the full potential?
I would definitely like to see Gregron get in on this batch, seeing as he already has a log where he tracks workouts, posts pics and videos, and he is a “regular guy”- he works very hard don’t get me wrong, and he’s got a lot of muscle to show for it- but I think he’s at the point where if this stuff works as described, the results would be very noticeable. I.e., getting off those last little bits of fat here and there to really show what’s he’s built.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Ashy - Please, please, PLEASE do keep a somewhat detailed log including the following:
1 - BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES and measurements, including taking them several weeks after the supply has run out
2 - DONT make changes to your training and current nutrition intake (except maybe adding in some carbs peri-workout)
3 - And just a general log on how you feel the supplement is working during your time on it[/quote]
+1
While it is awesome that some guys are being invited out to HQ to work out that would seem to confuse the results. How will you know if any body comp changes are due to the supplement or from changes in routine and working out with world-class trainers? I am more interested in people who change nothing in their weekly routine (workouts, work, family, stress, etc) except take the supplement and more carbs as per instructions. This will be really exciting to watch. Already can’t wait for the next batch in 5 weeks!
[quote]catalyst wrote:
I remember reading about some backlash at the $110 price. Was it the result of the LiveSpills and more direct communication with customers that led you to believe this perceived price ceiling didn’t really exist? Or the success of ANACONDA? I’m curious as to how that perception shifted.
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Interesting question. I really don’t know, but I never got the impression that there was new information on how pricing would be received. I think ANACONDA may well be relevant because there also cost of raw materials was beyond what would ordinarily be considered reasonable, but the product did well.
The part that I can be sure of is that Tim is so convinced on the product that he really wanted to produce it and didn’t let the very high raw material cost stop him. Whether he had any marketing type of information as to how the price would do, I really don’t know.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I honestly can’t believe you are going to add this to your prep Stu, seems like you wouldn’t want to mess around with what you know works… You and a few others are the people I’m looking to for quality reviews of this stuff, but it should be very interesting if you decide to go that route. Especially since you still keep a fairly good amount of carbs in your contest preps.
Having said that, if you could manage to add 5 pounds of muscle and come in crazy shredded (Legs sliced and diced) that would speak wonders for the efficacy.
One of the many reasons why I’m looking to guys like you and Synergy to get on the stuff.[/quote]
Well anything that I feel may give me an added benefit, I’m going to give an honest chance. Last year, I 100% believe that the added peri-workout approach of the Finibars and Anaconda helped me to retain much more LBM onstage than the year before, which as my age, is very impressive, and certainly convinced me of the efficacy of the product.
If adding this new product to the mix is the final element that allows me to come in as tight as I know I need to be, then it will have been a worthwhile experience indeed, and I’ll sing the praises of Indigo to anyone who will listen.
S
[quote]LifeIsABeach wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Ashy - Please, please, PLEASE do keep a somewhat detailed log including the following:
1 - BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES and measurements, including taking them several weeks after the supply has run out
2 - DONT make changes to your training and current nutrition intake (except maybe adding in some carbs peri-workout)
3 - And just a general log on how you feel the supplement is working during your time on it[/quote]
+1
While it is awesome that some guys are being invited out to HQ to work out that would seem to confuse the results. How will you know if any body comp changes are due to the supplement or from changes in routine and working out with world-class trainers? I am more interested in people who change nothing in their weekly routine (workouts, work, family, stress, etc) except take the supplement and more carbs as per instructions. This will be really exciting to watch. Already can’t wait for the next batch in 5 weeks![/quote]
I think Jarod said that if they did invite people out it would be in like 6 weeks. so that would pretty much be the end of the first cycle if everyone starts taking it as soon as they get their package.
[quote]LifeIsABeach wrote:
While it is awesome that some guys are being invited out to HQ to work out that would seem to confuse the results. How will you know if any body comp changes are due to the supplement or from changes in routine and working out with world-class trainers? I am more interested in people who change nothing in their weekly routine (workouts, work, family, stress, etc) except take the supplement and more carbs as per instructions. This will be really exciting to watch. Already can’t wait for the next batch in 5 weeks
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I don’t think the training sessions these people take part in would be enough to skew the results of the supplement. Sure, hopefully they all learn something, but it’s not as if these people are going to be put up in hotels for 6+ weeks and work closely with CT and crew. They’d likely be invited out for a weekend or something like that. Cool, for sure, but not something that I would expect to drastically change anything.
[quote]byukid wrote:
I think there’s something being redone with the livespills.
I’m excited for this. I’m happy to be in and be able to afford it. I had to say no to being available to train in CO because of school and work and getting married. I’m keeping a log, will put in pictures and measurements. I think this supplement has a lot of potential, and I hope to be able to be a pioneer of sorts with it. That’s a cool idea, I think.[/quote]
I’d of moved the wedding for a chance to train in CO heh. These days you get married multiple times but you only get to train in CO once!
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I honestly can’t believe you are going to add this to your prep Stu, seems like you wouldn’t want to mess around with what you know works… You and a few others are the people I’m looking to for quality reviews of this stuff, but it should be very interesting if you decide to go that route. Especially since you still keep a fairly good amount of carbs in your contest preps.
Having said that, if you could manage to add 5 pounds of muscle and come in crazy shredded (Legs sliced and diced) that would speak wonders for the efficacy.
One of the many reasons why I’m looking to guys like you and Synergy to get on the stuff.[/quote]
Well anything that I feel may give me an added benefit, I’m going to give an honest chance. Last year, I 100% believe that the added peri-workout approach of the Finibars and Anaconda helped me to retain much more LBM onstage than the year before, which as my age, is very impressive, and certainly convinced me of the efficacy of the product.
If adding this new product to the mix is the final element that allows me to come in as tight as I know I need to be, then it will have been a worthwhile experience indeed, and I’ll sing the praises of Indigo to anyone who will listen.
S[/quote]
The fact that you’re a first batch user is great. I’d say it gives me more confidence in the product because let’s face it, you being on it, while so detailed about your training and nutrition and the fact that you have some pull around here so to speak, is dangerous to Biotest if it doesn’t work.
I know I personally will be basing my decision on whether or not to get it on guys like you and some of the others that do it right. It’d be like if Dave Tate said “well LM jumping up and down while holding your balls will give you 50 lbs on your squat” then I’d do it. Similarly if you were to say Indigo-3G is the shit and worth it, I’d get it.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
OMG if Synergy is going to the Biotest HQ… well, I really really want to go! The dude’s posts have helped me so much.[/quote]
X2
As if getting to meet CT and the rest of the guys wasn’t enough haha. Synergy is a BEAST! I love his thread[/quote]
did you get invited to visit Biotest?? I got a missed call from Jared at 1pm-ish today, I can only hope that it was ‘the call’.[/quote]
No but I did send them a nice email expessimg how awesome it would be to be able to train there. Maybe if you send them one we can convince them
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Ashy - Please, please, PLEASE do keep a somewhat detailed log including the following:
1 - BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES and measurements, including taking them several weeks after the supply has run out
2 - DONT make changes to your training and current nutrition intake (except maybe adding in some carbs peri-workout)
3 - And just a general log on how you feel the supplement is working during your time on it[/quote]
Generally agreed but with one concern:
Where someone has habitually been training to less than their ability, then of course an increase in training volume or intensiveness could be the explanation for improved results. And so, where someone is in that situation, it screws up evaluation of a supplement to change the training.
However, where someone has been training diligently and intelligently to the best of their ability and a supplement then enables greater training volume, then that itself is a benefit of the compound and really should not be eliminated from the trial.
I only got into personally trying Indigo-3G at the very end, only a few weeks ago, so don’t have any vast personal experience but I had much more work capacity on it.
I noticed CT was also able to increase his volume, which already was very high.
I am not saying that I3G will increase work capacity for everyone or any particular number of people at all. Don’t know.
But if someone has been training really well all along and now finds himself convinced that he can productively train a greater amount on a product, it is actually a fuller evaluation of the product I think to allow that increase.
However, if training has been lackadaisical or simply wrong in terms of best volume for the individual, then yes, changing training will skew results.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Ashy - Please, please, PLEASE do keep a somewhat detailed log including the following:
1 - BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES and measurements, including taking them several weeks after the supply has run out
2 - DONT make changes to your training and current nutrition intake (except maybe adding in some carbs peri-workout)
3 - And just a general log on how you feel the supplement is working during your time on it[/quote]
So Bill, as I am one of those folks that will be receiving the pelican case…what would you like to see in my training log? or measurements? or pictures? What is of useful value?
Generally agreed but with one concern:
Where someone has habitually been training to less than their ability, then of course an increase in training volume or intensiveness could be the explanation for improved results. And so, where someone is in that situation, it screws up evaluation of a supplement to change the training.
However, where someone has been training diligently and intelligently to the best of their ability and a supplement then enables greater training volume, then that itself is a benefit of the compound and really should not be eliminated from the trial.
I only got into personally trying Indigo-3G at the very end, only a few weeks ago, so don’t have any vast personal experience but I had much more work capacity on it.
I noticed CT was also able to increase his volume, which already was very high.
I am not saying that I3G will increase work capacity for everyone or any particular number of people at all. Don’t know.
But if someone has been training really well all along and now finds himself convinced that he can productively train a greater amount on a product, it is actually a fuller evaluation of the product I think to allow that increase.
However, if training has been lackadaisical or simply wrong in terms of best volume for the individual, then yes, changing training will skew results.[/quote]
So Bill, being one of those that will receive a yellow pelican case, what would you like to see me record and track as pertinent measurements / variables? Given no change to training.
I’m also in on the first batch. Like Stu, I plan on using I3G between my first show this weekend and my second one 5 weeks later. I really hope it allows me to keep my carbs higher (implementing carb cycling) and really come in much leaner and more muscular.
Once my first show is done this weekend, I plan on starting a thread about my experience with I3G and prepping for the second one.
From the standpoint of my personal desire to know, what I think would be of value to others, and what would be of value to yourself, I would track changes in skinfold, strength, and bodyweight, while keeping nutrition also the same or if changing it, recording the changes and making best estimate from previous experience what “should” (without the I-3G) have been the effect from those nutrition changes.
I would not make severe dieting one of those nutrition changes and would not go to low-carb.
It’s valuable to have a realistic idea of what “should” have happened without the supplement. There’s never any actual knowing what would have happened had things been done differently, but often ideas are quite unrealistic. For example, I have in mind someone who trains the best he can the vast majority of the time (and the exceptions are pretty much always from injury or serious illness or a brief need for days off) and trains really well. Yet if asked how much he’d expect to gain in 8 weeks without any change in supplementation, he’ll say 8-10 lb!!
But he trains really well all the time and hasn’t added 8 lb in the entire last year! He is an advanced trainer who isn’t going to rapidly gain yet further without a “game changer” being put into place. However his expectation still is that in any 8 week period he could go do that.
And on the other hand, there are individuals who really could gain 8-10 lb of muscle in 8 weeks by just being serious for a change.
So the evaluation of how a supplement does has to be made in comparison to a realistic expectation of what “should” have occurred without it. That takes some thought and judgment. Tbe best thing is to compare to past experiences of being in a similar place as the present, and following a training and nutrition protocol similar to what will be done during the trial.