Dustin Hoffman and 9/11 ?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Just when I was starting to give you a little credit, you go and do something stupid like that. What the hell DO you believe in?

Loving one’s country is fine but to put an ism on it turns it into dogmatic thinking which leads to the situations we are fighting against currently.

There is no one definition for patriotism–how does one express the feelings one has for something as large and abstract as the USA and is there only one way to do this. I love my country like I love my job. It has it’s good points and its bad and I would quickly turn my back on it if I felt it was doing me or my family harm. Being patriotic means you put your country before your self and everything associated with the self. This seems irrational to me as nations are dynamic and subject to change–why would I commit myself to that?

Looking out for #1. No wonder you didn’t like the Marines. You are really mixed up. You are the most important thing in your universe. That’s sad.

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You didn’t read the part where I said my family comes first? By the way, I thought individualism was supposed to be the height of conservatism?

If you don’t look out for “number one” you are making the mistake that someone else will look out you. No, thank you.

I am important to myself becasue with out myself I don’t exist and all else becomes irrelevant. After my needs are met and satisfied then I can worry about those around me. You should be your own ISM.

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[quote]jumper wrote:
Thank God these guys didn’t think putting ones country before ones “self” was irrational!!!
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If you want to wax rhetoric with me I can go all day…

No wars ever fought have been fought for “my country”. If this country turned to a dictatorship would you still be patriotic to the nation would you still be fighting for “your country”?

Patriotism is all just silly non-sense word games. What would I be fighting for as a patriot? The land? The government? the culture and values? These things change…that’s a fact. I’m not going to let the propaganda spewed by some elected politician affect me emotionally. We aren’t sheep.

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[quote]jumper wrote:
“Being patriotic means you put your country before your self and everything associated with the self. This seems irrational to me as nations are dynamic and subject to change–why would I commit myself to that?”

You are exactly right, thank God we have young men who are willing to do what you will not, put their lives in harms way for the betterment of the country. People have been willing to die for people like you for years in this country, but you put your “self” before that like many others. Thank God there are men and women who will sacrifice their lives so you can live off of the fruits of this country and bitch about it the whole time without committing your"self". I love the fact, I as well as many others, were willing to die for people like you. I am also glad someone like you isn’t fighting for our side, with your "self"ish attitude. Putting ones country above ones “self” is what makes our servicepeople the greastest and most honorable people in this country and the world for that matter. The selfless service people keeping the "self"ish people safe, as always. Maybe you should take the time to thank some of these selfless people that have went to fight the enemies of this country in your stead as well as other "self"ish peoples stead. [/quote]

Been there, done that. Now it’s me and my family. What’s so wrong with that? Don’t we live in a capitalist society where the individual is king?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Just when I was starting to give you a little credit, you go and do something stupid like that. What the hell DO you believe in?

Loving one’s country is fine but to put an ism on it turns it into dogmatic thinking which leads to the situations we are fighting against currently.

There is no one definition for patriotism–how does one express the feelings one has for something as large and abstract as the USA and is there only one way to do this. I love my country like I love my job. It has it’s good points and its bad and I would quickly turn my back on it if I felt it was doing me or my family harm. Being patriotic means you put your country before your self and everything associated with the self. This seems irrational to me as nations are dynamic and subject to change–why would I commit myself to that?

Looking out for #1. No wonder you didn’t like the Marines. You are really mixed up. You are the most important thing in your universe. That’s sad.

You didn’t read the part where I said my family comes first? By the way, I thought individualism was supposed to be the height of conservatism?

If you don’t look out for “number one” you are making the mistake that someone else will look out you. No, thank you.

I am important to myself becasue with out myself I don’t exist and all else becomes irrelevant. After my needs are met and satisfied then I can worry about those around me. You should be your own ISM.[/quote]

“I am important to myself becasue with out myself I don’t exist and all else becomes irrelevant. After my needs are met and satisfied then I can worry about those around me. You should be your own ISM”

Translation: I am a selfish sponge who has no problem taking advantage of everything this country has to offer for free, and give nothing in return. It’s all about ME, ME, ME.

I respect your prior military service, but you are selfish. How can you even thing about criticizing national defense policy when all you care about is you?

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Just when I was starting to give you a little credit, you go and do something stupid like that. What the hell DO you believe in?

Loving one’s country is fine but to put an ism on it turns it into dogmatic thinking which leads to the situations we are fighting against currently.

There is no one definition for patriotism–how does one express the feelings one has for something as large and abstract as the USA and is there only one way to do this. I love my country like I love my job. It has it’s good points and its bad and I would quickly turn my back on it if I felt it was doing me or my family harm. Being patriotic means you put your country before your self and everything associated with the self. This seems irrational to me as nations are dynamic and subject to change–why would I commit myself to that?

Looking out for #1. No wonder you didn’t like the Marines. You are really mixed up. You are the most important thing in your universe. That’s sad.

You didn’t read the part where I said my family comes first? By the way, I thought individualism was supposed to be the height of conservatism?

If you don’t look out for “number one” you are making the mistake that someone else will look out you. No, thank you.

I am important to myself becasue with out myself I don’t exist and all else becomes irrelevant. After my needs are met and satisfied then I can worry about those around me. You should be your own ISM.

“I am important to myself becasue with out myself I don’t exist and all else becomes irrelevant. After my needs are met and satisfied then I can worry about those around me. You should be your own ISM”

Translation: I am a selfish sponge who has no problem taking advantage of everything this country has to offer for free, and give nothing in return. It’s all about ME, ME, ME.

I respect your prior military service, but you are selfish. How can you even thing about criticizing national defense policy when all you care about is you?

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Keep making yourself feeel better you dirty ape, You fought well for you’re country. Now step down, take a breather. Start a good book. Just so you know if you have children they will be trying to clean up the mess daddy did.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Translation: I am a selfish sponge who has no problem taking advantage of everything this country has to offer for free, and give nothing in return. It’s all about ME, ME, ME.

I respect your prior military service, but you are selfish. How can you even thing about criticizing national defense policy when all you care about is you?

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Who said all I care about is me? I don’t care about alot of things in this country but to call me selfish because I’m not constantly thinking about…whatever…is kind of lame.

I volunteer my hours to causes I feel worthy. I am a big-brother. I have worked in soup kitchens feeding our forgotten veterans. I tutor “underprivileged” math students in an after school program my wife works in (non-profit)…so yes I am selfish.

I think I should re-enlist so I can give back to “my country” that I so desperately “love” and have ripped-off.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
I love actors. They somehow make the mistake that we give a fuck about thier opinions. I don’t give a damn what their politics are. They just need to act and shut the fuck up. [/quote]

No one wants to “just shut the fuck up”. Look at yourself.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Looking out for #1. No wonder you didn’t like the Marines. You are really mixed up. You are the most important thing in your universe. That’s sad. [/quote]

Every single person alive is the most important thing in his own “universe”.

Altruism and selflessness do not exist.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Every single person alive is the most important thing in his own “universe”.

Altruism and selflessness do not exist.
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You are absolutely right. People only do good because it makes them “feel” good.

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We act on Feelings and Instinct

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Translation: I am a selfish sponge who has no problem taking advantage of everything this country has to offer for free, and give nothing in return. It’s all about ME, ME, ME.

I respect your prior military service, but you are selfish. How can you even thing about criticizing national defense policy when all you care about is you?

Who said all I care about is me? I don’t care about alot of things in this country but to call me selfish because I’m not constantly thinking about…whatever…is kind of lame.

I volunteer my hours to causes I feel worthy. I am a big-brother. I have worked in soup kitchens feeding our forgotten veterans. I tutor “underprivileged” math students in an after school program my wife works in (non-profit)…so yes I am selfish.

I think I should re-enlist so I can give back to “my country” that I so desperately “love” and have ripped-off.[/quote]

You are full of shit.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Every single person alive is the most important thing in his own “universe”.

Altruism and selflessness do not exist.

You are absolutely right. People only do good because it makes them “feel” good.
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Corporal Jason Dunham just won the Medal of Honor for jumping on a grenade in Iraq and saving the lives of several other Marines. He died. Did that make him feel good? Self sacrafice. You are self-important.

You are selfish. Your statement says it all.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Looking out for #1. No wonder you didn’t like the Marines. You are really mixed up. You are the most important thing in your universe. That’s sad.

Every single person alive is the most important thing in his own “universe”.

Altruism and selflessness do not exist.[/quote]

What kind of pseudo-intellectual bullshit is that? That may be true for yourself, but don’t even think for a minute it applies to everyone. Tell that to a fireman who runs into burning buildings to save people. Tell that to a corpsman or medic who exposes himself to enemy fire to render aid to a fallen comrad.

You and liftus-stupidus are, without a doubt, the most selfish, childish, simplemended people on this forum. Every thread you two write only further magnifies your ignorance.

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:
We act on Feelings and Instinct[/quote]

Oh, crap. Now we have the perfect trifecta of idiocy: ssn, NomPro, and liftus.

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Oh you talking O.k Computer. Thanks for the Freedom by the way

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[quote]jumper wrote:
Maybe we should clarify- The America hating actors that embolden the enemy by giving them aid and comfort, such as Jane Fonda, Charlie Sheen, Susan Sarandon, and Tim Robbins. You know the ones, the commies that hate America. They are the retards we are talking about, not the patriotic actors. Yes there are exceptions to every rule, Reagan, John Wayne, and Arnie are patriots that love this country. [/quote]

I agree.

If you love freedom and democracy, you agree with Bush.
If you don’t, you should simply shut up ! ! !

Why don’t these morans get that. It’s simple enough isn’t it?

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Every single person alive is the most important thing in his own “universe”.

Altruism and selflessness do not exist.

You are absolutely right. People only do good because it makes them “feel” good.

Corporal Jason Dunham just won the Medal of Honor for jumping on a grenade in Iraq and saving the lives of several other Marines. He died. Did that make him feel good? Self sacrafice. You are self-important.

You are selfish. Your statement says it all.

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He jumped because he is a trained robot full of sentimentally phrased brainwashing. That?s all we got put into our heads in bootcamp–how to be a hero by jumping on a grenade to save some chump gunny’s ass. Are we supposed to get all teary-eyed because some poor corporal made a decision to die for a cause that may or may not have been relevant?

All people are self important. Otherwise why live? I do what I feel to be good because it fulfils the biological need satiate my ego.

All humans do this. It is part of our biology. It is called self preservation and our push for survival dictates it. Don’t be a victim of your biology. Embrace it.

This is not to say the individual is the only important entity. We exist as social beings so we have to reconcile our individuality with the community we exist in. We could no more survive as individuals as we could if we relied on others to breathe for us.

This being said, quit spouting meaningless rhetoric to braindead internet posters. The whole of existance doesn’t rotate aound the US military–especially one corporal out of over half a million dead.

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I guess you all know there was an investigation into the Iraq pre-war intelligence. The investigation revealed there was data mining and filtering to support the invasion.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I agree.

If you love freedom and democracy, you agree with Bush.
If you don’t, you should simply shut up ! ! !

Why don’t these morans get that. It’s simple enough isn’t it?[/quote]

Well, how does it feel to find your opinion in the minority of opinions in the US?

Or did you fail to realize the majority of Americans do not agree with bush?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Every single person alive is the most important thing in his own “universe”.

Altruism and selflessness do not exist.

You are absolutely right. People only do good because it makes them “feel” good.

Corporal Jason Dunham just won the Medal of Honor for jumping on a grenade in Iraq and saving the lives of several other Marines. He died. Did that make him feel good? Self sacrafice. You are self-important.

You are selfish. Your statement says it all.

He jumped because he is a trained robot full of sentimentally phrased brainwashing. That?s all we got put into our heads in bootcamp–how to be a hero by jumping on a grenade to save some chump gunny’s ass. Are we supposed to get all teary-eyed because some poor corporal made a decision to die for a cause that may or may not have been relevant?

All people are self important. Otherwise why live? I do what I feel to be good because it fulfils the biological need satiate my ego.

All humans do this. It is part of our biology. It is called self preservation and our push for survival dictates it. Don’t be a victim of your biology. Embrace it.

This is not to say the individual is the only important entity. We exist as social beings so we have to reconcile our individuality with the community we exist in. We could no more survive as individuals as we could if we relied on others to breathe for us.

This being said, quit spouting meaningless rhetoric to braindead internet posters. The whole of existance doesn’t rotate aound the US military–especially one corporal out of over half a million dead. [/quote]

How do you say he was a trained robot? I was in the USMC in 1970, stayed stateside, but in 2nd Force Recon at Camp Gieger, and never remember anyone telling me to dive on a grenade, in bootcamp or Recon. That’s just bullshit. It sure as hell isn’t an easy thing to do or there would probably be 5 or 6 guys on the pile. So it takes balls. He didn’t die for a cause asshole, he died so his other friends wouldn’t. Split second decision and he did it. I guess if he was practicing “social individuality” he would have let the whole group possibly die. He opted to give his life so some jerkoff like you, had you had the balls to go, could live his. The more I read your post the more I’d like to put a few inches of my penis in you ass.

I think his need to fulfill his “biological needs and satiate his ego” far exceed yours, dickhead.

I can’t believe you can trash talk this guy. Do you really believe half the crap you post?