Duck Dynasty: Beginning of the End?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]JCMPG wrote:
From what I had read previously Phil Robertson wanted out after this season anyways, I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt. I do watch the show and my beliefs are very similar to Mr. Robertson’s. If people would read the whole of what he said there was absolutely no reason for everyone to get their panties in a wad, but just like everything else that goes one we here what we want to here and we read what we want to read.

Come on people open up your damn minds, not everyone thinks the same way. We all have the right to our own opinions and have the right to speak them, especially when asked. It just so happens that he hit directly on two hot buttons that the media likes to blow out proportion.[/quote]

He expressed his opinions, and others expressed theirs. He has a right to his opinion, but no right to be free from the reactions his opinions cause in others. The government didn’t step in and squelch either side of the debate. This is exactly how free speech is supposed to work. If he is worried that his opinions might piss people off, he also has the right to shut the fuck up and not state them at all during an interview on TV.[/quote]

I agree with you, Jack, that the government intervention angle is not present. So what? It’s still “word police” stupidity and…reverse “intolerance.”
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I personally don’t care what this guy says or thinks and his opinions won’t make me watch or not watch the show. But it is a hot-button issue and he is a public figure. If he wants to jump in the fire because he believes in his cause, good for him, but I wouldn’t expect jumping into that fire to be consequence free. In the same way, if I was a public figure and expressed views openly hostile to Christianity, I wouldn’t expect masses of Christians to suddenly preach tolerance and beg people to watch my show in the interest of free speech. To the contrary, I’d expect an organized boycott from the Christian right. That’s just the way it works.

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Yep, I agree, but are you failing to see the intolerant tolerance at play here? Do you see the hypocrisy?[/quote]

I see the hypocrisy as about the same on both sides, if that is what you want to label pushing an agenda. Glaad is a political group with acceptance of gays as the goal, not “tolerance” of an anti-gay message. In the same way I see the Christian Coalition as a political group with the acceptance of Christian values as their goal. Neither sides’ goal is “tolerance” unless that is the best they can get. Either side would gladly stamp out the other if they had enough power.

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In a Interview with Parade Magazine back in July Phil stated that he would not be apart of Duck Dynasty much longer, but it would go on without him. Any body see the parallel here?

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]JCMPG wrote:
From what I had read previously Phil Robertson wanted out after this season anyways, I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt. I do watch the show and my beliefs are very similar to Mr. Robertson’s. If people would read the whole of what he said there was absolutely no reason for everyone to get their panties in a wad, but just like everything else that goes one we here what we want to here and we read what we want to read.

Come on people open up your damn minds, not everyone thinks the same way. We all have the right to our own opinions and have the right to speak them, especially when asked. It just so happens that he hit directly on two hot buttons that the media likes to blow out proportion.[/quote]

He expressed his opinions, and others expressed theirs. He has a right to his opinion, but no right to be free from the reactions his opinions cause in others. The government didn’t step in and squelch either side of the debate. This is exactly how free speech is supposed to work. If he is worried that his opinions might piss people off, he also has the right to shut the fuck up and not state them at all during an interview on TV.[/quote]

I agree with you, Jack, that the government intervention angle is not present. So what? It’s still “word police” stupidity and…reverse “intolerance.”
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I personally don’t care what this guy says or thinks and his opinions won’t make me watch or not watch the show. But it is a hot-button issue and he is a public figure. If he wants to jump in the fire because he believes in his cause, good for him, but I wouldn’t expect jumping into that fire to be consequence free. In the same way, if I was a public figure and expressed views openly hostile to Christianity, I wouldn’t expect masses of Christians to suddenly preach tolerance and beg people to watch my show in the interest of free speech. To the contrary, I’d expect an organized boycott from the Christian right. That’s just the way it works.

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I think you make some incorrect assumptions. First, there is separation of act from person you seem to be missing. If anything what he said was (according to his beliefs) pro gay. He means to help homosexuals to the joy he has. That is not anti-homosexual the person, itâ??s actually the opposite. To call him anti-gay you are first assuming that his beliefs are wrong and yoursâ?? are right about what is best. You are begging the question. And even if that were assumed true, as long as he believes what he’s saying his intent is still pro-gay which at worst could make him mistaken, not antagonist.

There is also a large divide between expressing Christians as a group and expressing homosexuals as a group. Homosexual people aren’t a group in the same way Christians are. There is no common proclaimed belief structure or personality or anything and actually to imply such is stereotyping. Even to do what GLAAD does and speak out for homosexuals as a voice is stereotyping. Might they not consider that there are plenty of homosexuals (in both attitude and/or act) out there who are Christians and agree with him? GLAAD, for these gay people and for Christians who believe it a sin and a barrier to ultimate joy , is anti-gay. GLAAD, from this view is content to aid society in preventing homosexuals from reaching salvation and ultimate joy.

People in the modern world are so locked into their views on certain issues they’ve lost all ability to even imagine the logical ramifications of the realization that not only could there be absolute Truth, but that they might be wrong about it. Lost in all this discussion is the only thing that actually matters, the Truth. It no longer matters if something is True and what if True the consequences entail. All people today see are the personal “truths” they create for themselves and how those make them feel. You see it in the news channels we choose to watch. You see it in the way people choose a church to attend. We’ve been lead to seek justification and then make believe it’s knowledge.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]JCMPG wrote:
From what I had read previously Phil Robertson wanted out after this season anyways, I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt. I do watch the show and my beliefs are very similar to Mr. Robertson’s. If people would read the whole of what he said there was absolutely no reason for everyone to get their panties in a wad, but just like everything else that goes one we here what we want to here and we read what we want to read.

Come on people open up your damn minds, not everyone thinks the same way. We all have the right to our own opinions and have the right to speak them, especially when asked. It just so happens that he hit directly on two hot buttons that the media likes to blow out proportion.[/quote]

He expressed his opinions, and others expressed theirs. He has a right to his opinion, but no right to be free from the reactions his opinions cause in others. The government didn’t step in and squelch either side of the debate. This is exactly how free speech is supposed to work. If he is worried that his opinions might piss people off, he also has the right to shut the fuck up and not state them at all during an interview on TV.[/quote]

I agree with you, Jack, that the government intervention angle is not present. So what? It’s still “word police” stupidity and…reverse “intolerance.”
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I personally don’t care what this guy says or thinks and his opinions won’t make me watch or not watch the show. But it is a hot-button issue and he is a public figure. If he wants to jump in the fire because he believes in his cause, good for him, but I wouldn’t expect jumping into that fire to be consequence free. In the same way, if I was a public figure and expressed views openly hostile to Christianity, I wouldn’t expect masses of Christians to suddenly preach tolerance and beg people to watch my show in the interest of free speech. To the contrary, I’d expect an organized boycott from the Christian right. That’s just the way it works.

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There is also a large divide between expressing Christians as a group and expressing homosexuals as a group. Homosexual people aren’t a group in the same way Christians are.

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I’ve seen the debates in PWI between Christians and as an outsider observer I’d never know they are all Christians and all part of the same belief system if they didn’t all claim to be Christians and part of the same group. Anytime you have a “group” of people there are assumptions of coherence that have to made are we couldn’t even have a discussion, but there is always going to be dissent, divergent views, and differences of opinion within the group.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]JCMPG wrote:
From what I had read previously Phil Robertson wanted out after this season anyways, I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt. I do watch the show and my beliefs are very similar to Mr. Robertson’s. If people would read the whole of what he said there was absolutely no reason for everyone to get their panties in a wad, but just like everything else that goes one we here what we want to here and we read what we want to read.

Come on people open up your damn minds, not everyone thinks the same way. We all have the right to our own opinions and have the right to speak them, especially when asked. It just so happens that he hit directly on two hot buttons that the media likes to blow out proportion.[/quote]

He expressed his opinions, and others expressed theirs. He has a right to his opinion, but no right to be free from the reactions his opinions cause in others. The government didn’t step in and squelch either side of the debate. This is exactly how free speech is supposed to work. If he is worried that his opinions might piss people off, he also has the right to shut the fuck up and not state them at all during an interview on TV.[/quote]

I agree with you, Jack, that the government intervention angle is not present. So what? It’s still “word police” stupidity and…reverse “intolerance.”
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Push, I’m smelling a little Chomsky here. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently.

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Are you trying to be ironic?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Followup article to the one I mentioned a couple posts up:

You Will be Made to Care:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/you-will-be-made-to-care/[/quote]

He also stated…
In a quote that may raise even more eyebrows than his feelings about gays, Robertson claims he “never” saw black people mistreated during the pre-civil rights era in his home state, and strongly suggests that African Americans were more content under Jim Crow.

“Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash,” he said. “They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, â??I tell you what: These doggone white peopleâ??â??not a word!.. Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Considering I are a Negro, I am glad you were “made to care” about Jim Crow laws.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]JCMPG wrote:
From what I had read previously Phil Robertson wanted out after this season anyways, I think this whole thing is a publicity stunt. I do watch the show and my beliefs are very similar to Mr. Robertson’s. If people would read the whole of what he said there was absolutely no reason for everyone to get their panties in a wad, but just like everything else that goes one we here what we want to here and we read what we want to read.

Come on people open up your damn minds, not everyone thinks the same way. We all have the right to our own opinions and have the right to speak them, especially when asked. It just so happens that he hit directly on two hot buttons that the media likes to blow out proportion.[/quote]

He expressed his opinions, and others expressed theirs. He has a right to his opinion, but no right to be free from the reactions his opinions cause in others. The government didn’t step in and squelch either side of the debate. This is exactly how free speech is supposed to work. If he is worried that his opinions might piss people off, he also has the right to shut the fuck up and not state them at all during an interview on TV.[/quote]

I agree with you, Jack, that the government intervention angle is not present. So what? It’s still “word police” stupidity and…reverse “intolerance.”
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I personally don’t care what this guy says or thinks and his opinions won’t make me watch or not watch the show. But it is a hot-button issue and he is a public figure. If he wants to jump in the fire because he believes in his cause, good for him, but I wouldn’t expect jumping into that fire to be consequence free. In the same way, if I was a public figure and expressed views openly hostile to Christianity, I wouldn’t expect masses of Christians to suddenly preach tolerance and beg people to watch my show in the interest of free speech. To the contrary, I’d expect an organized boycott from the Christian right. That’s just the way it works.

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There is also a large divide between expressing Christians as a group and expressing homosexuals as a group. Homosexual people aren’t a group in the same way Christians are.

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I’ve seen the debates in PWI between Christians and as an outsider observer I’d never know they are all Christians and all part of the same belief system if they didn’t all claim to be Christians and part of the same group. Anytime you have a “group” of people there are assumptions of coherence that have to made are we couldn’t even have a discussion, but there is always going to be dissent, divergent views, and differences of opinion within the group. [/quote]

I’d say there are semantics involved there, people having different definitions for a thing doesn’t mean there isn’t such a thing. But that’s not to my point.

And if anyone should be, shouldn’t GLAAD be responsive and understanding of the minority view?

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently.

Just more radical intolerance from the radical christain right.[/quote]

You’re so radically tolerant you’re now radically calling for his death?

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently. [/quote]

So you should be able to have parades and such, shouting your views from the mountaintops.

And he should not be able to express his?

Tolerance at it’s finest.

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[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

The goofy part that I’ll probably never understand is equating homosexuality with bestiality. I know a good handful of gays and none of them go outside of species. Hell, they don’t even go outside of their own gender.

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You missed it; he classified it as a sin along with other sins.
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You missed it, it was a joke.

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[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Followup article to the one I mentioned a couple posts up:

You Will be Made to Care:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/you-will-be-made-to-care/[/quote]

He also stated…
In a quote that may raise even more eyebrows than his feelings about gays, Robertson claims he “never” saw black people mistreated during the pre-civil rights era in his home state, and strongly suggests that African Americans were more content under Jim Crow.

“Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash,” he said. “They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, â??I tell you what: These doggone white peopleâ??â??not a word!.. Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

Considering I are a Negro, I am glad you were “made to care” about Jim Crow laws.[/quote]

A large part of Christian tradition is that persecuted people are blessed. BUT in no way is persecution condoned by such a statement. There are plenty of examples in the bible of the world and the individual being bettered by slavery.

There is a dichotomy in Christianity (and most people) about the poor. The poor are considered blessed and the rich burdened, but at the same time it is every Christianâ??s duty to remove the condition of being poor. Coincidentally, you see the same thing in liberal politics. They fight for the poor whom they glorify as blessed and hard working and better than the evil rich, by trying to turn the poor into rich. The difference is that there can be resolution of those beliefs in Christianity because there is an afterlife that can justify and balance both.

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[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently.

[/quote]

Are you trying to be ironic?[/quote]

I wasn’t trying to be. Turned out that way though

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he said some shit that would make him more famous?

GASP I WONDER WHY

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[quote]sen say wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
What you really mean is they preach tolerance for only people or things that agree with them, which is exactly the same as what they people they label “intolerant” do. Pretty much everyone ever is tolerant of people who agree with them. In what sense then are they any more in favor of tolerance than anyone else?
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Bingo.

Here’s the thing…liberals and atheists HATE Christianity and therefore anything Christmas that has to do with Christ. So…you get a HUGE fucking atheist exhibit in the middle of times square telling everyone how Christmas is for idiots,etc…does the media complain? No.

You get a guy saying homosexuality is wrong everyone loses their minds.

You see…liberals see gays as fun and playful stereotypes…they see Christians as out of touch losers. They’re the “fun police”. They get to decide what’s fun. They’ve decided the religious aspects of Christmas aren’t fun.

And this is from an atheist NOT an agnostic. Either believe or don’t.[/quote]

Damn Sen, I always liked you before but now I really do–perfectly said.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently.

Just more radical intolerance from the radical christain right.[/quote]

You’re so radically tolerant you’re now radically calling for his death?
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No I ment from the show. I do not support killing homophobes.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently. [/quote]

So you should be able to have parades and such, shouting your views from the mountaintops.

And he should not be able to express his?

Tolerance at it’s finest.[/quote]

Don’t preach to me about tolerance. You biggot supporter

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[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
I’ve decided not to shave until Phil is back on the show.

But you guys are gonna have to tell me when that is, on account of I don’t actually watch it.[/quote]

LOL. I like it.

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I can’t believe the people in this thread. This guy is a biggot and needs to be terminated permanently. [/quote]

So you should be able to have parades and such, shouting your views from the mountaintops.

And he should not be able to express his?

Tolerance at it’s finest.[/quote]

Don’t preach to me about tolerance. You biggot supporter[/quote]

The liberal playbook…you could have substituted racist just as easily.

That’s what you do when somebody does something you don’t agree with.

And for the record I have no problem with gay marriage…I have a problem with double standards.