[quote]edmontonalberta wrote:
Weren’t all the universities in Europe started by churchmen or the church? And didn’t these places further medicine and science?
Also wasn’t the dark ages more so about society in the Western Roman Empire collapsing with all of the invasions,famine and plague? I am pretty sure our technological developments would come to a stand still too. Also science never died in the Eastern Roman Empire,where Christianity was a state religion, science was always nurtured by the state, which also acted as acting head of the church. I also wonder why Europe became so advanced with such a burden as organized religion. A lot of these ideas of religion being the bane of development are just misconceptions.[/quote]
You are obviously an ignorant fundamentalist christian ultra conservative gun nut.
Getouttahere with that shit…
/sarcasm
Thanks, I’m surprised that no one has used these arguments yet. And for the record, I am unbaptized, don’t own a gun and live in “pinky” Canada.
It is hugely ignorant, and it is so cliche to use it in an argument. Don’t get me wrong, there has been some awful blemishes in the history of Christianity, to say the least. But one could always counter that these people who caused it, severely missed the point on the whole teachings of it. Like way out of the ball park. But that had to do more so with low literacy levels in Europe and people exploiting mob mentality and low intelligence.
Also up until Constantine made it a state religion, Christianity equaled pacifism. So many of the early martyrs and saints were soldiers that refused to fight after converting and were executed for it.
[quote]edmontonalberta wrote:
It is hugely ignorant, and it is so cliche to use it in an argument. Don’t get me wrong, there has been some awful blemishes in the history of Christianity, to say the least. But one could always counter that these people who caused it, severely missed the point on the whole teachings of it. Like way out of the ball park. But that had to do more so with low literacy levels in Europe and people exploiting mob mentality and low intelligence.
Also up until Constantine made it a state religion, Christianity equaled pacifism. So many of the early martyrs and saints were soldiers that refused to fight after converting and were executed for it. [/quote]
Good post man…
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]edmontonalberta wrote:
It is hugely ignorant, and it is so cliche to use it in an argument. Don’t get me wrong, there has been some awful blemishes in the history of Christianity, to say the least. But one could always counter that these people who caused it, severely missed the point on the whole teachings of it. Like way out of the ball park. But that had to do more so with low literacy levels in Europe and people exploiting mob mentality and low intelligence.
Also up until Constantine made it a state religion, Christianity equaled pacifism. So many of the early martyrs and saints were soldiers that refused to fight after converting and were executed for it. [/quote]
Good post man…[/quote]
Thanks man
[quote]Bauber wrote:
I don’t see it as shitting on them or being an issue. He just said via his religious and moral beliefs; the thinks being gay is wrong and immoral. When did that become hate?
It is. Just like saying that being black, straight or Caucasian is wrong and immoral.
He isn’t actively trying to harm or hurt gays. He simply is stating he does not agree with it.
How disgusting and disrespectful is it to hear that someone doesn’t “agree with” the way you were born. Just put yourself in a gay person’s shoes for one sec and tell me that it isn’t upsetting to hear how you’re “not right, immoral” and all that bullshit.
FYI - I am all for gay marriage and equal rights as I don’t give a flying fuck who anyone sleeps with or is attracted to. Everyone deserves to be happy, but tolerance goes both ways.
“My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.” -Phil R
I can deal with Christians like this no problem and I am agnostic as well.[/quote]
Everyone who cites the free speech argument forgets that libel and slander are not covered by it.
defamation couldn’t be applied here; only if and I copy
Allegations or imputations “injurious to another in their trade, business, or profession”
Allegations or imputations “of loathsome disease” (historically leprosy and sexually transmitted disease, now also including mental illness)
Allegations or imputations of “unchastity” (usually only in unmarried people and sometimes only in women)
Allegations or imputations of criminal activity (sometimes only crimes of moral turpitude)
What he was stating was religious belief, something he does have the right to.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]GivehertheD wrote:
Everyone who cites the free speech argument forgets that libel and slander are not covered by it.[/quote]
Uh oh, looks like the 25w light bulb just showed up.[/quote]
Move along, oldtimer!
Since this thread has deteriorated to religious debate, riddle me this:
How many Hasidic Rebbes does it take to change a light bulb?
A: What is a light bulb?
[quote]GivehertheD wrote:
How many Hasidic Rebbes does it take to change a light bulb?
[/quote]
A: Change?