Duck Dynasty: Beginning of the End?

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Then explains the hundreds of years of people being persecuted and horrifically hurt and killed due to religion.

Can you scroll through any of these and tell me if there are any that are not true?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html[/quote]

1-6 are acts carried out by God. All are biblical events, some involving animal sacrifice ( which aren’t people). Since atheists do not believe in the existence of God, religion or the bible, all of those events must be fictional and cannot be used to support your argument…

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
A lot of atrocities were done under political systems, but they have nothing to do with political systems.
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
A lot of atrocities were done under political systems, but they have nothing to do with political systems.
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OMG
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I want to believe he’s just trying to stir the pot with all his posts. But I think I’m wrong.

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Poor Phil Robertson.

If only he lived in a country in which deeply religious men with long scraggly beards can condemn the abomination of homosexuality without fear of criticism or reprisal.

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Just got home from church. A lot of talk of that Jesus guy. Everyone held hands at one point. After that there were exchanges of hugs, kisses, and handshakes as signs of peace. We sang “Joy to the World.” It was a bloodbath in there.

I guess instead of seeing first hand I should read websites like christianityisforidiots.com and fuckreligion.org to form a “well reasoned” and “logical” position on organized religion. I shall henceforth ignore every ounce of good churches provide for their communities and only focus on the work of elitist power hungry assholes, all while claiming these people only exist in religion. I’ll also tell people what they believe, and when they correct me I will insist that they are wrong–because I know better than those delusional christians.

Perhaps instead I should realize that life is best lived through experience and not heavily biased text. I suppose I could shut my mouth for a while and take a catechism or two to learn the actual message of the Church, instead of making up my own. Yeah, I think I’ll do that.

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I don’t argue with religious zealots because they are guilty of almost of of the following logical fallacies when trying to form a cogent argument.: Logical fallacies, cognitive bias, disinformation, sophism, etc.

I should really stay away from this forum…I came to T-Nation for the quality lifting discussion…not to debate with people I can’t take seriously, which is surprisingly the majority of users here (gun nuts, evangelical Christians, and ultra-conservatives).

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[quote]Dangles wrote:
I don’t argue with religious zealots because they are guilty of almost of of the following logical fallacies when trying to form a cogent argument.:

Logical fallacies, cognitive bias, disinformation, sophism, etc. [/quote]

How logically fallacious is it to post a link to a stock trading website?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Dangles wrote:
I don’t argue with religious zealots because they are guilty of almost of of the following logical fallacies when trying to form a cogent argument.: Logical fallacies, cognitive bias, disinformation, sophism, etc.

I should really stay away from this forum…I came to T-Nation for the quality lifting discussion…not to debate with people I can’t take seriously, which is surprisingly the majority of users here (gun nuts, evangelical Christians, and ultra-conservatives).[/quote]

Ahhh…another intellectually advanced 20 year old student. Good to have you here, Voltaire Jr. Please diligently endeavor to enlighten the crude peasant masses. Please.

And while you’re at it see if you can’t learn to eat more and lift heavier, little guy.

Merry Christmas.[/quote]

Maybe you should look up red herring. According to you, it’s obviously impossible for a young adult to be well travelled or well read, especially given the proliferation of the internet, education and the ease at which one can travel.
Also, you have not replied with anything. All you’ve done is talk like some old broken record going “har har dem youngins”.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Why does no one believe in Zeus, Minerva, or Fujin anymore? [/quote]

Actually, a pretty good number of people believe in Fujin, and Tenjin, and Amaterasu. The Japanese are, as a race, some of the most atheistic and scientific (I won’t say “rational”, because I was married to one) folks around, but they get verrrrry touchy if you suggest that their native gods don’t exist. You can choose to believe in Jesus, or choose to follow the teachings of Buddha, but the Shinto gods are an incontrovertible fact if you happen to have been born Japanese.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, would think of opening a business or building a new house without making the proper propitiations to the deities: shrines to the various kami are found in the tiniest village and the biggest cities. And a friend of mine–a very well-educated, successful business man, married to an American woman–swears that he saw an apparition of Konohanasakuya-hime (the goddess of Mt. Fuji) standing in the clouds atop a black dragon when his plane passed over the mountain.

The gods are quite real in Japan. At least as real as Jesus and Yahweh and Allah are to Christians and Jews and Muslims, and in a way which is hard to put one’s finger on, perhaps even a bit more so. [/quote]

Do you believe your friend actually saw Konohanasakuya-hime? And if not, why not?

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I think everyone was hoping you would explain your political systems comment. Unless you’re going to red herring away from that.

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Damn, a retard that doesn’t know what a red herring is.

A political system is a vehicle whereby a group in power governs the functions within a society utilizing underlying ideologies.
The political systems themselves do not condone violence. This does not mean that individuals in power won’t utilize violence to maintain or instill a political system, but the nature of the political system itself is not necessarily violent. Whereas in Christianity or Islam, violence is encouraged towards sinners/blasphemers.

For example, democracy, at its roots, is not about violence but about equality and freedom, yet it doesn’t mean that people haven’t used violence or intimidation while under the banner of democracy. Again, this does not mean democracy in and of itself is a violent political system, just that the individuals are. This holds true for several political systems (like communism), hence the point that there is a difference between political individuals who utilized violence to further their agenda, and religious individuals who used violence as per the teachings of the bible/quran.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Damn, a retard that doesn’t know what a red herring is.
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“Unless you’re going to red herring away from that”
There’s not enough context there for you to determine whether or not I know what a red herring is. I do. “Going to” means I thought you might, in the future, blow it off and try to divert people’s attention from your statement. And besides it was primarily just a reference to your last post as a call out. It worked.

If you want people to not blow you off as an idiot because of your age, then don’t pretend to be so obtuse. It’s unbecoming.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
in Christianity or Islam, violence is encouraged towards sinners/blasphemers.
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In your experience are modern Christians generally violent people?

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Why does no one believe in Zeus, Minerva, or Fujin anymore? [/quote]

Actually, a pretty good number of people believe in Fujin, and Tenjin, and Amaterasu. The Japanese are, as a race, some of the most atheistic and scientific (I won’t say “rational”, because I was married to one) folks around, but they get verrrrry touchy if you suggest that their native gods don’t exist. You can choose to believe in Jesus, or choose to follow the teachings of Buddha, but the Shinto gods are an incontrovertible fact if you happen to have been born Japanese.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, would think of opening a business or building a new house without making the proper propitiations to the deities: shrines to the various kami are found in the tiniest village and the biggest cities. And a friend of mine–a very well-educated, successful business man, married to an American woman–swears that he saw an apparition of Konohanasakuya-hime (the goddess of Mt. Fuji) standing in the clouds atop a black dragon when his plane passed over the mountain.

The gods are quite real in Japan. At least as real as Jesus and Yahweh and Allah are to Christians and Jews and Muslims, and in a way which is hard to put one’s finger on, perhaps even a bit more so. [/quote]

Do you believe your friend actually saw Konohanasakuya-hime? And if not, why not?[/quote]

Do I believe he actually saw her? Sure. Just as I believe that Joseph Smith actually saw the angel Moroni, Muhammad actually saw the angel Gabriel, Paul actually saw Jesus, and Moses actually saw the burning bush.

I believe that all of these people saw what they saw.

Do I believe that what they saw was “real”?

That is a whole different question.

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Aliens

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

Whereas in Christianity…violence is encouraged towards sinners/blasphemers.

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Cite references.
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

Whereas in Christianity…violence is encouraged towards sinners/blasphemers.

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Cite references.
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They’ve been cited already in this thread. I will use a publicly available bible, and go through it myself, without looking up anything online, and post chapter and verse of these references. I am not going to go through the whole bible, but I’ll be skimming through it. I will also not post every little thing that leads to death, only the more obvious ones. Also, anything involving beatings, torture, or whatever, I will not post.

I will be using King James Bible:

Hit your parents, you die: Exodus 21:15:
“And he that smiteth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.”

Stealing and selling what you sold, or being caught stealing? Death: Exodus 21:16:
“And he that stealeth a man and selleth him, or if he shall be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.”

Curse your parents: Exodus 21:17:
“And he that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.”

Kill witches: Exodus 22:18
â??Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".

Fucking animals leads to death: Exodus 22:19:
"â??Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

Defiling sabbath means you die: Exodus 31:14:
“Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore, for it is holy unto you. Every one who defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.”

Working on sabbath means you die: Exodus 31:15:
“Six days may work be done, but on the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whosoever doeth any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

Just incase you missed it, working on sabbath means you die: Exodus 35:2:
“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be for you a holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.”

Again, being bad towards your parents leads to death: Leviticus 20:9:
“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death. He hath cursed his father or his mother: his blood shall be upon him.”

Adultery leads to death: Leviticus 20:10:
“And the man that committeth adultery with another manâ??s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighborâ??s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”

Sex with your dad’s wife leads to death: Leviticus 20:11:
“And the man that lieth with his fatherâ??s wife hath uncovered his fatherâ??s nakedness. Both of them shall surely be put to death: their blood shall be upon them.”

Sex with daughter in law: Leviticus 20:12:
“And if a man lie with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have wrought confusion: their blood shall be upon them.”

Death to homosexuals: Leviticus 20:13:
“If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death: their blood shall be upon them.”

Fuck wife and her mother, everyone burns: Leviticus 20:14:
“And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there be no wickedness among you.”

Guy bangs animal, kill guy and animal: Leviticus 20:15:
“And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death; and ye shall slay the beast”.

Death to Harry Potter and stuff: Leviticus 20:27:
“A man also or woman who hath a familiar spirit, or who is a wizard, shall surely be put to death. They shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them”.

BLASPHEMY or taking God’s name in vain means death:Leviticus 24:16:
“And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. As well the stranger as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death”.

Killing a man: Leviticus 24:17:
“And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death”.

Worshiping anything that has nothing to do with God means death: Leviticus 27:29:
“None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed, but shall surely be put to death”.

If you come close to the Levite’s pitched tent, you die: Leviticus 21:51:
“And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up; and the stranger who cometh nigh shall be put to death”.

Going against God’s commandments is death: Joshua 21:18:
“Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment and will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall be put to death. Only be strong and of a good courage”.

Kill people for poorly sacrificing to God: Deuteronomy 17:5:
“Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman who has committed that wicked thing unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones till they die”.